Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher (part 1)

[Maddogm]

The guy was All Australian last year.

The overreactions are insane but strangely not surprising for our fan base.

Drop Daniher.

******* lol. I'm cancelling my flight back, you plebs dont deserve to have my IQ propping the nation average up.

If I ever cancel my membership, it'll have nothing to do with our on field performance. It'll be because too many in our fan base are complete ****ing morons and I don't want to be associated with them any more.

 

[Howard Moon]

If I ever cancel my membership, it'll have nothing to do with our on field performance. It'll be because too many in our fan base are complete ******* morons and I don't want to be associated with them any more.

You think any fanbase is different?

You are in a footy demographic! ..it takes a certain type

 

[DallasCrane316]

I do think Daniher is carrying an injury (I think the rumour is OP?). If so, I’d rather they give him time and rest.

 

[dnbassador]

Funny thing is he had a career high possession count yesterday 22 but the problem was 10 were clangers [emoji23]

 

[JayJ20]

So because he made some errors his workrate was down? That's just plainly incorrect.

His work rate in getting to the ball wasn't necessarily down, but his effort was. Attitude was not great either. Daniher of 2017 would've smashed Collingwood with 22 disposals.

 

[JayJ20]

Firstly, he’s a A-grader. He’s a very, very good player. He’s a reigning All Australian forward five games into his next season.

Yes he’s not playing like it at this very minute, but you don’t drop your absolute stars after a few games in a form slump, because they’re good enough to play themselves back into form at senior level, and can do it very quickly.

Secondly, as a gun forward he continues to provide headaches for the opposition. I guarantee you their best defender will continue to go to him every week. If we drop him and bring in - I don’t even know who - then what? That defender goes to Stewart and affects his output?

Thirdly, he’s a forward. He’s not in form but AFL footy is won and lost so comprehensively in the middle. Defenders and forwards have a very tough time when you’re getting beaten in there.... it’d be hard for any forward to look good for us in a game like yesterday. That makes him look worse than he’s actually going.

He’s not getting dropped, it’s a stupid suggestion.

Being down on form is one thing. Attitude and effort however is another. That's non-negotiable.

Merrett has not been in the best form and no one is suggesting to drop him.

Walla hasn't been too great this year but I don't suggest he should be dropped either.

The thing that inclines me to drop Daniher as a statement is that he is taking it as a joke. Blazing kicks out on the full from 70m out, mucking around with it. This directly hurts the team. It makes him more of a liability atm.

Don't give me the A grade AA talk. Playing nothing like an A grade. Effort not even close. If you want to see an A grade, have a look at Brown. Always gives his all, enjoys playing and takes things seriously. He actually leads his team.

Daniher isn't a star yet. You need to earn that. Buddy is a star. Daniher has the talent, but one year doesn't mean you've made it. Even if they don't actually drop him, I'm hoping that they at least have the conversation with him.

 

[ant555]

Current version of a Joe Daniher lead.

 

[Doss]

The one thing I would say is that the lack of spring in his leap compared to last year is noticeable. I can't help but think there is something not completely right physically.

Enough to rest him with? Not sure about that; players do play through ailments sometimes, and can sometimes still do so quite effectively. But something does seem a little awry.

 

[Maddogm]

The thing that inclines me to drop Daniher as a statement is that he is taking it as a joke. Blazing kicks out on the full from 70m out, mucking around with it. This directly hurts the team. It makes him more of a liability atm.

Don't give me the A grade AA talk. Playing nothing like an A grade. Effort not even close. If you want to see an A grade, have a look at Brown. Always gives his all, enjoys playing and takes things seriously. He actually leads his team.

Daniher isn't a star yet. You need to earn that. Buddy is a star. Daniher has the talent, but one year doesn't mean you've made it. Even if they don't actually drop him, I'm hoping that they at least have the conversation with him.

*yawn*

The whole Joe enjoys the game therefore he doesn't take it seriously is a ****ing joke.
Barrett once ran with it, that alone tells you how inanely stupid a suggestion it is.

 

[JayJ20]

*yawn*

The whole Joe enjoys the game therefore he doesn't take it seriously is a ******* joke.
Barrett once ran with it, that alone tells you how inanely stupid a suggestion it is.

You don't take it seriously when you blaze it out on the full from a distance that isn't within range instead of looking for a better target.

Enjoying the game isn't a problem. It's his actions that tell me he isn't taking it seriously.

 

[Doss]

You don't take it seriously when you blaze it out on the full from a distance that isn't within range instead of looking for a better target.

Enjoying the game isn't a problem. It's his actions that tell me he isn't taking it seriously.

It's got nothing to do with not taking it seriously. When you are low confidence the little things start to come apart at the seams. Daniher's kicking has always been his achilles heel and it's not surprising it's one of the first things to fall apart if he's feeling low on confidence or muddled.

 

[JayJ20]

It's got nothing to do with not taking it seriously. When you are low confidence the little things start to come apart at the seams. Daniher's kicking has always been his achilles heel and it's not surprising it's one of the first things to fall apart if he's feeling low on confidence or muddled.

That's true and Daniher has always been like that when he is low in confidence, but I've always found that to be only in front of goal. He still lead well, won contested situations and kicked the ball really well in other parts of the field. It was only the mental pressure in front of goal that got to him. Now it's just all parts of his game that sometimes makes me question if he wants to be out there.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Being down on form is one thing. Attitude and effort however is another. That's non-negotiable.

Merrett has not been in the best form and no one is suggesting to drop him.

Walla hasn't been too great this year but I don't suggest he should be dropped either.

The thing that inclines me to drop Daniher as a statement is that he is taking it as a joke. Blazing kicks out on the full from 70m out, mucking around with it. This directly hurts the team. It makes him more of a liability atm.

Don't give me the A grade AA talk. Playing nothing like an A grade. Effort not even close. If you want to see an A grade, have a look at Brown. Always gives his all, enjoys playing and takes things seriously. He actually leads his team.

Daniher isn't a star yet. You need to earn that. Buddy is a star. Daniher has the talent, but one year doesn't mean you've made it. Even if they don't actually drop him, I'm hoping that they at least have the conversation with him.

You asked for the rationale, I reckon that’s it.

I don’t know what makes you think he’s not putting in effort. Because he dares to crack a smile? He also had a heated argument with Goddard. That’s the opposite of a smile. Is that ok?

His long kicking for goal is a weapon. Of course he’s having long range shots, as he should and as he would have a license to do. He’s kicking poorly and is really out of form. I don’t know how that means he’s not taking it seriously. Watch the same game last year. He drilled multiple goals from outside 50 on his way to the medal. Was he taking it seriously then because he flushed them and they went through?

He is a star and one of our best players. He was one of the best key forwards in the league last year. Yes we’re five rounds in and he’s out on form.

I’d also suggest you watch the video from the coaches where they talk about how poor and slow our forward entries were, after giving the Pies ample time and opportunity to float back. Ablett Sr wouldn’t kick goals in today’s footy with that sort of service.

Yeah he’s not on Buddy’s level, you’ve got me there.

 

[JayJ20]

You asked for the rationale, I reckon that’s it.

I don’t know what makes you think he’s not putting in effort. Because he dares to crack a smile? He also had a heated argument with Goddard. That’s the opposite of a smile. Is that ok?

His long kicking for goal is a weapon. Of course he’s having long range shots, as he should and as he would have a license to do. He’s kicking poorly and is really out of form. I don’t know how that means he’s not taking it seriously. Watch the same game last year. He drilled multiple goals from outside 50 on his way to the medal. Was he taking it seriously then because he flushed them and they went through?

He is a star and one of our best players. He was one of the best key forwards in the league last year. Yes we’re five rounds in and he’s out on form.

I’d also suggest you watch the video from the coaches where they talk about how poor and slow our forward entries were, after giving the Pies ample time and opportunity to float back. Ablett Sr wouldn’t kick goals in today’s footy with that sort of service.

Yeah he’s not on Buddy’s level, you’ve got me there.

Players are not robots. I don't mind seeing a player smile and enjoy the game. It's why I like seeing Brown play. That was Daniher last year and I liked it. Daniher this year however hasn't been the same. I personally noticed it in the preseason and it's carried on right through the season. I do expect him to turn it around, hopefully this week, but let's not start saying that he's a star yet. No one is calling Brown a star of the game and he kicked more than Daniher did last year.

It's not a weapon when you do it without thinking. I don't remember a single goal all year from that and he's attempted it so many times. He's legitimately wasted so many opportunities by doing that. There's a point in time where you have to start doing the team thing instead of wanting to be the star of the show.

What made Daniher good last year is that he did the basics right and knew when to go for it. He should have some self awareness. If he is out of form, then do the team thing. We've accepted that he'll never be the most accurate player, but it's getting to the point where I want him to dish it off to someone else because I know he'll most likely miss. If he doesn't lead, doesn't win many contests, turns the ball over, kicks it out on the full so many times, then he is starting to become a liability.

Even if he took it ultra seriously, his output is nowhere near the required level at the moment. Last year he was also out of form at the start of the year, but he still did other parts of the game right. He kicked I think about 12.10 in the first 5 rounds. At the moment, he has 7.6 and probably double that OOTF. Has only one game where he registered more than 3 scores (4). It's not even the behinds that worries us anymore.

Maybe he should start with the basics again to build some form before he starts doing the long kicking for goal because he definitely needs to earn the license to do that.

 

[Highly Evolved]

So because he made some errors his workrate was down? That's just plainly incorrect.

I genuinely think he is carrying something minor. He hasn't moved as freely as we were seeing last year, his leap seems affected, field kicking is poorer and he is pulling up short sooner.

If he isn't carrying a niggle then his attitude is very poor. If Goddard's sprays are toxic then this cbf attitude is surely just as bad.

He does have a high workrate, I won't argue that, but very little defensive effort this year.

I like Joe and I wouldn't be dropping him for a laugh.

(PS. I know this particular comment wasn't directed at my post, but it sums up the theme of the other side of the argument pretty well).

 

[Snake Charmer]

He needs a bag of 5-6 asap and all the media shit will go away. He's low on confidence it's pretty clear. The midfields skills have been some of worst I can remember so that doesn't help.

If we think we need to drop him, Hurley, Hep, Hooker and Zerrrtt might aswel go to. You don't drop super stars

 

[zahoorahkis]

Improved this week. Only 1/3 of his possessions were clangers. Onwards and upwards.

 

[Donakebab]

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

 

[Despair]

How badly would Daniher have to play for him to be dropped? I honestly think he could sit in the pocket with a Nintendo DS every week and refuse to play and still maintain his spot for atleast 6-7 weeks.

 

[BrunoV]

One I prepared earlier:

"There was not much wrong with Daniher's presentation.

I thought that his ground level pressure in a defensive sense was seriously good, almost ecxellent.

That spoil of Brayshaw that ended up in a goal was the result of a 100-150m sprint from the middle of the ground (that's about the state of his luck at the moment). Brayshaw is the player who I noticed got free almost every time Laverde came off the ground (replaced by Stringer). Whether this was the case on this occasion I can't say.

He's definitely not in great form, I'm not denying that, but there are structural things that are not working in his favour. We're not looking for the 30-50m kick from half back that would bring him into the game (and he got cooked on the lead a few times today). There is also clearly an issue with the forwards being static to take up position in the zone. I'd like to see them start deeper and be on the move to the relevant part of the zone by the time the ball is being kicked (like cricketers walking in the a bowler).

The possession rates for Daniher and Stewart are both down. Based on what I saw today, it has little to do with how hard those two are working as forwards."

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

One I prepared earlier:

"There was not much wrong with Daniher's presentation.

I thought that his ground level pressure in a defensive sense was seriously good, almost ecxellent.

That spoil of Brayshaw that ended up in a goal was the result of a 100-150m sprint from the middle of the ground (that's about the state of his luck at the moment). Brayshaw is the player who I noticed got free almost every time Laverde came off the ground (replaced by Stringer). Whether this was the case on this occasion I can't say.

He's definitely not in great form, I'm not denying that, but there are structural things that are not working in his favour. We're not looking for the 30-50m kick from half back that would bring him into the game (and he got cooked on the lead a few times today). There is also clearly an issue with the forwards being static to take up position in the zone. I'd like to see them start deeper and be on the move to the relevant part of the zone by the time the ball is being kicked (like cricketers walking in the a bowler).

The possession rates for Daniher and Stewart are both down. Based on what I saw today, it has little to do with how hard those two are working as forwards."

Yep I saw the same thing, his work rate and defensive efforts were far better than a number of his team mates. I think his exaggeration in marking contests and whinging is coming home to roost as he does seem to give away a lot of frees for things he doesn’t get when his opponent does the same thing. This coupled with the delivery and attacking style (or lack of) our team is getting in his head.

Regardless of all this Joey, keep working, keeping leading and trying, stop second guessing yourself and for ****s sake, practice the same goal kicking routine again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

 

[BrunoV]

Posted in Laverde thread so sorry for repetition but he wasn't even practising his goal kicking routine in the pre-match.

It's no wonder that he doesn't know what to do when he gets a set shot.

There's only one way to kick a set shot consistently and that to have an obsessive routine.

 

[TheGrizz]

I see Danihers issue as two fold.

1. Himself
His leading patterns once he leaves the forward 50 is actually pretty good at the moment. He is providing an option and providing a link but he is trying to do too much with his disposal (every kick is a wheel around attempt for a 60m bullet) and is playing like a guy trying to force himself into form. Goalkicking has regressed again as well. Gets caught behind inside f50 partly because of point 2 but also he is trying to het a leap over opponents. Watch richmond and you will find Riewoldt basically play the front position 95% of the time and it works for him. Joey at 201cm needs to start doing the same.

2. The transition out of defence makes it impossible for just about any forward. Our over handballing at times amd dinky bacmward kicks means our forwards get sucked up the ground or by the time we grind it forward the opposition has a 9 man defence. Impossible for joey or anyone to win a contest there.
If we dont get a clean break off half back then we just dont score which is an issue

 

[Doss]

I still felt watching at the ground yesterday that something is physically awry. His spring is just not there as it should be. He still get some elevation, but it's a pale comparison to what he was doing in 2016 and 2017.