Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Coops93]

May will go to a finals team and make them into serious contenders.

Just hope that's not Collingwood.

It will probably be Collingwood.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Because our biggest need is midfield and we've got 3 young key forwards already.

Two, with a very dubious third. I'd love to think Kerr will make it, but it's not real likely.

He's got most of the attributes, but doesn't have speed which will kill him at AFL level.

 

[Coops93]

Two, with a very dubious third. I'd love to think Kerr will make it, but it's not real likely.

He's got most of the attributes, but doesn't have speed which will kill him at AFL level.

Which third are you referring to?

 

[Soapy V]

Wouldn't have thought Taylor would be in the conversation as a top 10 pick either would he?

May be a bolter?

He's my bolter. I see a heap fo upside and AFL skills

 

[El Topo]

Just hope that's not Collingwood.

It will probably be Collingwood.

I still have Collingwood spending all their capital on Lynch. You want a real nightmare scenario? May to *FC

 

[Gethelred]

Two, with a very dubious third. I'd love to think Kerr will make it, but it's not real likely.

He's got most of the attributes, but doesn't have speed which will kill him at AFL level.

I see him as being like Fraiser Gehrig/James Podsiadly. He'll be an accomplished performer who knows where to be and when to lead, but other than being the consummate professional in his conduct is rather vanilla in terms of what he does (ie, he's just not eye-catching in the way others in his position usually are).

In a side with a goodly set of x-factor players and a strong midfield - not that we have the latter yet - there's always plenty of room for a roleplayer as a key forward, provided they can play to the correct patterns and aren't required to win the game by themselves. Think, death by 1000 cuts rather than incisive thrusts; 1-2 goals, 5-10 marks, 10-18 possessions and 3-4 tackles a game. Sure, he'll never be Buddy, but you don't always want Buddy do you?

 

[Gethelred]

I still have Collingwood spending all their capital on Lynch. You want a real nightmare scenario? May to *FC

One player doesn't radically change the fortunes of an entire line, or an entire team. If he went to Essendon, he'd give them another tall option down back, but he wouldn't fix their main issue; that opposition can move the ball end to end rather easily, and that opposition can get fundamentally easier shots on goal against them than almost anyone else.

It'd be a grass is greener situation for him; he leaves GC, where the midfield allows opposition sides to waltz through the middle of the ground ensuring that regardless of how good he is at keeping his man uninvolved others get plenty of easy shots and kick them, then when he goes to try to help out his man gets played through, and goes to Essendon and finds, after they go okay but drop back to earth in a real way, that exact issue is present there as well, without the excuses that youth and a lack of preseasons provide.

 

[F_therest]

I'd be happy with just Jake Lloyd, others don't add much to the team.

I think Lonie and Tyson or sheed would add to our team.

Agree though that even an off season of just Lloyd would be a win in my books given our season.

 

[LanceRomance]

Why are so many of you soooo keen on trading the #1 pick? As I've said before if this lukosisidisids is a good as I've read why would we not be all over him???

because next years draft is 10 times better?

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I see him as being like Fraiser Gehrig/James Podsiadly. He'll be an accomplished performer who knows where to be and when to lead, but other than being the consummate professional in his conduct is rather vanilla in terms of what he does (ie, he's just not eye-catching in the way others in his position usually are).

Gehrig is a very poor comparison for Kerr. The G-Train was a destructive force and superb athlete who kicked 103, 78 and 73 goals in consecutive seasons for the Saints.

 

[El Topo]

One player doesn't radically change the fortunes of an entire line, or an entire team. If he went to Essendon, he'd give them another tall option down back, but he wouldn't fix their main issue; that opposition can move the ball end to end rather easily, and that opposition can get fundamentally easier shots on goal against them than almost anyone else.

It'd be a grass is greener situation for him; he leaves GC, where the midfield allows opposition sides to waltz through the middle of the ground ensuring that regardless of how good he is at keeping his man uninvolved others get plenty of easy shots and kick them, then when he goes to try to help out his man gets played through, and goes to Essendon and finds, after they go okay but drop back to earth in a real way, that exact issue is present there as well, without the excuses that youth and a lack of preseasons provide.

His physicality and aggression is team lifting. Hodge-like. He'd be one of the guns of the comp if not at that plastic void of a club.

 

[HBF]

Not sure about scimshaw and brodie, but we have 0% interest in hall.

Good to hear. We have no real need for Hall.

 

[katmanblue]

Cheaper. Well you get what you pay for.


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[MileHigh]

He doesn't owe you anything.

Calm down Prince Charming. Clearly he doesnt but its a fair observation.

 

[Gethelred]

Gehrig is a very poor comparison for Kerr. The G-Train was a destructive force and superb athlete who kicked 103, 78 and 73 goals in consecutive seasons for the Saints.

... being fed by what was a very fast, very even and very talented midfield, in what was a multipronged forward line that possessed Nick Riewoldt who did most of the work by spreading the defence and drawing the eye, while Fraiser waited out the back.

There is nothing wrong with being an ultra competative professional full forward who is ultimately not the bloke who wins you the match. You can kick more goals than that bloke, you're probably going to be more consistant than he will, but your success is as much the result of the rest of your team getting the ball to you and bringing about the situation which gave you the separation as anything else.

 

[Gethelred]

His physicality and aggression is team lifting. Hodge-like. He'd be one of the guns of the comp if not at that plastic void of a club.

Don't agree, at all. He's a very good player, who clearly gives a shit, yet his teammates have never gone with him when he's flown.

Reminds me of Thornton with his impotent petulant rage.

 

[Metalcrusher]

I still have Collingwood spending all their capital on Lynch. You want a real nightmare scenario? May to *FC

He would fit right in there too ….. campaigner.

 

[harrisendblue]

Mostly as an upgrade on Rowe. He would immediately be our best key defender and has an aggression noone else in our team has. It's been discussed in the past that we're a bit 'nice', well a defence with Willo and May would alleviate that issue.

Based on my theorised trade we still have pick 3 allowing us to get a midfielder/ small forward - as I said, Rankine would be my target.

Rankine and May for pick 1 and 20 (or so) seems pretty good to me.

I like it as significantly improves a glaring weakness. Would prefer either walsh/smith than rankine. Could we include a written agreement they don't take Walsh.

If May decides to stay then using your same strategy I would target Thompson. Like May is contracted until 2019 and would be huge upgrade on Rowe as that predominantly lockdown taller defender. In this scenario we should be able to trade for 2 and a third rd pick rather than 20.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

... being fed by what was a very fast, very even and very talented midfield, in what was a multipronged forward line that possessed Nick Riewoldt who did most of the work by spreading the defence and drawing the eye, while Fraiser waited out the back.

There is nothing wrong with being an ultra competative professional full forward who is ultimately not the bloke who wins you the match. You can kick more goals than that bloke, you're probably going to be more consistant than he will, but your success is as much the result of the rest of your team getting the ball to you and bringing about the situation which gave you the separation as anything else.

That is a very novel way to describe Gehrig. He was nothing like Kerr.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Two, with a very dubious third. I'd love to think Kerr will make it, but it's not real likely.

He's got most of the attributes, but doesn't have speed which will kill him at AFL level.

I think he's speed is a little under rated .
Yes he's not as agile as Charlie and Harry but he's more nimble than Casboult of which if he had Casboult mobility id possibly agree .
He's been able to get it on the lead in the games that he's played which shows he has a good footy brain that can help somewhat if theres a question mark on speed .
A smart forward with a better midfield which we will be better in the coming seasons imo will see Kerr surprising many .
At the very least good backup if we dont go with the 3 talls each game .

 

[tencentpiece]

I think Lonie and Tyson or sheed would add to our team.

Agree though that even an off season of just Lloyd would be a win in my books given our season.

This is just my opinion, but Lonie/Tyson/Sheed don't really add anything to our best 22 apart from depth. I think last year we made some astute pick ups in Kennedy & Lang and those players are similar but worse versions of them. They do add some extra players in the age profile we are looking at, but I think the club would be more interesting in bringing in more talent than those guys provide. I think Sheed/Lonie would be hard trades as well.

 

[Love the Drake]

An idea based on the Steven May rumour.

Pick 1 and second round pick (I don't know the numbers, but our first second round pick)

for

May and pick 3 (assuming they get it for Lynch and also hold pick 2)

You might think the Suns are getting well unders in this trade, however trading to pick 1 allows them to get Lukosius to restore there KPP stocks a little bit considering they're losing 2 of the best. So they likely get Lukosius and Walsh and roughly pick 19/20 and we get May and pick 3 (Who I'd like to be Rankine )

I think that works for both teams.

Totally agree with you Coops. I threw this up a couple of days ago and got shouted down re him being a flog and us needing midfielders. I think people can sometimes be a bit blinkered when it comes to list management. Yes - we desperately need midfielders, couldn't agree more, BUT if a player like May is available, and no quality mids are, then let's fill that hole and set our backline for the next 5 years.

Marchbank May Simmo/Plowman/LOB
Doc Weiters Byrne/Willo

Unless we get a Gaff, Shiel or a Kelly, then we should be looking at cheaper options until they become available. May is 26 y.o (the club has said we will be recruiting this age bracket), experienced, and that big bodied aggressive full back we are crying out for (such a shame ASOS' body let him down because he showed what affect this type of player has on our defence).

My scenario was to trade our pick 1 plus our 2nd rounders this year and next year, for GCS pick 3 & May.

We will then have landed our big fish, and can still trade in the big bodied B grade mids for not much as well as picking up the best young midfielder in the draft. GCS get Lukosius (to replace Lynch) and pick 3.

 

[JustaBattler]

He would fit right in there too ….. campaigner.

May is a competitive footballer with exactly the kind of mongrel that is required to beat the opposition's best. I'd have him at Carlton faster than you can say trade any of the backs except for Weitering.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why are so many of you soooo keen on trading the #1 pick? As I've said before if this lukosisidisids is a good as I've read why would we not be all over him???

Because they're never as good as what you read..

When was the last time a no.1 was the best in the draft? Cooney? And that's just because it was a GARBAGE draft

 

[therubbernub]

Seems very perculuar to me a person doesnt log into their bigfooty account at all since November last year... and then all a sudden pops up on the Collingwood board to make 2 posts -





Only saving grace is he says "you guys" and not "we" and his logo is still the Carlton logo. But geez wouldnt have minded some info coming out of our club in the past... 9 months now it has been.

Another joining the Pies band wagon. They have some real A grade talent out and certainly werent disgraced against the tigers . Could do a Bulldogs