Recommitted Marc Murphy [re-signed]

[The Old Dark Navy's]

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in a draft as good as this why do you perceive that sort of pick as bad??

Because we need experienced players, not more speculators in the second round. People are acting as though every player in the top 40 this year will be guns. It never works out that way.

 

[Malifice]

I understand the point of view how it impacts a bottom club, but I don’t agree it has a bigger impact on a bottom club than it does a top club, and top clubs will also lose good players as they have been since it was introduced.

You find that players in top clubs are prepared to take pay cuts to stay together. Happened at Hawthorn, and last year Dusty took a million bucks less to avoid moving to North (as a free agent).

Most if not allbottom four clubs are not going to be derailed by losing a 31 year old midfielder. Or even a 28 year old midfielder for arguments sake.

Really? You dont think losing Gibbs has hurt us this year?

Where as you take a top player from a top four side, you can cost them a premiership that has take that club 20-30 years to have a crack at.

I find this hillarous coming from a Geelong supporter. You guys have poached Henderson, Touhy and Ablett from bottom 4 sides. In addition to Danger (although Adelaide were not at the bottom). You are prennially topping up with experienced players.

This is a luxury that teams like Brisbane and Carlton dont have. Even the Saints are having difficulty attracting an A grade free agent or trade. Carlisle is about it for them so far.

It really is a no brainer for me who gets impacted more, the club losing out on a premiership.

While losing out on a premiership sucks, being mired to the bottom of the ladder for several years is much worse.

Im a 43 year old Carlton supporter so trust me. I've gone through both.

 

[Malifice]

In a draft as good as this why do you perceive that sort of pick as bad??

I dont perceive it as bad. If it comes to that, it comes to that. There isnt much we can do about it. He's an UFA.

I think (presuming he is fit to play) his value to the club over the next two years is of greater value. We're light on for talented players over the age of 24. Simpson and Kruezer (and arguably Jones) are the only decent players over 24 if Murphy leaves, and Simpson is 34 years old, and in his final or penultimate year as well.

We're also light on for midfielders with Cripps playing a lone hand.

Put a team of kids on the park and they're gonna get smashed, no matter how talented they are. See also GCS and GWS first few years, and Melbourne. You need senior bodies around the kids.

Senior players also provide 'corporate knowledge'. Theyve been in the system for a while and help the younger guys through it.

Its like starting a military unit from scratch with a bunch of green recruits. They'll have no idea what to pack, how to pack it, or all the other little tricks of the trade. Throw in some experienced NCOs to lead them and show them the ropes, and you have a much more effective unit.

 

[Turbocat]

Because we need experienced players, not more speculators in the second round. People are acting as though every player in the top 40 this year will be guns. It never works out that way.

I totally agree with you on the draft thing everyone is a potential gun..but look back at previous draft..just not the case..and once you have a number of young talent picks.. you need experience to support them
I can understand why you would like him to stay.. but as with all FA its up to the player..clubs really can only do so much. If you got 20 ish.. which I doubt ..but if you did.. you may get a younger experienced player to come in. Who? No idea.. but I suspect several clubs would trade for a pick in the 20's

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I dont perceive it as bad. If it comes to that, it comes to that. There isnt much we can do about it. He's an UFA.

I think (presuming he is fit to play) his value to the club over the next two years is of greater value. We're light on for talented players over the age of 24. Simpson and Kruezer (and arguably Jones) are the only decent players over 24 if Murphy leaves, and Simpson is 34 years old, and in his final or penultimate year as well.

We're also light on for midfielders with Cripps playing a lone hand.

Put a team of kids on the park and they're gonna get smashed, no matter how talented they are. See also GCS and GWS first few years, and Melbourne. You need senior bodies around the kids.

Senior players also provide 'corporate knowledge'. Theyve been in the system for a while and help the younger guys through it.

Its like starting a military unit from scratch with a bunch of green recruits. They'll have no idea what to pack, how to pack it, or all the other little tricks of the trade. Throw in some experienced NCOs to lead them and show them the ropes, and you have a much more effective unit.

Can always simply on trade that pick in the 20’s which is probably best case scenario.

Otherwise take it to the draft which could get you a quality player also.

I don’t see Carlton really walking away losers given your ladder situation his age and future direction.

 

[Malifice]

Can always simply on trade that pick in the 20’s which is probably best case scenario.

Otherwise take it to the draft which could get you a quality player also.

I don’t see Carlton really walking away losers given your ladder situation his age and future direction.

We need experienced A grade free agents. Not losing them.

 

[Masqualero]

Band three, which is basically the same thing if we finish last.

Band 2 is a pick at the end of the 1st round (pick 19). Band 3 is a pick after our second round pick (pick 20 if we finish last).

And yes, I know we traded our 2nd rounder last year, but that doesnt matter. Its based of the pick, not who currently holds it.

Correct, boy is my face red haha

 

[Kreuz Control]

Dude, he won the BnF last year.

He played 22 games, averaged 16.4 kicks, 13.4 handballs, (Avg 29.8 disposals) going at a shade over 10 contested and 19 uncontested over those 22 games.

He finished with 9 Brownlow votes in a side that won like 5 games for the year.

I get that he has potentially chronic injury problems now with his foot/ ankle, and there is a bit of a risk here, but come on.

Yourself and another poster made the same valid point, as replied back to him or her, you're correct and I should have said two out o the last three years.

 

[tigs2010]

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in a draft as good as this why do you perceive that sort of pick as bad??

In any draft no matter how good, Carlton will be ecstatic to get a solid B grade player with pick 1.

Pick 20 odd isnt great for losing their captain.

 

[tigs2010]

Well that settles it then. He’s staying at Carlton.

Or one of the other 13 clubs.

 

[BPikkers]

I hope Murphy stays. He is the captain afterall and should be a 1 club player. It will be a shame for hm to leave the blues.
Murphy should have another 3 years in him and if the blues can recruit a Dylan Shiel, he may end up helping the club play finals again.

 

[branedotorg]

Ill give you this ... working out the ways designs of the afl is sometime like diving for water... Would it surprise me that they find a way to give a pick to Carlton who several pundits say they need? No , I'd doubt it would surprise anyone...

it was awfully convenient that your lot got pick 19 for motlop, just what GC wanted for ablett.

sometimes coincidental things happen that just fit a narrative

 

[Taylor]

I understand the point of view how it impacts a bottom club, but I don’t agree it has a bigger impact on a bottom club than it does a top club, and top clubs will also lose good players as they have been since it was introduced.

If clubs didn't have to pay 95% of their cap every year then free agency would have a lesser impact on the lower teams.

Lower clubs could offer $5,000,000 in the first year, $2,000,000 in the second and then $500,000 for three following years resulting in a 5 year $8,500,000 contract and very little list management impact.

It might actually open the doors to middle tier players who are in the 18-25 range for best players at their club moving around more too as the lower clubs would be paying less to their bulk young players and potentially astronomical amounts for their stars, the middle guys would slip out the side.

 

[Turbocat]

it was awfully convenient that your lot got pick 19 for motlop, just what GC wanted for ablett.

sometimes coincidental things happen that just fit a narrative

Yes .. thats true..it was also rather convenient that Motlop actually hit a bit of from in the finals. Any chance of seeing MM play this year?

 

[branedotorg]

Yes .. thats true..it was also rather convenient that Motlop actually hit a bit of from in the finals. Any chance of seeing MM play this year?

no idea, frankly if we get end of round one or directly after what should be our round two i'd take it and run

 

[Punts]

Either way imo the guy is all class

Stood by his club that a lot don’t do

 

[iGNITER]

I would take Murphy at Collingwood.
Start him in the middle with Pendlebury and DeGoey and allow Treloar to play on a wing and Sidebottom more half forward.

Wouldn't cost much.

 

[Turbocat]

no idea, frankly if we get end of round one or directly after what should be our round two i'd take it and run

Compensation for FA is very contentious... while I have reservations about top sides getting comp .. I think that bottoms sides should be protected...yet
to be frank .. any player that be in the system 10 years.. probably should not deliver comp to their side..they have already had good comp.

 

[branedotorg]

Compensation for FA is very contentious... while I have reservations about top sides getting comp .. I think that bottoms sides should be protected...yet
to be frank .. any player that be in the system 10 years.. probably should not deliver comp to their side..they have already had good comp.

agree but no one wants to be the one to miss the end of the gravy train

 

[Turbocat]

agree but no one wants to be the one to miss the end of the gravy train

No one will ever knock back something for nothing .. but im not sure the current system is the right way to do it.I thin much vaunted the comp is SC space is flawed... it always cost more to recruit. perhaps an extra amount in your cap to recruit someone is better than a draft pick.. or perhaps you get an extra spot on your list for a 3 years to develop someone ..my bet is someone like Geelong would be happy to take that ..and get access to an extra kid to develop even if late picked.

There is too much feed the hungry man a fish in the afl .. we need more teach a man to fish. For example clubs down the bottom the get an extra couple of spot to develop kids... instead of just expecting a top end kid.

 

[james Dean]

Re-signing with the Blues for 2 years.

 

[BPikkers]

Re-signing with the Blues for 2 years.

Great result. He should be remembered as a 1 team player. Hopefully he has a better run at it next year.

 

[kingblue1982]

Re-signing with the Blues for 2 years.

Unfortunately... soft

 

[La Dispute]

He's done a few soft things, but he's put his slight frame on the line multiple times over his career. I've seen Gary Ablett and Trent Cotchin pull out of contests, but they don't get the same level of scrutiny because they aren't captaining the worst team in the league. Often it's actually a smart tactic if you can avoid contact but still come out with the ball.

There's just this macho stigma associated with not putting your body in the worst possible place on a football field, even when it's not in your best interest to do so, and the better option is just to back your read of the ball and get the play moving before you get hit. Good players do this regularly, aka Pendles, Macrae.

 

[Taylor]

Remember that ground ball he dove in on against Dangerfield and broke something. Not soft.