Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Pafloyul]

How many FA's are running around in top sides?

The question should be how many 'quality' free agents are running around in top sides.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Its quite rare for good/great players to leave strong clubs and when/if they do its very rare that they go to a bottom club. There is nothing stopping GC from matching any offer that comes in for Lynch or any other bottom club losing a FA, to me your idea strips the bottom club of their golden ticket.

I would much rather see free agency change a little so that clubs in the top 6 or 4 have to actually give up a pick to acquire the player, after all FA is suppose to be about players getting to choose their work place and not about clubs getting something for free.

i think it would have to be top 4 or top 8 in that system. Say band 1,2,3 that club loses that pick.
Probably top 4 because the same player would cost the 8th side pick 11 and the 1st side 18 so that's not really fair

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The question should be how many 'quality' free agents are running around in top sides.

Buddy and Frawley are the only two I can think of. Frawley is more handy than quality.
Buddy was also taken from the best side in the comp so he hardly counts either

 

[djholmes]

If we get Picks 1 and 4, we need to use Pick 1 on Lukosius and trade pick 4 for two picks in the top 12.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Because if Jonathan Brown says so, it must be true.


Okay.

Name who he's better than, then. The other options they have in his position are: Coniglio, Ward, Whitfield, Hopper, Griffin, Deledio, Greene, Kelly, Scully.

I'm plenty willing to entertain the idea that he's better those players, but from a purely realistic perspective at least three if not four of those players could step into his role without much change in output, and that's before adding players like Taranto to the potential usurper's list.

For the position he plays I would rate Kelly ahead, it’s a tough call between he and Ward. He’s ahead of the rest of them as a midfielder (although I’d rate Greene as the best player of all of those mentioned).

 

[Pafloyul]

Buddy and Frawley are the only two I can think of. Frawley is more handy than quality.
Buddy was also taken from the best side in the comp so he hardly counts either

Dangerfield was kind of one, though the bid was matched, they got him for slightly less than they otherwise would. Lynch will probably be another. I'm pretty adamant that we milk the high end of this draft as much as possible (or at least utilise those picks for emerging talent from other clubs) before we commit to recruiting someone like Shiel, future picks are a bit different.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

IMO when fully fit it’s a line ball after Kelly between Sheil, Whitfield/Ward(Ward obviously older and as such worth less), Coniglio has lifted this yr- Sheil would comfortably be the 2nd best midfielder in our side by quite a margin & most other sides as well

GWS pretty much fell apart in 17 prelim when Shiel went off, for those with very short memories. Easily in the top 2 mids there.

 

[Weitbricks]

We need to pay up for Shiel, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle seeing him at the Bombers.. Watching Smith and Saad tear it up tonight made me so Saad and Devon-stated.

 

[Pafloyul]

We need to pay up for Shiel, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle seeing him at the Bombers.. Watching Smith and Saad tear it up tonight made me so Saad and Devon-stated.

I don't think the bad puns are convincing anyone.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Dangerfield was kind of one, though the bid was matched, they got him for slightly less than they otherwise would. Lynch will probably be another. I'm pretty adamant that we milk the high end of this draft as much as possible (or at least utilise those picks for emerging talent from other clubs) before we commit to recruiting someone like Shiel, future picks are a bit different.

He wasn't though. So there are two and both came from other top 8 sides.
I think people are jumping at shadows abit.

Edit. Rockliff and Motlop too.
Again Motlop not really quality and from another top 8 side. Rockliff fits the bill though

 

[ShanDog]

The only way I see an extra draft pick being given to us that isn't after the first round is if the AFL want to make policy on the run about picks being available after the bottom 8 have had their first, meaning pick 9 as the earliest possible freeby. I don't doubt Baz getting mail from someone suggesting a top 5 pick, but I just think that mail is dead set wrong. I know the AFL is incompetent, but handing out picks at the start of the draft again would just be unprecedented levels of a shitshow.

 

[4thchicken]

dream over

Not quite. What if PP are based on ladder position (as per the best compo available for FA). Would mean
carlton
carlton (PP)
GCS
GCS (PP)
GCS (lynch)

Would align with what Jay Clark suggested on triple m - https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/af...riority-picks-at-the-start-of-the-first-round
At the time thought it was a weird way to order the selections but I certainly wouldn't complain!

 

[Pafloyul]

He wasn't though. So there are two and both came from other top 8 sides.
I think people are jumping at shadows abit.

Edit. Rockliff and Motlop too.
Again Motlop not really quality and from another top 8 side. Rockliff fits the bill though

You see... and it's still making those top sides stronger by a reinforcement process of the compensation pick. Perhaps compensation should be at a different rate depending where you finish on the ladder.

 

[F_therest]

The only way I see an extra draft pick being given to us that isn't after the first round is if the AFL want to make policy on the run about picks being available after the bottom 8 have had their first, meaning pick 9 as the earliest possible freeby. I don't doubt Baz getting mail from someone suggesting a top 5 pick, but I just think that mail is dead set wrong. I know the AFL is incompetent, but handing out picks at the start of the draft again would just be unprecedented levels of a shitshow.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy.

Eg leak that we could get start of draft compo, outrage ensues, then say OK OK we hear you...we will only give them mid first round pp.

Less people mad about it than if just came out and said it will be mid first round.

 

[bmaurizio]

The AFL have always made up as they go with regards to rule interpretation and implementation.
Another season of teams wining 2 to 4 games only won't go down very.
They cannot ignore or be inert way any longer. Multiple teams being flogged by over 100 pts is not pretty to watch, damages the game.
A priority pick 20 will do little to suuport the bottom dwellers.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

You see... and it's still making those top sides stronger by a reinforcement process of the compensation pick. Perhaps compensation should be at a different rate depending where you finish on the ladder.

It is at a different rate. Buddy gets 19 Lynch gets 3. If they keep the current system they should scrap band two though.
If they are going to keep compo than they really should do as Dangerousdane said and take a pick from the top 4 or 8 sides who get a player through FA so the entire comp isn't paying for one or two sides advantage. If a non finals- bottom 14 side gets a player than they don't have to. The rest of the Comp is still disadvantaged by this though

 

[thedan29]

We’re getting close to that time of the year again... we’re a week away from our final game and there’s been a bluemour posted just about every hour today!
Just really hope the Setterfield rumours are true - kid has huge potential would really complement the midfield we are currently trying to build!

 

[jooce8891]

We need to pay up for Shiel, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle seeing him at the Bombers.. Watching Smith and Saad tear it up tonight made me so Saad and Devon-stated.

underrated comment.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Buddy and Frawley are the only two I can think of. Frawley is more handy than quality.
Buddy was also taken from the best side in the comp so he hardly counts either

Wait till Lynch goes to the Tigers and wins a flag. Watch the flood gates open after that.

 

[Gethelred]

For the position he plays I would rate Kelly ahead, it’s a tough call between he and Ward. He’s ahead of the rest of them as a midfielder (although I’d rate Greene as the best player of all of those mentioned).

Given that we haven't seen the best of him since he went to GWS, I'd be hesitant to place Shiel in front of Deledio, given how good Deledio's been in the past. If he can get up and out there soon and hit a little form going into the finals, look out.

I also think plenty are ignoring how good Whitfield was playing last season before he went back, and are ignoring the degree that Shiel goes under the radar when you've players like Kelly and Coniglio playing more inside and Ward playing like a leader should.

Shield or Whitfield would be perfect for us, because our issue is not extraction but transition. We could get the ball out to him and to others, and then move the ball by foot and by hand; he'd improve the quality of our clearances immeasurably. I still wouldn't trade pick 1 for him, nor in the event of the AFL being stupid enough to give us pick 1+3 would I trade pick 3, not with the prospect of him leaving via FA next year and them not being able to force a trade because of salary cap issues. He's very, very good, but he is not pivotal to them, and they have plenty of depth in his position. 2019 first + one of the seconds, combine 2-3 of our seconds into picks 10-15 and then ontrade that to them (with a second returning, should it be pick 10) or they can watch us make them pay through the nose for Kelly, Coniglio next year and purchase Shiel's services for enough only to trigger a second after theirs as compensation.

 

[RedFury]

We need to pay up for Shiel, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle seeing him at the Bombers.. Watching Smith and Saad tear it up tonight made me so Saad and Devon-stated.

Yep. If he went there it would indeed be a real st(r)inger.

 

[Garth Vader]

The only way I see an extra draft pick being given to us that isn't after the first round is if the AFL want to make policy on the run about picks being available after the bottom 8 have had their first, meaning pick 9 as the earliest possible freeby. I don't doubt Baz getting mail from someone suggesting a top 5 pick, but I just think that mail is dead set wrong. I know the AFL is incompetent, but handing out picks at the start of the draft again would just be unprecedented levels of a shitshow.

It would be nice if the AFL would acknowledge (through words and actions) the extent to which FA is hurting lower-ranked clubs and not pander to those (in the "media" and elsewhere) who scream the loudest with their faux-outrage about PPs.

Having said that, pick 9 sounds to me like a workable compromise, with the political environment in mind. Pick 19+, while better than nothing, sounds a bit like tokenism, IMO.

 

[Weiterbot23]

A PP before the finals teams would quell the outrage from other teams.

All the teams that make the 8 are worried about finals, all the teams that miss can hit the draft unimpeeded.

 

[Gavstar]

A PP before the finals teams would quell the outrage from other teams.

All the teams that miss the 8 are worried about finals, all the teams that miss can hit the draft unimpeeded.

This is a fair outcome to me. Would stop saints squealing given the state of their list.

 

[Gavstar]

GWS pretty much fell apart in 17 prelim when Shiel went off, for those with very short memories. Easily in the top 2 mids there.

Kelly and Ward are their best followed by Cogniglio and Shiel. Hopper and Taranto will be their best in a couple of years.