Kavanaugh Confirmed - Dems fail with unsupported sex assault allegation from 1982.

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Tiger08

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This Kavanagh allegation is straight out of House of Cards. Amazing story really.

I know why they're doing it but FMD it's ugly. Yes the GOP screwed Garland and all's fair in love and war.. but the (incredibly) self-righteous side of politics playing political games with rape.. really?

I just can't believe the public will stay on the fence for much longer giving Ford any benefit of doubt.

- Dems had this for months and sat on it because they had no other way of stopping the confirmation.
- 4 days before a vote she decides to come forward.. what a coincidence? If this was true surely you'd come out months ago? It would have stopped it then of true but conveniently they wait until there's no time for anyone else. The person who was apparently subject to an attempted rape os herself now joining the delaying tactics for the same reason?
- No one else is accusing the guy of anything like that.. 65 women signed a character reference as to how her treats women.. even his ex girlfriends.. Creeps don't do this sort of thing once do they?
--Dems would be falling over themselves to find ANYONE else to even accuse Kavanagh of harassment, let alone sexual assault.. and they cant.
- she says 5 people were at the party that she knows. None of them have any recollection and one of the women has come out saying she never remembers being at that sort of party or even knowing who Kavanagh was.
- 5 years ago she said there was 4 people in the room.. now her memory has decided it was 2 and the only person she points to is a guy who can't defend him because he's in the GOP and he cant remember it anyway
- She's not sure what year it was
- Or who's house it was in.. because he might be able to prove he never went there
- She says she was there as a 15 year old and just had one drink so her memory was fine! Please.. most of us have been 15 year olds at a piss up.. one drink? Try that on your parents..
- She's a registered Democrats who signed statements against certain Trump policies
- her lawyers only WANT her to testify in front of the senators because the GOP ones are male and it will look worse politically.. shouldnt they be looking out for the best interests of their client.. not doing favours for the Dems?

I just think it's the most digustingly low act I can remember in modern politics. Accusing a guy of attempted rape from 36 years ago and making it impossible for him to defend his name.. delaying it purely for poltical reasons and without a shred of evidence or anyone to back up any part of her story.

It's obviously clever but geez I hope Australia doesn't get that bad. Yuck.
 
Why would this person make this up?

Was she anticipating this when she told her therapist 6 years ago or however long it was?

I think something happened to her and she thinks it might have been Kavanagh but doesn't really know.

The way it's being played though is not for her benefit.. it's pure political games by the Dems and she is doing everything she can to support that.. which just undermines the credibility of her story further. Just makes her look like a political hack.
 

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Politicians playing politics... wow! Never seen that before.

Also she made the complaint as an unnamed person, Republicans wanted her to come out so they could shame her. Not surprising..

Also some of those points you raised are entirely irrelevant. Character witnesses are just worthless. I can act nice to 100 people but still murder 1. He probably has been an upstanding citizen to women since he became an adult, but that doesn't make her accusation any less valid..
 
Politicians playing politics... wow! Never seen that before.

Also she made the complaint as an unnamed person, Republicans wanted her to come out so they could shame her. Not surprising..

Also some of those points you raised are entirely irrelevant. Character witnesses are just worthless. I can act nice to 100 people but still murder 1. He probably has been an upstanding citizen to women since he became an adult, but that doesn't make her accusation any less valid..

Don't be ridiculous, Democrats have convinced her to come out. This is all orchestrated by them for the purposes of the mid terms.

Politics using an allegation of attempted rape is pretty out there.

What possible defense is there when she can't even say what year it was or where?

He's being accused of attempted rape solely on the basis of someone's alcohol affected memory from 36 years ago.

Anyway.. thankfully she's agreed to testify so more will come out either way...
 
Don't be ridiculous, Democrats have convinced her to come out. This is all orchestrated by them for the purposes of the mid terms.

Politics using an allegation of attempted rape is pretty out there.

What possible defense is there when she can't even say what year it was or where?

He's being accused of attempted rape solely on the basis of someone's alcohol affected memory from 36 years ago.

Anyway.. thankfully she's agreed to testify so more will come out either way...
No they haven't. No one knew about it until Feinstein looked into it. Republicans then demanded she come out. It's all there. Why do you insist on making shit up when the quotes are all out there for everyone to see? I don't understand it. Are you dumb, ignorant or just really anti-democrat?

Also where does she say she was drunk? She said they were, but she has never said she was. Again, making shit up just to attack someone, it's pretty poor form. You talk of them playing politics, well here you are pretty much doing the exact same thing from a conservative side.

Poor, really really poor.
 
No they haven't. No one knew about it until Feinstein looked into it. Republicans then demanded she come out. It's all there. Why do you insist on making shit up when the quotes are all out there for everyone to see? I don't understand it. Are you dumb, ignorant or just really anti-democrat?

Also where does she say she was drunk? She said they were, but she has never said she was. Again, making shit up just to attack someone, it's pretty poor form. You talk of them playing politics, well here you are pretty much doing the exact same thing from a conservative side.

Poor, really really poor.

Whatever.. i have no interest in your childish rants. I just said I'm glad she's testifying so we'll find out more then. It's ugly politics either way.
 
Whatever.. i have no interest in your childish rants. I just said I'm glad she's testifying so we'll find out more then. It's ugly politics either way.
So basically, you refuse to acknowledge my points because they don't line up with yours. Good work.
 

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Same could be asked about the accusations made against the current leader of the opposition.
Which would these be? That he had an affair with a female staffer who turned out to be a bloke with an ambiguous name?
 
This Kavanagh allegation is straight out of House of Cards. Amazing story really.

I know why they're doing it but FMD it's ugly. Yes the GOP screwed Garland and all's fair in love and war.. but the (incredibly) self-righteous side of politics playing political games with rape.. really?

I just can't believe the public will stay on the fence for much longer giving Ford any benefit of doubt.

- Dems had this for months and sat on it because they had no other way of stopping the confirmation.
- 4 days before a vote she decides to come forward.. what a coincidence? If this was true surely you'd come out months ago? It would have stopped it then of true but conveniently they wait until there's no time for anyone else. The person who was apparently subject to an attempted rape os herself now joining the delaying tactics for the same reason?
- No one else is accusing the guy of anything like that.. 65 women signed a character reference as to how her treats women.. even his ex girlfriends.. Creeps don't do this sort of thing once do they?
--Dems would be falling over themselves to find ANYONE else to even accuse Kavanagh of harassment, let alone sexual assault.. and they cant.
- she says 5 people were at the party that she knows. None of them have any recollection and one of the women has come out saying she never remembers being at that sort of party or even knowing who Kavanagh was.
- 5 years ago she said there was 4 people in the room.. now her memory has decided it was 2 and the only person she points to is a guy who can't defend him because he's in the GOP and he cant remember it anyway
- She's not sure what year it was
- Or who's house it was in.. because he might be able to prove he never went there
- She says she was there as a 15 year old and just had one drink so her memory was fine! Please.. most of us have been 15 year olds at a piss up.. one drink? Try that on your parents..
- She's a registered Democrats who signed statements against certain Trump policies
- her lawyers only WANT her to testify in front of the senators because the GOP ones are male and it will look worse politically.. shouldnt they be looking out for the best interests of their client.. not doing favours for the Dems?

I just think it's the most digustingly low act I can remember in modern politics. Accusing a guy of attempted rape from 36 years ago and making it impossible for him to defend his name.. delaying it purely for poltical reasons and without a shred of evidence or anyone to back up any part of her story.

It's obviously clever but geez I hope Australia doesn't get that bad. Yuck.
It doesnt matter if the democrats are playing games. Republican play games and in fact given how republicans played games with garland no independent will give a stuff that the democrats have now played this for political reasons. As it doesnt change the fact that a supreme court nominee now has two sexual abuse claims against him no matter how you try to spin it. Not everyone else has given kavannah a good character reference by the way. His own roommate's character reference doesnt help him in any shape or form. Nor does the known history of some of his colleage budies.
 
The timing is delicious but doubt Democrats planned it. But Republicans can never be wrong so obviously it's a big left wing conspiracy.
 
Which would these be? That he had an affair with a female staffer who turned out to be a bloke with an ambiguous name?
Have you been living under a rock?

A WOMAN who claims she was raped by federal Labor leader Bill Shorten has accused Victoria Police of failing to investigate properly because of his position of power.​

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/w...r/news-story/a92bad447392ff36830daa5ef2f8971e

More here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-21/bill-shorten-says-name-cleared-over-rape-allegation/5687172
 
If it wasn't politics, she wouldn't. It took 36 years...
How long ago were the Bill Cosby assaults?

After the Ford allegations became public ― but before Ford revealed her identity ― the Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee released a letter signed by 65 women who said they knew Kavanaugh in high school and could vouch for his “decency.” How did they know before her name was released? How do you get 65 signatures that quickly? I wonder how many men would have 65 females vouch for them like this, decades after? To vouch for someone as to their 'decency' you would have to know them very well and for it to be of any value you would have to socialise weekly and or on a monthly basis, where does he find the time for them to know him so well?

Bet you believed his story before he retracted
- Ed Whelan, an ally of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh who floated, then retracted, a conspiracy theory on Twitter accusing another man of sexually assaulting Christine Blasey Ford. Whelan, an adviser to Kavanaugh’s confirmation process and president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, later [URL='https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1043117304152817664']deleted his tweets and apologized.[/URL]

You think that only the Democrats are playing games?

Why anyone would want to come out after the way she has been treated and of course perpetrators would have lots of witness so they could show off.
 
Have you been living under a rock?

A WOMAN who claims she was raped by federal Labor leader Bill Shorten has accused Victoria Police of failing to investigate properly because of his position of power.​

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/w...r/news-story/a92bad447392ff36830daa5ef2f8971e

More here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-21/bill-shorten-says-name-cleared-over-rape-allegation/5687172
You missed this link, you living under a rock?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...port-shorten-after-investigation-drop/5688432

Victorian Police had been investigating the matter but confirmed on Thursday they would not be proceeding with criminal charges.

Glad you are so strong in supporting innocence until proven guilty.
 
- No one else is accusing the guy of anything like that.. 65 women signed a character reference as to how her treats women.. even his ex girlfriends.. Creeps don't do this sort of thing once do they?
The data on rape is quite complex actually. Even anecdotally I can rattle off several cases of people I know, stories from ex-girlfriends and acquaintances, yes, sometimes it is once. I've also heard stories of repeat offenders but to be honest I've heard more of single event and the guy has gone on to have a fairly normal life, relatively normal relationships (normally something in their relationship with women), and in a couple of cases go on to get happily married and still hang around with other friends of the woman he raped as a young man.

I just think it's the most digustingly low act I can remember in modern politics. Accusing a guy of attempted rape from 36 years ago and making it impossible for him to defend his name.. delaying it purely for poltical reasons and without a shred of evidence or anyone to back up any part of her story.

It's obviously clever but geez I hope Australia doesn't get that bad. Yuck.

Very few women like talking about rape, but if someone who sexually assaulted you was about to be appointed to a lifetimes service in one of the most important institutions of government, I would think that's sort of a now or never moment where you either tell people or stay silent forever. Elite Republicans might treat Congress and the Presidential candidates as a bit of a joke now, but they've always taken the Supreme Court and their conservative legal tradition very seriously.
 
The woman herself has not changed her accusation. What happened to "believe women"?
I wasn't the one who posted the links, just rebutting yours.

At least in her case the police investigated, whereas the Reps refuse the FBI to investigate Ford's.
 

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