What can we expect from the new Shorten government

[Taylor]

Non issue in the UK, works fine. BT and Virgin just want govt to line their pockets.

Shhh you're going to give it away that big business is using the huddled masses yearning for better to get the governments to build the infrastructure for them.

 

[medusala]

Shhh you're going to give it away that big business is using the huddled masses yearning for better to get the governments to build the infrastructure for them.

They done a great job with their immigration con as well. Just call it multiculturalism and the sans culottes will lap it up like Pavlovs dogs.

 

[kranky al]

Non issue in the UK, works fine. BT and Virgin just want govt to line their pockets.

Thats funny - then why are they replacing it with fttp?

 

[medusala]

Thats funny - then why are they replacing it with fttp?

Tories chasing youth vote

 

[kranky al]

Tories chasing youth vote

See this is the problem.

People like you that are barely able to email without their grandkids help who think they understand the internet.

The next wave of internet ready devices (iot) coupled with cloud computing is going to belt the s**t out of countries not ready for it.

You have no concept whatsoever - countries like nz are building gigabit - and debating whether its going to be enough - their debate is between 10 gig and 1 gig

Mouthbreathing liberal voters like you are crowing over getting 100 meg over copper like its an acheivement.


Heres a fuxxxxxxn hint - you dont need gigabit internet to watch 4k.

Ok - if it were all about streaming 4k 100 meg would do the trick.


Noones spending tens of billions in all these countries around the world for netflix.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The rich people getting tax cuts leading to employment is based around those wealthy people using their position of comfort to finance development of new production.

You can get around it if groups of people could invest $5 to $50 each to build up the millions to buy the factory to employ their mates to make the new object.

Demand itself is great for the existing suppliers, especially when the hurdle to get into being a supplier is so high as most businesses are.

There is also a theory that the most and best money is made being the first to sell a new product. Copying an existing idea doesn't get you as far and entering an already established market means you need to figure a way to provide your product cheaper than those who are already working with economies of scale.

That's where the line of thinking comes from, right or wrong, that's it.

not quite, it depends where/how the money is spent how big a multiplier effect the transaction has

buying a yacht you're gunna park off of Monaco, a Van Gogh, or stock in Apple does minimal (if anything) for the Australian economy, because either most of the economic activity generated by the sale is off shore, or its is holed in an object that has no economic value

This is why tax cuts to the "poor" (and poor isnt $1 below average income) have most impact on a nations GDP, because they are much more likely to buy consumables and buy locally (locally because a bigger percentage of spend with the poor is in food and rent)

This is why if the intent of a tax cut or a subsidy is promoting economic growth, you have to be smart about it. Japan failed a bunch of times to do this. The Baby Bonus wasn't called the plasma bonus for nothing either.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

See this is the problem.

People like you that are barely able to email without their grandkids help who think they understand the internet.

The next wave of internet ready devices (iot) coupled with cloud computing is going to belt the s**t out of countries not ready for it.

You have no concept whatsoever - countries like nz are building gigabit - and debating whether its going to be enough - their debate is between 10 gig and 1 gig

Mouthbreathing liberal voters like you are crowing over getting 100 meg over copper like its an acheivement.


Heres a fuxxxxxxn hint - you dont need gigabit internet to watch 4k.

Ok - if it were all about streaming 4k 100 meg would do the trick.


Noones spending tens of billions in all these countries around the world for netflix.

This

I'm at my third company now which is having genuine operational issues because the speed and reliability of the internet they have access is inadequate for the output requirements they need.

 

[Benny78]

How do you think a nation with a heavy welfare bill will survive a downturn if the middle class are tax negative or neutral?

All I am saying is if our highest tax rate kicked in around our average income then we could have a lot more money to spend on social programs.

No idea. In hindsight I would've nationalized the mines! So much of our money has ultimately gone offshore into private hands. All the public assets that were sold would also be worth a mint now. They were essentailly converted into consumable rubbish and botched schemes. I guess we could tax the super rich but we really need a new industry to replace mining

 

[Maggie5]

 

[kranky al]

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Eez the geezer wot invented electric innee?

 

[Maggie5]

Eez the geezer wot invented electric innee?

Rational thinking pioneer.
One of my favourites - "Common sense is not so common".

 

[Frank Bunn]

vsdl2 vectoring is a STOPGAP technology designed to get reasonable speeds to customers where fibre has not yet been rolled out. Nz is planning on rolling out fibre to the vast majority of its premesis by 2022. 1 gigabit per second fibre.

Nz’s stopgap is better than the coalitions final product.

Nz’s final product is somewhere between 10 and 50 times faster than the coalitions final product.

When you say vsdl2 is a stop gap technology it is being used to provide high speed internet to premises such as older apartment blocks that would be prohibitively expensive to provide fttp. The ideological commitment to fttp by Labor was one of the dumbest policies any government of Australia has proposed.

Another absolute dumb decision was imposing a government owned monopoly to implement fast internet. NZ set up a public–private partnership of the government with four companies with total government investment of NZ$1.5 billion. Australia set up NBN which could end being a write off of up to $60 billion that it has cost. Vodafone are continuing to build a fibre backbone throughout New Zealand.

NBN under Labor missed every KPI they set for themselves and this was when they were cherry picking easy and cheap installations.

Labor is very quiet about whether they are still committed to the Rudd/Conroy plan to provide fttp to every single home in Australia.

 

[kranky al]

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When you say vsdl2 is a stop gap technology it is being used to provide high speed internet to premises such as older apartment blocks that would be prohibitively expensive to provide fttp. .

https://www.broadbandcompare.co.nz/n/getting-ultra-fast-fibre-broadband-installed-in-your-apartment

Yet strangely they are still connecting apartments to fibre - again vdsl2 was a stopgap till the fibre is rolled out.

 

[kranky al]

The ideological commitment to fttp by Labor was one of the dumbest policies any government of Australia has proposed.

Why? Explain why a technology thats upgradeable from 100 meg to 1 gig to 10 gig without major infrastructure investment is worse than one which is severely limited beyond 100 meg without significant infrastructure investment?

Countries that have built fttn networks now say they regret it - we are already regretting it.

Almost every other country is building fttp

Another absolute dumb decision was imposing a government owned monopoly to implement fast internet. NZ set up a public–private partnership of the government with four companies with total government investment of NZ$1.5 billion. Australia set up NBN which could end being a write off of up to $60 billion that it has cost. Vodafone are continuing to build a fibre backbone throughout New Zealand.

You do realise that nbn co didnt install hardly anything of the nbn - it was all done by private companies.

If you want to argue their model of doing so was flawed and wasteful - well you are preaching to the choir - see my post a few posts back.

NBN under Labor missed every KPI they set for themselves and this was when they were cherry picking easy and cheap installations.

Incorrect most of the early installs were in regional areas (such as geraldton where i am - weve been on nbn fttp for years) rather than cherry picking the easy ones they actually did the hard ones first

<<<It didn't help that political considerations meant much of the early build was in rural and regional Australia, which made it more difficult and expensive to connect. As a new business, NBN Co was also learning on the job without any of Telstra's extensive network experience.>>>

Source: https://www.afr.com/news/economy/why-new-zealand-outplayed-australia-on-the-nbn-20170803-gxos77

Labor is very quiet about whether they are still committed to the Rudd/Conroy plan to provide fttp to every single home in Australia.

Fttp to every home would be too expensive - wireless tech for country areas

Fttp/c for suburbia and a decent satellite system for sparsely populated rural areas will work.

The sky muster satellite put out was a joke - ten year old tech that was oversubscribed on launch just about.

 

[medusala]

not quite, it depends where/how the money is spent how big a multiplier effect the transaction has

magic pudding humour

#multiplier

 

[Balls In]

I see Labor has already set in motion its plan to re-open the live human trade. Robbing self funded retirees to pay for illegal immigrants and the UN. Thats the Labor we all know and love.

 

[Pessimistic]

I see Labor has already set in motion its plan to re-open the live human trade. Robbing self funded retirees to pay for illegal immigrants and the UN. Thats the Labor we all know and love.

Wrong party. This is enabling slavery

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...population-control-visas-20190208-p50wkz.html

 

[kranky al]

I see Labor has already set in motion its plan to re-open the live human trade. Robbing self funded retirees to pay for illegal immigrants and the UN. Thats the Labor we all know and love.

Robbing self funded retirees?

As in stopping giving them tax refunds on tax they havnt paid?

You are a special kind of derp distributor arent you?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Robbing self funded retirees

the tax bludging thugs are the ones doing the robbing, more dangerous and a real threat than a Sudanese gang.
attacking helpless people and laughing and clapping as they do it,while robbing us blind

 

[Balls In]

Labor joining with the Greens to force a weakening of our borders says all you need to know really. Hopefully in Bill's arrogance he keeps assuming the election is his and keeps demonstrating what a disaster his govt will be.

 

[Gough]

Labor joining with the Greens to force a weakening of our borders says all you need to know really. Hopefully in Bill's arrogance he keeps assuming the election is his and keeps demonstrating what a disaster his govt will be and enough Australian cotton on to that fact.

By weakening border security what the government really means is Peter Dutton will lose his final say on whether a person can or cannot come to Australia. Would you be happy with a Labor Home Affairs Minister holding the sort of power Dutton currently wields?

 

[Balls In]

By weakening border security what the government really means is Peter Dutton will lose his final say on whether a person can or cannot come to Australia. Would you be happy with a Labor Home Affairs Minister holding the sort of power Dutton currently wields?

Either way under Bill we are guaranteed a return to the carnage on the sea. Detention centers filled to overflowing, ricketty boats smashed against rocks and an eyewatering lifetime bleed on the Ausyralian taxpayer.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Either way under Bill we are guaranteed a return to the carnage on the sea. Detention centers filled to overflowing, ricketty boats smashed against rocks and an eyewatering lifetime bleed on the Ausyralian taxpayer.

No one has said there will be any change to the current system of boat turn back.

 

[Kwality]

Incorrect most of the early installs were in regional areas (such as geraldton where i am - weve been on nbn fttp for years) rather than cherry picking the easy ones they actually did the hard ones first

<<<It didn't help that political considerations meant much of the early build was in rural and regional Australia, which made it more difficult and expensive to connect. As a new business, NBN Co was also learning on the job without any of Telstra's extensive network experience.>>>

Source: https://www.afr.com/news/economy/why-new-zealand-outplayed-australia-on-the-nbn-20170803-gxos77

Could not understand that decision, still dont.

 

[Kwality]

No one has said there will be any change to the current system of boat turn back.

The wedge is on:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/labor-shifts-position-on-medical-transfer-bill/10801534

Which way will Bill be told to go?

Edit:
High-stakes politics as medical evacuation bill for asylum seekers hangs in balance

Labor and the crossbench are scrambling to save a bill to fast-track medical evacuations from Manus Island and Nauru. Labor amendments may end up sinking the bill, unless the disparate parties can strike a compromise and wrestle control of the Lower House. Follow live.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/politics/