Autopsy Roast & Toast - Round 2 v Collingwood & changes for GWS Rd 3

[biaseddustyfan]

Who chairs the selection committee?

KiwiTiger

 

[Sir_Loin]

KiwiTiger

Who dat

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Some of the players I want dropped have been like this since the JLT though.

It's not about the marking record itself. I care because getting smashed in this stat is a feature of every single thumping we copped since the introduction of our pressure game in 2017. The domination in uncontested and contested marks is actually an effective way of counteracting our game style.

Adelaide 2017 - got outmarked 125 to 58 marks. We got done by 76 points
St Kilda 2017 - got outmarked 65 to 38 marks in the first half. Scoreline was 92-10 in that period. Scoreline pulled back in when we got on top of our aerial game.
Adelaide 2018 - got outmarked 106 to 52 marks. We got done by 36 points
West Coast 2018 - got outmarked 111 to 64 marks. We got done by 47 points
Collingwood 2018 PF - got outmarked 107 to 58 marks. We got done by 39 points
Collingwood 2019 - got outmarked 174 to 78 marks. Got done by 44 points.

Sides that thrashed us in the last 2 years have been playing aerial keepings off and we had no answer. Losing the contested possessions then makes it worse because we do not get much of the ball in the contests, yet their players keep it away from us after they gain a contested possession. Here are times when we stopped these sides from going uncontested or stepped up our contested game and the results that followed:

- In the 2017 GF, Adelaide had 92 marks to our 70. Not a huge enough differential. Also beaten in contested marks but no problem because we smashed them in contested possessions 170-140. Beat them by 48 points. When we played them at the MCG last year, it was their 96 marks to our 93 marks. Again, pretty close. We won contested possessions too and beat them by 47 points.

- The first time we played Collingwood in Round 6 of last year, we conceded 105 t0 75 marks. However, we won the contested marks battle and smashed them in contested possessions (170-140). So, we won by 43 points. The second time in Round 19 the marks were 86-82 our way and we won the contested marks as well. Contested possessions weren't bad either. So, we won by 28 points. They have since turned up their uncontested game and we can't do anything because we do not have the height to stop them.

- West Coast in Round 3 2017 were getting on top of the marks in the first half with a differential in their favour of 64 to 36. Luckily for us, they were extremely inaccurate, scoring 5.13 to our 5.6. We then flipped the script in the 3rd quarter, outworking them 21-8 and then finishing off with a relatively even differential in the last quarter to win. Rain was a factor in helping us flip the script though, but nevertheless we ended up winning by 11 points.

In short, the 174 to 78 differential we conceded in marks against Collingwood is absolutely a concern, because this is how we are essentially defeated in the past. Losing the marks count is not necessarily a concern with every single team. It's a concern with the aforementioned teams though. We need more players that are able to win the contests and are putting more effort in to nullify the aerial game of teams like Adelaide (at AO), West Coast and Collingwood because they exploit this whenever they beat us. No point having a smaller lineup because they will spread us. West Coast did this to GWS yesterday too (146-104 marks with contested marks being 20-8) in order to cruise to a 52 point win, so I think it is in our interest to get in a taller side especially with Mumford set to come in and make a bit of changes in order to do this.

Can you send this to Dimmer.

 

[theflea]

Conca would've cost us 2-3 goals had he played the other night. We're not seriously thinking Conca would've made a difference the other night are we? He hasn't done anything today against the Suns.

No im just saying its different if players turn it over, to players who cant get it all. You cant fix players who don't get it.

 

[juss]

Obviously Balta and Garthwaite are musts. Probably need another tall too, Cal Moore or Chol or CCJ to play forward and pinch hit.

Other option is just play with Astbury, Garthwaite and Vlastuin as the three tall defenders and throw Balta forward with Lynch. But I prefer Balta back with Grimes out.

Bolton should be given a crack. It's this season or never with him and we need a spark and some good ball use.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Thu melts on here when Markov gets named will be delicious!!

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Obviously Balta and Garthwaite are musts. Probably need another tall too, Cal Moore or Chol or CCJ to play forward and pinch hit.

Other option is just play with Astbury, Garthwaite and Vlastuin as the three tall defenders and throw Balta forward with Lynch. But I prefer Balta back with Grimes out.

Bolton should be given a crack. It's this season or never with him and we need a spark and some good ball use.

wouldn't be opposed to trying bolton

yeah he might do jack shit all game, but some of his plays are akin to 200+ gamers like shedwardo, bamboozles the oppos

we are looking trash at the moment so why not

 

[biaseddustyfan]

we should return the coaching staff to what they were in 2017. do it tomorrow or we are ****ed

 

[Phar Ace]

Thu melts on here when Markov gets named will be delicious!!

Just play him in a position he is more likely to excel in - novel I know.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

am quitting drinking starting wednesday

next game is gonna be interesting watching it sober for once

 

[parmy2balmey]

Don't forget derwayne Russell playing with dangers love muscle
Drown me in your honey danger

with a port power butt plug up his arse

 

[RFCGloryJC]

GWS has injuries too. Kelly and Greene.
WC applied a close tag on Coniglio, Hutchings.
Greenwood always tags Martin.
However, we seem to allow De Goey to run rampant, nine goals in two matches.
Some people are calling for radical changes to our system, I don't necessarily agree.
It is early days yet.
Clarkson more or less maintained the same system to achieve 3 flags.

 

[RFCGloryJC]

In: Balta, Ross.
Out: JR, Dylan G.

 

[Stylo]

Don't know if it's been shared already but:

R2 2019:



R6 2018:



Pretty damn similar, and we know how the rest of the season played out

Obviously nothing definitive but just saying... there's a long way to go yet. Keep the faith

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Who is the best key position intercept defender coming out of contract?
Thinking caps on boys and girls.

Don't know but I'm only in favour of Free Agents and drafting. Don't believe in giving away picks

 

[Mark the Cuckerberg]

I'm not sure why I'm getting slaughtered just for trying to be realistic about our situation. Question my views, that's fine, but don't discredit me as a supporter just because I go against the norm.

Fact Is, I've been a Richmond supporter for too many years, and I've been burnt too many times. I simply don't trust this playing group with the same blind devotion as many here do. Yes 2017 and 2018 were great, but I look at our core of Rance, Jack, Cotchin, Martin and Hardwick, a core we have had for nearly a decade of football, and I can't just ignore all the times they came up short and let us down as supporters.

Many here seem to have confirmation bias, and look at 2017 and 2018 as the new norm, I look at it as an exception to the norm. Hate on me all you like but I'm just trying to be realistic about our situation. Our list was flawed in 2015, our list was flawed in 2016, anyone could see that, yes we popped up for a premiership but you can't just ignore those list deficiencies. This was always going to happen at some point where our ball pressure wasn't going to be able to compensate for our subpar ball skills. We played that way because we had to to win games (and it worked), not because we revolutionized modern footy.

Our list as it stands can't compete with a Collingwood or West Coast or GWS now that the game has moved back to skill and less strength in numbers. Hate on me all you like but that's just how I see it.

 

[captain blood 17]

I'm not sure why I'm getting slaughtered just for trying to be realistic about our situation. Question my views, that's fine, but don't discredit me as a supporter just because I go against the norm.

Fact Is, I've been a Richmond supporter for too many years, and I've been burnt too many times. I simply don't trust this playing group with the same blind devotion as many here do. Yes 2017 and 2018 were great, but I look at our core of Rance, Jack, Cotchin, Martin and Hardwick, a core we have had for nearly a decade of football, and I can't just ignore all the times they came up short and let us down as supporters.

Many here seem to have confirmation bias, and look at 2017 and 2018 as the new norm, I look at it as an exception to the norm. Hate on me all you like but I'm just trying to be realistic about our situation. Our list was flawed in 2015, our list was flawed in 2016, anyone could see that, yes we popped up for a premiership but you can't just ignore those list deficiencies. This was always going to happen at some point where our ball pressure wasn't going to be able to compensate for our subpar ball skills. We played that way because we had to to win games (and it worked), not because we revolutionized modern footy.

Our list as it stands can't compete with a Collingwood or West Coast or GWS now that the game has moved back to skill and less strength in numbers. Hate on me all you like but that's just how I see it.

Probably because you’re account is 2 days old and you have posted 16 times. Just a guess though......old tiger......


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[Mark the Cuckerberg]

Probably because you’re account is 2 days old and you have posted 16 times. Just a guess though......old tiger......


Sent from my iPad using righteous Bhodi manpower

If you're looking at someone's post count rather than the content of the post then that probably says more about how you look at things rather than me.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

I'm not sure why I'm getting slaughtered just for trying to be realistic about our situation. Question my views, that's fine, but don't discredit me as a supporter just because I go against the norm.

Fact Is, I've been a Richmond supporter for too many years, and I've been burnt too many times. I simply don't trust this playing group with the same blind devotion as many here do. Yes 2017 and 2018 were great, but I look at our core of Rance, Jack, Cotchin, Martin and Hardwick, a core we have had for nearly a decade of football, and I can't just ignore all the times they came up short and let us down as supporters.

Many here seem to have confirmation bias, and look at 2017 and 2018 as the new norm, I look at it as an exception to the norm. Hate on me all you like but I'm just trying to be realistic about our situation. Our list was flawed in 2015, our list was flawed in 2016, anyone could see that, yes we popped up for a premiership but you can't just ignore those list deficiencies. This was always going to happen at some point where our ball pressure wasn't going to be able to compensate for our subpar ball skills. We played that way because we had to to win games (and it worked), not because we revolutionized modern footy.

Our list as it stands can't compete with a Collingwood or West Coast or GWS now that the game has moved back to skill and less strength in numbers. Hate on me all you like but that's just how I see it.

You aren’t a Richmond supporter, you’re someone on an alt account.

You wouldn’t have been banned otherwise.

If you want to voice an opinion on us, go on your real account and do it. Don’t pretend to be a concerned Richmond supporter.

 

[telsor]

If you're looking at someone's post count rather than the content of the post then that probably says more about how you look at things rather than me.

When the account is created tends to mean more.

New accounts posting strong dissenting statements often turn out to be alt accounts by opposition posters trolling our board.

You may well be legit, but it happens often enough that there is reasonable grounds to doubt your bona fides.

 

[Mark the Cuckerberg]

You aren’t a Richmond supporter, you’re someone on an alt account.

You wouldn’t have been banned otherwise.

If you want to voice an opinion on us, go on your real account and do it. Don’t pretend to be a concerned Richmond supporter.

Just curious how you determined that?

Been on BigFooty for a while, decided It was time to comment based on the current hysteria, and now that makes me not a Richmond supporter? Righto.

Again, attacking me as a poster rather than what the content of my posts probably says all you need to know about the insecurity surrounding Richmond at the moment...

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Think we should be investigating Eddie & Co for chemical warfare.

Must be gastro/food poisoning again. I’ve hardly left my bed since going to the game and haven’t been able to eat for 48 hours. [emoji88]

 

[Cdog71]

The other thing about Balta, if you imagine it in the context of the way the pies came out of defense.
He can cover more ground and compete in the air alot better than most.
If Rance had if been in the mix, thats about 30 mtr of space they wouldn’t have kicked to.
Balta would create a bit if uncertaintity if he was in.
IMO

 

[Lsta062]

GWS has injuries too. Kelly and Greene.

Well apparently they along with Mumford are set to come back in so their injuries would for once be more significant than theirs. They’d only have Ward and Patton out as significant injuries to their best 22 of these players do come in.

I really have a bad feeling about this game and I just don’t think our current players have shown enough drive to make me confident they’ll get close to GWS at Spotless Stadium.

 

[Del65166]

Just play him in a position he is more likely to excel in - novel I know.

I'd move him to wing. And Kmac back. Kmac looks better defensively. Having said that we may as well play Markov now. He needs another 2 or 3 games. He clunked 1 good mark, but other than that looked way off the pace. We are unlikely to win this one anyhow