Review Dogs Completely Out Coached By Beveridge: Lose Badly To Blues

[LondonBulldog]

As is the whole teams. My question is why are players now forbidden to put extra sessions in, having shots for goal in their spare time? All due to this sports science stuff? Matthew Lloyd, one of the best kicks for goal out there, says if you put extra practice in, it will improve. So why after 3 years have we not rectified this issue? It's unacceptable for AFL players to so consistently miss simple shots for goal. Put ANYONE on an AFL list for 5+ years and they shouldn't be missing from 20-25 out like our players do.

It’s not just set shots we can’t seem to nail the snap around the corner either. Basically players like Gowers should be on notice, unless conversion improves there isn’t a spot on the list.

 

[1961grandfinal]

Had since 2017 to fix these problems. Why do we pay coaches to fail?

1. Goal kicking. No team
Is worse in my memory.
2. Ruck. Play English as the cut out. In the mean time get a decent ruck.
3. Marking. Never seen a team so badly beaten in the air. Utterly predictable.
4. Kicking. Our field kicking is getting worse
5. Handballing. Horrible. Poor Bont has to scoop the ball off his laces and then get away every time.
7. Forward entries. Kicker needs to Ki k to space not on top of everyone's head.
Do they actually train? Doesn't look like it.

8. Kick in rule change. Let's have 3 months and do nothing about working out strategies to get the ball past the 50m arc after a kick in.

 

[ohhhBigMalcho]

from a neutrals point of view:

thought you were out coached today...why are you playing Bailey Williams as an inside mid when he showed a lot from half back last year. robs players like Libba and Dunkley midfield minutes which is there strength...same can be said of Gowers, you need targets to kick to down forward, it may be exciting to have him in midfield but just question some of the rotations and positioning of your players

 

[0utsider]

Who are our options for key defenders? Cordy is average, but servicable. However it's clear he's always going to be exposed as our big man down back. Do we bring Roberts back in? Persist with Lewis Young? Trengove?

One thing that's clear to me is that Wood is not the solution here. He is not a key defender and trying to force him to be one has been disastrous. How much longer are we going to keep throwing our captain around in different roles and positions? Has it occurred to the coaching staff that putting your captain in positions where he struggles is going to affect his confidence? And how does a low confidence captain affect the rest of the playing group, particular the young blokes?
Time to go back to basic from my perspective. Cordy plus one of Roberts, Trengove, Young (or Naughton moving back) and Wood playing his loose intercepting role.

 

[fronkalicious]

8. Kick in rule change. Let's have 3 months and do nothing about working out strategies to get the ball past the 50m arc after a kick in.

I ****in hate Caleb Daniel kicking in. Let JJ run and leg it out to the wing like other teams do.

 

[0utsider]

from a neutrals point of view:

thought you were out coached today...why are you playing Bailey Williams as an inside mid when he showed a lot from half back last year. robs players like Libba and Dunkley midfield minutes which is there strength...same can be said of Gowers, you need targets to kick to down forward, it may be exciting to have him in midfield but just question some of the rotations and positioning of your players

Bevo doesn't know if we're challenging for a flag or in a full scale rebuild, simple as that.

 

[0utsider]

I ****in hate Caleb Daniel kicking in. Let JJ run and leg it out to the wing like other teams do.

It's so ****ing pointless. I'm baffled that anyone could think it's an effective way of bringing the ball back in. He can barely kick it 40 metres.

 

[NBates]

Something extremely strange is going on at selection and with one or two posted alluding to punishment being a factor it makes a bit of sense.

I noticed Bevo quite pointedly referred to Trengove having been dropped pre season (as opposed to not being selected for round one) in a recent presser and it seems as though for some reason he and Lipinski are being made to seriously work for it.

It’s all a bit odd. I’m a Bevo fan but I do worry about his tendency to basically make a call on a player and not budge from it.

David Parkin said in radio that dropping a developing/new player after 2 games was not normal procedure from a coaching perspective and he wondered whether there was something else going on.
I just look at the current team performance together with Dalhaus wanting out and Stringer getting booted (Don't get me wrong on the latter, good riddance) and it worries me.

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[Del165892]

Who are our options for key defenders? Cordy is average, but servicable. However it's clear he's always going to be exposed as our big man down back. Do we bring Roberts back in? Persist with Lewis Young? Trengove?

One thing that's clear to me is that Wood is not the solution here. He is not a key defender and trying to force him to be one has been disastrous. How much longer are we going to keep throwing our captain around in different roles and positions? Has it occurred to the coaching staff that putting your captain in positions where he struggles is going to affect his confidence? And how does a low confidence captain affect the rest of the playing group, particular the young blokes?
Time to go back to basic from my perspective. Cordy plus one of Roberts, Trengove, Young (or Naughton moving back) and Wood playing his loose intercepting role.

It's harder to play a loose back now with 6/6/6

 

[_Mike_]

Hear what you are saying but it would be nice to have someone over 193cm in our backline.
The fact we let him and Adams go in one off season without bringing in another key defender is very poor list management IMO

I was under the impression we told Roughead he wasn’t going to be offered a new contract. My understanding was that he never wanted to go.

 

[Mattdougie]

For a supposed elite man manager he is certainly playing favourites, not a trait to be followed if you want to win. Then there is his snow white plan with the back six, that is going really well.

His man management isnt what it was.

That was his clear strength and now I think it’s a weakness.

I hear worrying stories of player unrest and I fear we may lose someone very very important due to it

 

[hutchy31]

Bevo doesn't know if we're challenging for a flag or in a full scale rebuild, simple as that.

If he thinks we’re challenging for a flag that would be extremely worrying. We’ve beaten two teams this year - both of whom look pretty iffy - and lost to two of the worst teams in the comp within a three week period both on our home deck.

He’s coaching and picking a team like we’re in a rebuild as well. Be interesting to see what happens when the teams come out this week.

 

[lachy]

Actually went to the game expecting to lose against a team that had yet to win a game.

It was down to team selection and not what alot have commented on.

Got into a debate last week about Lloyd. Thought he was poor yet agreed with Braybrook Son he was one of our better forwards. Why? If he was one of our better forwards with that performance we are on trouble.

I am probably still leading this years pieman. Not sure that is a great result as our forward 50 entries are worse than a reserves team I coached for 4years, they are deplorable.

There is not one replacement being named better than the encomebant.

There were those critical of supporters having us in the bottom 6. Do these people including me seem so wrong now?

I am unsure of the direction of the club onfield and off, the Ballarat experiment etc. I hope I am wrong but the narrative and story makes Melbourne from 2006 look strong.

We are in the bottom 4 of clubs now, beaten at home by Gold Coast and Carlton. Hopefully now some directional narrative will come from the club but I am not sure

 

[The Inbetweener]

I was under the impression we told Roughead he wasn’t going to be offered a new contract. My understanding was that he never wanted to go.

Yes I believe you are right. Think we pushed him out thinking we’d get third round compo.

 

[0utsider]

It's harder to play a loose back now with 6/6/6

Maybe so but his strengths are his athleticism, not man-on-man marking. I'd want to see him minding their 3rd/4th best forward and reading the play and peeling off to intercept. That's the type of player he is but for some reason we're trying to shoe-horn him into being a completely different player.

 

[Dogs Rule]

So depressing. Can you be done with a season five weeks in?

 

[WBFC2013]

Who are our options for key defenders? Cordy is average, but servicable. However it's clear he's always going to be exposed as our big man down back. Do we bring Roberts back in? Persist with Lewis Young? Trengove?

One thing that's clear to me is that Wood is not the solution here. He is not a key defender and trying to force him to be one has been disastrous. How much longer are we going to keep throwing our captain around in different roles and positions? Has it occurred to the coaching staff that putting your captain in positions where he struggles is going to affect his confidence? And how does a low confidence captain affect the rest of the playing group, particular the young blokes?
Time to go back to basic from my perspective. Cordy plus one of Roberts, Trengove, Young (or Naughton moving back) and Wood playing his loose intercepting role.

We play Freo next week who will structure up similarly with Tabener, Hogan and potentially McCarthy as tall forwards. We MUST play a minimum of 2 key backs, Naughton and Lew young / Roberts plus Cordy as 3rd cover. Release Wood / Crozier as the interceptors, and the run comes from JJ, Suckling, Daniel.
the week after is Richmond, with Lynch, Jack and Caddy, so the same logic applies.
or, do as we did this week and then blame the inaccuracy in front of goal as the reason why the Blues scored 100 points, McKay and Casbault took 16 marks and kicked 7 goals between them.

 

[Cam1967]

OK. So we'll all chuck in our memberships next year and you can go back to rattling tins again - although you were probably 2 years old then. A paying supporter (and let's face it we still need them all) can do wtf they like. I left 10 minutes into the last and I've held a membership ticket since I was 10 - that's only because it was free to get in under 10. You talk about tolerance - show some to ppl who have seen this all before and are fng sick of it.

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Thanks NBates, but it was probably warranted to a point.

I have been following the dogs for 50 plus years, a lot those as a member. I was with my wife and at half time, she could see I was frustrated and angry. She said lets go, have a coffee and relax somewhere. Glad she was there to do that, I was becoming an ugly supporter at that stage.

 

[0utsider]

We play Freo next week who will structure up similarly with Tabener, Hogan and potentially McCarthy as tall forwards. We MUST play a minimum of 2 key backs, Naughton and Lew young / Roberts plus Cordy as 3rd cover. Release Wood / Crozier as the interceptors, and the run comes from JJ, Suckling, Daniel.
the week after is Richmond, with Lynch, Jack and Caddy, so the same logic applies.
or, do as we did this week and then blame the inaccuracy in front of goal as the reason why the Blues scored 100 points, McKay and Casbault took 16 marks and kicked 7 goals between them.

Great point about Freo's forward line. If Mckay, Casboult and McGovern had that much fun against our backline Hogan, Taberner, Lobb and McCarthy will be rubbing their hands together. I think we persist with Cordy and add Young/Roberts plus Trengove playing back whenever he's not filling in for English in the ruck.

Cordy Roberts Wood
JJ Trengove Crozier

That has the making of a half decent backline. It at least has a decent structure even if the cattle leaves a bit to be desired.

 

[Mattdougie]

Believe it or not I rarely get angry at the footy.

I walk before it gets to that but I will walk out of a sh!t standard game we are winning than a good one we are losing.

 

[NBates]

Thanks NBates, but it was probably warranted to a point.

I have been following the dogs for 50 plus years, a lot those as a member. I was with my wife and at half time, she could see I was frustrated and angry. She said lets go, have a coffee and relax somewhere. Glad she was there to do that, I was becoming an ugly supporter at that stage.

No. Not warranted at all.

I actually went out at 1/4 time, grabbed a coffee and sat for 1/2 the quarter out there. Not simply hoping the boys would come back by that stage, but I was about to punch the lights out of the Norf supporter who sits behind me with his doggie in laws and yabbers on like an old woman for the whole game. And he hates us. Lol! I'm tempted to go to the club and see if I can change seats or if that fails take some headphones next time - large ones, so he gets the hint!!!

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[TheBont]

His man management isnt what it was.

That was his clear strength and now I think it’s a weakness.

I hear worrying stories of player unrest and I fear we may lose someone very very important due to it

Go on then hot shot
What's this stuff about player unrest go into some detail if you're going to say things like that.

 

[CDBulldog]

Taking out Schache just about trashed any forward structure we might have had and making Dunkley second ruck meant we got destroyed in the middle as well. Utterly f...n stupid.

It will be painful to watch at times, but can't we just leave Young, Schache and English in there are try to develop some KPP structures to work the game plan around?

Let's give them a chance to play.

Agree entirely. Just f***en play the big spine we have and let them develop. I’m sick of undersized teams going in against monsters. Would work if we played the super quick game but we don’t. So we have a slow and small side which, no surprise get monstored... Play players in their natural positions week in week out...I played a team sport to a reasonably elite level and can say with certainty that chopping and changing positions can be very difficult to adapt to. Successive coaches shifted me around and I struggled in different positions to the one I was developed in, all to accomodate other players in the side. In the end I reverted back to my “natural” position and (while it took a few games to reacquaint myself with the position, remembering where to run, where to stand, positioning with other defenders, building confidence in a position that was best suited to my attributes) I played much better. I just don’t get doing it week in week out. Time to drop wood. It’s over... Dickson too...if we are going to get beaten let’s do it with the team that could bring us glory in future. I say keep playing English but help him out with JT. Boyd back in as soon as he is available for structure. Lipa and Lynch to come in. Bring in Roberts. Some really bag him but I think hes actually a smart footballer. Not the quickest but very good positional player. Just what we need at the moment down back. Someone to control the backline because wood ain’t doing it. And I don’t get the hate on Cordy. Poor dude is not a Kpd. He’s better suited to the medium sized forward. Asking to play on the monsters is unfair on him....sorry to say but Jong should get a run, just to show some of the others what heart and soul looks like. Limited, absolutely, but tough as nails and this team needs a heavy dose of that....

 

[Mattdougie]

No. Not warranted at all.

I actually went out at 1/4 time, grabbed a coffee and sat for 1/2 the quarter out there. Not simply hoping the boys would come back by that stage, but I was about to punch the lights out of the Norf supporter who sits behind me with his doggie in laws and yabbers on like an old woman for the whole game. And he hates us. Lol! I'm tempted to go to the club and see if I can change seats or if that fails take some headphones next time - large ones, so he gets the hint!!!

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I’d turn around and tell him to shut the heck up

He may not but other people will probably back you if he is that annoying. If no luck then move lol

 

[Mattdougie]

Go on then hot shot
What's this stuff about player unrest go into some detail if you're going to say things like that.

Lol yeah ok I respond to that when u what to speak to me like that.

Enjoy your evening