Autopsy Rd 17 Surging Blues beat Swans on their own turf

[Blue and Blue]

What I'm really liking about Kennedy's form is that all six players that were drafted in 2015 in Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni and Kennedy have matured and are holding their own at AFL level. That's over a quarter of a team capable of playing seniors from one draft.
Next year it'll be the 2016 guys (SPS, Fisher, Setterfield etc) doing the same. Rebuilds take time but this one is going well.

I noticed yesterday. For the first time Fish has a chest and shoulders. It was really evident from behind.
Russell and his team and the coaches are transforming our players into lean mean fighting machines.

 

[Wily trout]

Yeah, I was at the game and it wasn't just his tackling that impressed me, it was his overall hardness which is very different from what we were seeing from Murph earlier in the year. I wonder what's changed?

He was tackling like a madman. When he was involved in the tackle on Jones, in the second I think, Murph was holding a lock on one of his arms and this numpty Swans supporter started yelling ' ******* chicken wing you b-----d, I hope you get smashed ya little p---k' Then the big mouth looks around and notices for the first time that he is seated in the only part of the stands where Swans supporters were heavily outnumbered by Blues fans. He didn't say much after that.

 

[Funk]

David Teague has magical training wheels

And eats fairy bread for breakfast???

 

[Iamcarlton]

You mean like other coaches such as Thompson, Hardwick, Buckley where their clubs backed them, while many were calling for heads to roll?

When will people understand that coaches play such a minimal role, when talent players mature and a team rises base on natural ability

Think its documented in particular of Hardwick and Buckley that they delegated responsibility to their assistant coaches much more than what has seemed to be or possibly was with Bolton and his assistants .
So if you have a coach that is not prepared to listen to ideas and instead stick to plans that were clearly not working on game day then coaches can indeed have a big impact for the worse .
Still only a small sample but the proof of the impact of a coach is seemingly playing out right before our eyes...

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Got to be Beethoven BW.......

Good comparison, my minds a bit blank today for some reason. Might be due to yesterdays celebrations.

 

[HBF]

You might be onto something windows.

He’s pretty good at escaping from tricky and tight situations......our own Harry Houdini.

And he uses the footy so well. Might a newer version Heath Scotland

 

[Robbo's my hero]

It was an ugly day - windy as f*** up here.

So windy that neither club could put their pre-match banners up.

Yes I heard that on the TV last night. It was a very windy day in Melbourne as well. Only the Docklands for good footy yesterday.

 

[Arr0w]

Think its documented in particular of Hardwick and Buckley that they delegated responsibility to their assistant coaches much more than what has seemed to be or possibly was with Bolton and his assistants .
So if you have a coach that is not prepared to listen to ideas and instead stick to plans that were clearly not working on game day then coaches can indeed have a big impact for the worse .
Still only a small sample but the proof of the impact of a coach is seemingly playing out right before our eyes...

And after their reviews, they made alterations, but in the first 4 years they weren't performing, supposedly

Then, as their groups matured, built cohesion, results were more consistent

Is Teague a better coach than Fagan, Lyons and Longmire, given we beat those sides, or is it perhaps this group is starting to click?

I love the attack style under Teague, but he is coaching for the now, without fear of the state of his position

Bolton was coaching for the future and the losses, short term was to his detriment, but not the groups detriment long term

 

[HBF]

Sign Jack now pls

2 yrs min

I'm sure his dad will look after him

 

[RudyBlue]

I do like Kennedy up forward. Seems to be a good kick for goal. That's what we need in the forward half. Strong bodied. What I like about our forwards at the moment is they are getting hit up at times with some great passes but they are holding the ball in at stoppages in the forward half. Jack started the trend and Kennedy is more than cut out for that role. Some games its hard enough getting it down there. A feature of our games earlier in the year was when we did venture forward it came out pretty quickly and sometimes coast to coast for our opponents. We still have some work to do on that. Happened on occasion against Sydney yesterday.

Silvagni and Kennedy = Hamill and Hickmott?

 

[chelseacarlton]

Who do you musically compare Walsh to, B&B?

Off the top of my head, Parliament, Pavement, Paul Weller, Polvo, Prince, Pink Floyd, PJ Harvey, Primal Scream, Psychedelic Furs.... ain’t even finished with the letter P for Princes Park!

 

[footyfan1978]

I'm sure his dad will look after him

Dad won't be involved in specifics of his sons own contract at our club.
He made that quite clear even before we drafted him.

 

[skadoosh]

I wouldn't go that far BUT I do believe that coaches these days way "over coach". Teach them the basics, have a game plan and some game day tactics and let them play. Back them in. I believe Fagan is like that and Shaw & Teague have done that since taking over.

IMO many coaches over complicate the game

This.
Footy is not chess where you can sit and think for minutes on end .

The actual game is all about intensity, execution and effort, where each small individual moment and split second can make a difference.

Players need to play with freedom, and within a team dynamic. They need to be positioned in a role which is clearly defined. Whether you're half forward or half back you know your basic game plan and not trying to remember a calculus formula.

 

[ShanDog]

Yep paddy dow really let himself down today in this regard.
I cop a kid having a quiet game playing up forward but he applied 0 defensive pressure, refused to chase and didnt lay a tackle. Looks like chris judd when he has the ball running towards goal. Looks like Brock Mclean when the oppo has it!

Disagree - saw him chasing hard a few times as they rebounded from our F50. Made a mental note to post about that but forgot until now.

 

[Blue and Blue]

And after their reviews, they made alterations, but in the first 4 years they weren't performing, supposedly

Then, as their groups matured, built cohesion, results were more consistent

Is Teague a better coach than Fagan, Lyons and Longmire, given we beat those sides, or is it perhaps this group is starting to click?

I love the attack style under Teague, but he is coaching for the now, without fear of the state of his position

Bolton was coaching for the future and the losses, short term was to his detriment, but not the groups detriment long term

I don't think its as simple as Bolton coached for tomorrow and Teague for today.
Bolts was trying his hardest to get wins. It just wasn't happening and the players futures under that weight of expectation began to come under scrutiny and everyone forgot the reality of youth and injury.
It was getting too hot in the fire so Bolton got the chop because thats football.

I have no doubt that Teague was already in the frame as a cut above and it was a no lose opportunity to try him out.
Fair to say that no-one could have predicted whats happened since.

 

[HBF]

yeah, just you two.....

Do you ever sleep?

 

[ShanDog]

I'll give one.

5 holding the man free kicks to Sydney at stoppages. How many for Carlton you ask? 0. That soft one to Papley who slotted the goal is usually one that sets off a momentum change and we lose the game.

Cripps scragged at every stoppage and Rampe held McKay in nearly every marking contest they had.

So fu** them, we won anyway!

Whoever is in charge of the Carlton Twitter account also thought it was a bit shit lol

 

[Soapy V]

Silvagni and Kennedy = Hamill and Hickmott?

Replace Kennedy with Charlie at FF do we look better?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I'm sure his dad will look after him

Good point. Somebody better count the zero's on his new 5 year deal.

 

[Espio]

In our round 3 match Sydney destroyed us with run and chain handball through the corridor.

We noticeably took that avenue off them yesterday for the most part.

Great development or changed game plan?


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[Iamcarlton]

And after their reviews, they made alterations, but in the first 4 years they weren't performing, supposedly

Then, as their groups matured, built cohesion, results were more consistent

Is Teague a better coach than Fagan, Lyons and Longmire, given we beat those sides, or is it perhaps this group is starting to click?

I love the attack style under Teague, but he is coaching for the now, without fear of the state of his position

Bolton was coaching for the future and the losses, short term was to his detriment, but not the groups detriment long term

Believe there was also a review done last year at our club so did we have a coach that was helping or hindering our progress as a team on game day .
Was our coaching under bolton encouraging team progress ?
Genuine talent individually will make incremental improvements under any coach as they mature as you say and I agree but as a team we were playing as individuals reliant on basically 2 players Cripps and Kruezer .
Totally different team now that doesn't seem to be reliant on individuals with a much more even spread of contributions and yes seems to be clicking rather coincidentally under a new coach .
Im still not sold on Teague as we still have 6 games to go and plenty to play out yet but the evidence is mounting that Bolton wasn't the man to take us forward .

 

[HBF]

From the blueseum

Blueseum - History of the Carlton Football Club | Peter Motley

Blueseum: History of the Carlton Football Club

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Now in my opinion that understates how good mots was. He was the Buddy Holly of football.

Some say that he could have been the best out of the 3 we got from SA at the end of 85.

 

[HBF]

True, but with Selwood, Ablett and Dangerfield all carrying niggles at the moment and playing with some duress and Hawkins also down recently (his back again??) giving some of these players an extended rest to really freshen up (also not risk losing them) might be on the cards.

Just not sure if Geelong would want to their players two weeks off, particularly if they win week 1.

 

[Arr0w]

I don't think its as simple as Bolton coached for tomorrow and Teague for today.
Bolts was trying his hardest to get wins. It just wasn't happening and the players futures under that weight of expectation began to come under scrutiny and everyone forgot the reality of youth and injury.
It was getting too hot in the fire so Bolton got the chop because thats football.

I have no doubt that Teague was already in the frame as a cut above and it was a no lose opportunity to try him out.
Fair to say that no-one could have predicted whats happened since.

Of course Bolton wanted wins, but do you think playing Ed forward and Murphy on a wing and playing the kids in guts he was looking for the short term?

I think Bolton took it to the extreme, but he was certainly looking longterm

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Off the top of my head, Parliament, Pavement, Paul Weller, Polvo, Prince, Pink Floyd, PJ Harvey, Primal Scream, Psychedelic Furs.... ain’t even finished with the letter P for Princes Park!

Jesus, when you get going, your unstoppable. But I have thought of one! Saw 'em about a year ago and they're just like Walshy. Sublime.