Bluemour Discussion Thread XVIII - Please Sir, Can We Have More?

[SurreyBlue]

News form Paddington Sydney!!

The people you bump into in the strangest places!!

Sydney all over Daniher( no surprises), they need us to do the deal, SOS will hold strong on this one I’m hearing because he wants next years 1st for someone else...
Betts can’t get out of Adelaide quick enough...
AFL screwed us with Cogs, he was out the door...

Yep and we need to return fire!!!!! Big time!!!

 

[VainGlorious]

goreds goes ****ing

 

[Aphrodite]

News form Paddington Sydney!!

The people you bump into in the strangest places!!

Sydney all over Daniher( no surprises), they need us to do the deal, SOS will hold strong on this one I’m hearing because he wants next years 1st for someone else...
Betts can’t get out of Adelaide quick enough...
AFL screwed us with Cogs, he was out the door...

Not surprised at all.

 

[Matty411]

News form Paddington Sydney!!

The people you bump into in the strangest places!!

Sydney all over Daniher( no surprises), they need us to do the deal, SOS will hold strong on this one I’m hearing because he wants next years 1st for someone else...
Betts can’t get out of Adelaide quick enough...
AFL screwed us with Cogs, he was out the door...

Love the info, gr. Good to hear Swans really want JD. In isolation, they'd be more likely to push for extra with Papley. But if they're relying on us for the pick and salary to get their guy, might mean SOS gets his man for the price we want.

Only concern would be that if this goes late into trade period, it might diminish our ability to get this someone else (I have my guesses).

Any insight on Betts > us or is that inferred by your comment? My strong opinion is that the Crows' "he's not on the trade table" is their transparent way of backpedaling to try and seem like they're trying to hold onto him. Hopefully we snag him for a 4th of 5th rounder, with them footing some of the bill.

The Cogs stuff makes your blood boil, though everyone out there just says its tinfoil hat thinking. Nothing good will come of pushing the case, so just need to move onto our next big target and Steve can watch our rise from the sidelines, perhaps thinking in 12-18m "I bloody should have just gone".

 

[zeggie]

Is SOS leaving? Don’t remember when Agresta (if ever) did any media rounds.


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Well Agresta is the List Manager now. Nothing unusual there.

 

[Kramer1]

Yeah great listen, Agresta seems like a man who knows what he is doing.

I liked how adamant he was that DeKonning is a ruck, plus his confidence in Stocker.

Jesus christ Mick...give them something...

 

[SammaGilberto]

Only 32 days until it all kicks off folks! If we get Betts back I'll be that happy oh my Lord, even if it's only 1-2years can't underestimate what he'll bring to our off field and as a mentor to the young fellas. Bring it on!

 

[Matty411]

Dude, your post is awesome and you beat me by hours!

Aren't I the idiot?*










* Note: this does not require a response....

I mean...

Not an idiot, mate!

Let's hug it out.

 

[Blue Pride]

SOS isn't prickly... he just has a very low tolerance for dickheads!

Hence there is no point having him deal with media.

Reid was different, that was for fun

 

[agro]

Gee we’re going to make a play for Whitfield.

How many $1 million players can GWS fit on their list?

Oh yeah that’s right Gil, you’re comfortable with a plethora

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

This turned out much longer than expected, but:

• List management
  • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
  • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
  • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
  • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
  • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
  • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
  • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
  • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
• Team/list
  • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
  • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
• Players
  • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
  • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
  • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
  • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
  • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
  • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
  • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
  • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
  • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
• Draft
  • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
  • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
  • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
  • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
  • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
  • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
• Targets:
  • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
  • We have been linked to everyone….haha
  • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
  • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
  • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
  • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
  • How we pitch players: it varies player to player

(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.

NiceWork

 

[Matty411]

I'll pay that one, ferrisb but next time, mate - please refrain from sending condescending memes my way.

 

[HARKER]

News form Paddington Sydney!!
The people you bump into in the strangest places!!
Sydney all over Daniher( no surprises), they need us to do the deal, SOS will hold strong on this one I’m hearing because he wants next years 1st for someone else...
Betts can’t get out of Adelaide quick enough...
AFL screwed us with Cogs, he was out the door...

Yes. We'd live to regret letting go of the 2020 first for Papley or Wines.

Still want to get Papley though.......SOS can do it.

 

[Blue since 72]

I am a little concerned at Teague's insistence that he sit in on interviews at the combine. Coaches can come to different conclusions than people whose job it is to find talent when it's nebulous, and the friction between the head coach and people who are not the head of their department could lead to Teague winning arguments he probably shouldn't be a part of.

If this is not the case - if he's in the meetings just as an observer, and provides input when asked - then all good; I'd probably prefer someone who is in charge of development to be an observer rather than the head coach, but that's just me.

I'm the opposite tbh.

The relationship piece is such a big thing and the head coach should be involved and be allowed to get comfortable with the character of potential draftees. I assume he would primarily observe but may ask the odd question of an interviewee.

Nothing better than face to face when assessing a potential employee.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

Not surprised at all.

*retracted*

There definitely wasn't a picture of Gil laughing here.

 

[Blue since 72]

I hate data analytics in sport.

I hate an over reliance on data analytics in anything.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Trying to force his price up, stating he is a required player

It’s a little like the ‘free transfer’ in soccer. If Eddie wants out the Crows should let him go without playing games. He’s given them good enough service to deserve that outcome.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

SOS isn't prickly... he just has a very low tolerance for dickheads!

No way he’d post on big footy then!

 

[Doro]

Drive up the price, further stretch the salary cap and take Zac Williams instead. Both free agents.

Yep, his zip in defence would improve us as well.

 

[Kramer1]

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Been bothering me for a while, but finally worked out who Gil reminds me of...

 

[Gethelred]

I'm the opposite tbh.

The relationship piece is such a big thing and the head coach should be involved and be allowed to get comfortable with the character of potential draftees. I assume he would primarily observe but may ask the odd question of an interviewee.

Nothing better than face to face when assessing a potential employee.

Sure.

Our problem with Ratts was that he simply tried to do too many things. He was involved with recruitment, fitness, strategy, line coaching, development. Most of the growth in the AFL over the past 20 years has come from specialisation, having experts in specific areas working in those areas and reporting to someone in charge on their progress instead of having someone try to do everything. I'm concerned, because we have a history of rejecting attempts to change the club, to modernise and to do things the right way, and this could very well be a bit of a regression to that.

We've gotten so much right since MLG took over, hired Trigg and SOS and Bolton, moving two of those three on when what was needed from the position changed. I am worried that the promise of incipient success might lull the club into a false sense of security that they might slip back into bad habits. If I had more trust for the club, I would be less concerned, but I still do not think they've quite earned it yet.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Yes please, Zac Williams is a gun

Bobby. You covet like a mad man.

 

[goreds]

Yes. We'd live to regret letting go of the 2020 first for Papley or Wines.

Still want to get Papley though.......SOS can do it.

How about both.

 

[Wickzki]

AFL screwed us with Cogs, he was out the door...

AFL paying him more to play for GWS than GWS is (and it's not even close). That's how screwed that situation is.

 

[Aphrodite]

How about both.