Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[Fat Kent]

Craig Cameron isn’t paying 1m for Martin on a one year deal.

Everyone breath. The most likely thing that happens is the Clubs find a way for both teams to ‘win’ from here in pick swaps. Then GC DFA him.

Eg: our 9, 43 and next years second for their 15 and 20 this year. That’s ~2625-2725 out for us and 2024 in. Obvs in their favour because it should be (to allow free passage of Martin). That’s only an EG to demonstrate a point. Could involve 11 next year. Anything really.

Could on trade 15 and 20 for other picks, bundle with our next year’s picks, whatever.

In the cool light of day they will sort this out for all parties. Thankfully the AfL will turn a blind eye. Just need to give them somehting and I think that’s 9. And we need to get something and I think that’s a smaller points differential.

Isn’t that hard.

I like your thinking. Until Melbourne jump in.

Edit: He'd be a DFA. Perfect!

 

[Blue Ratts]

My get is, we believe in what we have and weren't prepared to sell the farm. Maybe Martin is still a get, maybe not. If it all works out we will get him bargain basement. Its not a be all end all trade year. We are coming and players are taking notice. Betts is actually a really smart move because it will prove a point to all small forwards what our talls can deliver to smalls next yr. Betts will kick lots of goals and his engagement with all is priceless. We are already into these players, re Papley. Its a ****ing big picture and even though hoping for a few miracles this trade period, I still believe we have a great list going forward and that list will entice more players wanting to play for CFC

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

My god, that is unbelievable.....they really have a board???

Yeah they do. They even managed to call me names and suggest that Im an alcoholic who had been dropped on my head at birth. They made me feel sad.

 

[zeggie]

Courage takes many forms, and in this case, I think the "brave" thing to do was take that deal.

2 of the ITKs said Papley was still go until the dying moments of the trade period. Downgrading 9 kills any Papley deal.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Interesting post, when our terms were fine, your club just didn't land Daniher and shot both of us in the foot.

The sticking point was you wanted 25 in return. Imo 9 on its own would've got the deal done regardless if Daniher came or not. Even if Essendon hypothetically accepted 5+9, that's us essentially giving away 5+papley+25 for Daniher which is nuts.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

People saying Craig Cameron's final offer for Martin was terrible for us... I am not so sure. I think it was clever.

The final offer (remembering that the Papley deal was already dead) was 15 and Martin, for 9 and our future second. We have been saying all along that Martin was only worth a future second, and that was what we were offered... if we were prepared to downgrade 9 to 15 this year.

Courage takes many forms, and in this case, I think the "brave" thing to do was take that deal. Yes, the downgrade of our 2019 first would have been a hit, but not a big one, in a draft people seem to rate as weak. What we would have gained is the knowledge, across the industry, that if you are UNcontracted and you nominate Carlton, we'll get you over the line. Instead, we chose to sustain reputational damage in favour of getting Martin for "free"... but there is always a cost, even if our PSD ploy is successful.

Silvagni chose to "stand firm", but in this instance, I think that was the soft option. Sometimes you need to give ground to get what you want, and retain the faith of those (like Martin) who trusted you, rather than trying to be the "hard man" 100% of the time.

So once GCS realised that the Papley deal wasn't going down, they up their price because we still have pick #9 that they now want...and we just accept that? How is that brave?

Ellis did the same thing after the Cogs deal fell over, and upped his asking price to us as a FA because he knew we had the money to spend....we told him politely to gagf....and rightly so.

Anyway, worse comes to worse, we just pick Martin up as a FA in 2020.

 

[ihavenoname]

Have to get players like Dow and Fish back into the middle, maybe not at every bounce but 6-7 times a game each, to get some line-breaking going forward. Even if Dow can fix his kicking a little, he will be a bloody good player. We need a mix of experience and youth in the middle. Bolton was too much one way, and Teague can't become too much the other.

You would almost consider bringing Daisy back given we clearly didn't fill the list spots we expected. You could do MUCH worse.

Should seriously consider Harley B. Could be our Stack or Pickett. Huge upside, and I think our players are mature enough to call him out if he didn't come in 100% serious.

Maybe just having Eddie alone will be enough to straighten us up, up forward. There isn't a lack of talent in our forward line, just a lack of intrinsic structure.

Plus players like Cunners, JSOS, Kennedy (assuming he stays forward), maybe Fisher, and hopefully Owies can and should become good enough and consistent enough to fill the other holes.

Still bullish about where we are headed. Couple of smart moves from SOS and co. can still set us up from here. Best thing, now they don't know we're coming, because most people think we've ****ed up.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The sticking point was you wanted 25 in return. Imo 9 on its own would've got the deal done regardless if Daniher came or not. Even if Essendon hypothetically accepted 5+9, that's us essentially giving away 5+papley+25 for Daniher which is nuts.

We wanted the Jones pick at the end. You guys weren't going to do it without Daniher and I think we can agree that Essendon were the ones not living in the real world.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Mate I know you’re enamoured with a certain poster, but I take all of them with a grain of salt.
The last few weeks has proven this.
No one is certain of what’s going on, and anyone can make shit up.

Taking them with a grain of salt is a must imo. However, the credentials of barass have gone up another notch after today if you ask me. He called that Martin was likely heading to psd early in the day. His info is very good.

 

[SaltPeter]

It’s a long held theoretical point. Many good lawyers believe if any player challenged the draft and trade system in court they’d win on the basis it is a restraint of trade. Ie: at the end of your contract you’re a free agent - just like any other employee in any other industry.

Because of that noise the Afl doesn’t like uncontracted players being held captive. A world where Martin chooses to leave GC after 7 years only to be forcibly returned there is a disaster for the AFl.

Just won’t happen.

Its an interesting argument.

Another example is that Nick Stevens chose to go into the PSD rather than re-sign with the Power. In that instance Carlton drafted him, though his destination club was Collingwood.

At the end of the day the players contracts are held by the AFL, and the AFL funds the clubs on their player payments.

 

[mrjones]

Yep.

AFL have f***ed us over royally.

I reckon someone slapped Gil to within an inch of his life as child - with a Carlton doll.

He has f**ked us over every chance he’s had.

The Coniglio screw over and now giving GCS so many picks they only want high R1 picks in any trade.

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to live up to the thread title.
I can sleep easy now.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Why 5 freaking weeks ago was every one asking ITK'S what the info was and now beating with a big stick? Watch the trading, its not definite. its the inside whispers of the time, its fluid and ever evolving. I personally give thanks to all the inside whispers. you know who you are. Please keeps the inside info coming.

 

[Sam The Doc]

He wants to play with Eddie.

Hope so

 

[zyzzbruh]

We wanted the Jones pick at the end. You guys weren't going to do it without Daniher and I think we can agree that Essendon were the ones not living in the real world.

Essendons idiocy aside. I honestly don't think papley to Carlton was dependant on Daniher getting to us. That's just the bs media narrative trying to make a story by putting 2 and 2 together. Papley asked for a trade, and I think we were respectfully more than willing to accommodate that if we got a fair price for what he's worth. A pick upgrade from 25 to 9 was just never going to get that done.

 

[windows1]

How can pick swaps now happen isn’t that window now closed as of 7.30pm?

It’s only the trading of players that has stopped.

Pick swaps can continue.

 

[Limestone]

So much entitled angst, mostly from posters who haven't shown their faces in months. Sad fairweathers throwing silly tantrums.

Dodo wouldn't trade Daniher, so Sydney had no motivation to trade a contracted Papley. Sucks, but the only out for us was offerring to overpay spectacularly (second first rounder?) in the hopes Sydney would bite. Reckon the same people complaining about missing Papley would have been up in arms if we overpaid.

We've got a clear out with Martin. He nominates for the PSD with a fat 1 year salary, which neither Gold Coast nor Melbourne have the cap space to match. We get him for free, and then he extends on minimum coin.

So we walk away with Betts, Pittonet, hopefully Martin, and definitely Pick 9. We have a handful of later picks which can still be traded to move up the draft if we want. And the only future pick we've lost is a fourth rounder.

It's not an awe-inspiring trade period, but 9, Martin, Betts, Pittonet is still a step in the right direction.

So true , I don’t post much, but I’m thinking , “ who the **** are all these posters I have never seen before”. Some people aren’t happy unless their sad and angry I suppose. Oh well, their problem, life’s too short.

 

[gab213]

Why 5 freaking weeks ago was every one asking ITK'S what the info was and now beating with a big stick? Watch the trading, its not definite. its the inside whispers of the time, its fluid and ever evolving. I personally give thanks to all the inside whispers. you know who you are. Please keeps the inside info coming.

The people venting at the ITKs need to have a look in a mirror to see the person who is really to blame for the way they are feeling right now.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why 5 freaking weeks ago was every one asking ITK'S what the info was and now beating with a big stick? Watch the trading, its not definite. its the inside whispers of the time, its fluid and ever evolving. I personally give thanks to all the inside whispers. you know who you are. Please keeps the inside info coming.

Actually, I'd applaud them if they didn't tell us anything at all. As a board, we don't deserve it and we will all find out what's what at trade time anyway.

 

[windows1]

I like your thinking. Until Melbourne jump in.

Edit: He'd be a DFA. Perfect!

Can’t jump in if he is DFa
And Pickens up by us before psd even comes into play

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Essendons idiocy aside. I honestly don't think papley to Carlton was dependant on Daniher getting to us. That's just the bs media narrative trying to make a story by putting 2 and 2 together. Papley asked for a trade, and I think we were respectfully more than willing to accommodate that if we got a fair price for what he's worth. A pick upgrade from 25 to 9 was just never going to get that done.

What you think and what Charlie Gardiner emphatically said, and what Silvagni said he was emphatically told are two different things.

Nice try to pin the non-trade on us but we can move on from that now I think.

 

[Fat Kent]

Can’t jump in if he is DFa
And Pickens up by us before psd even comes into play

Shhhh I edited already.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

I just can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on hear tonight!
I'm not too sure what to make of things to be honest but I'm not going to put anybody down or play guess the facts.
Like you, I have no official capacity with the CFC.
It's late, it's been a long 9 days. Go to bed, tomorrow is a new day.

 

[Cripptonite]

Essendons idiocy aside. I honestly don't think papley to Carlton was dependant on Daniher getting to us. That's just the bs media narrative trying to make a story by putting 2 and 2 together. Papley asked for a trade, and I think we were respectfully more than willing to accommodate that if we got a fair price for what he's worth. A pick upgrade from 25 to 9 was just never going to get that done.

FWIW we would have offered Pick 9 straight up. One of our best ITK’s confirmed that once Daniher was out of play, Sydney asked for “much more than Pick 9”. Obviously the Swans had to sell any Papley trade as a clear “win” to their supporters, otherwise it would have looked like a defeat. A shame as most here would love Papley to be a blue including SOS since he spent at least 6 months chasing him.

 

[blueblooded]

The rubbish i’m Reading here seriously.
If SOS name wasn’t SOS most -99% - would be livid with the outcome.

the media and wider football public will not be kind tomorrow and it will all be fair criticism.

2 players that would have made a massive difference to our team and what’s the bet that all it would have taken was pick 9 for Papley in isolation and a 6 pick downgrade for Martin (if the future second was a requirement also I would have done it in a heartbeat) ??

We can all say what we want - we turned down the possibility of getting Ollie wines into the club -
And we still hold the picks that would have got that deal done as well. Fail an absolute miserable fail. Banked cap space for nothing!

SOS has been too stubborn here ..sometimes you just need to pay more than you want ... when you’ve got the currency especially!

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

It’s a long held theoretical point. Many good lawyers believe if any player challenged the draft and trade system in court they’d win on the basis it is a restraint of trade. Ie: at the end of your contract you’re a free agent - just like any other employee in any other industry.

Because of that noise the Afl doesn’t like uncontracted players being held captive. A world where Martin chooses to leave GC after 7 years only to be forcibly returned there is a disaster for the AFl.

Just won’t happen.

It would be interesting if Martin quit the club, and publicly stated he won't be going back there, before nominating for the PSD.

Where would that leave them given they have the first pick in the PSD?

Either way, if it were to happen, we'd likely offer him that huge contract that would put him out of reach anyway....and with Melbourne spending all their pocket money the past few years to get May, Lever, Tomlinson and Langdon, they wouldn't be able to match.