Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[Blue Pulse]

It's amazing all the hearsay and grumblings on here with regards to what was offered and what was reportedly offered, who wins and who loses. A lot of reporters going with Sydney only offered 5 or 9 and 2nd rounder for Joe, someone has just written Harley has said 5&9. *FC were never going to give him up as they feel he is their golden ticket.

SOS only offered this and that and should have done this, unless your SOS's right hand person let's put away the speculation.

 

[KohPhi]

Now can we have the GIF version of yesterday?

I'm still trying to find enough 'the world is ending' gifs fo fill it!

 

[FRUMPY]

Papley - If Pick 9 would have got it done and we didn't offer it then that imo is a bad mistake and bloody mindedness not to go the extra half a yard. If however he just wasn't for sale in the end, then nothing we could do.

ah, no - wasn't available to trade

 

[I bleed Blue]

Dodo on Sen. We weren't interested in 5&9 we wanted players.

Now denying swans offered 5&9 despite Harley saying they did 10 mins ago.

 

[AB_Blue]

Pick 9 was in the table for Joe so we did our bit

See you next year Paps


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[gandaal]

So is everyone over there little tanty's now... finished tossing the toys out of the pram?

Good... SOS has responded well to what was basically an attempted strong arm effort from GC17, and by extension the AFL, to hand over another top 10 pick to good old Gold Coast.

SOS offered up a number of good deals to GC17, who was apparently under instructions from the AFL to be harder at the negotiating table. But it helps to be tough at the negotiating table when you are in a position of strength. Unfortunately for them, they were trying to be tough negotiators from a position of weakness. Martin is uncontracted and will now be pi**ed off with GC17 because of the stupid stance that they took... especially after trading Ah Chee for two 2020 picks... I'm sure you all know which rounds they are in. SOS looked at their final offer and told them to pound sand before walking out of the room laughing at their weak efforts.

Mind you, he came across as a bit perturbed with both GC17's list manager and that stupid twat from * who basically wasted the whole trade period for us and pretty much for Shitney. Mind you, he did screw Dodoro over when he got pick 57 and 70 for Phillips and 61 and 72. Shit, I would have taken pick 70 on it's own for Phillips after doing a Grigg on us.

As for the deal with Shitney for Papley, it was always going to be dependent on the Daniher trade and when that collapsed, Shitney no longer needed pick 9 so the Papley deal died in the arse. What sort of deadshit a-hole wants 2 first round picks for a guy who has hardly got on the field in the last 2 years... oh that's right... it's Dodoro. I'm certain that the guy cooks his own bread at home every day... a bit of a master baker if you will.

Now, I've heard a whole lot of "what about plan B" on Farcebook and on Twitter... we should have taken Butler... or Cutler... why didn't we look at some other small forward? Scak SOS... this has been a failure of a trade period!

Why?

Butler has played 22 games in the last 2 years... and has only played 45 games over the course of his 5 season career so far! Butler kicked 53 goals from his 45 games at Premiershipmond... massive!
Cutler has played a whopping 66 games in 6 seasons at the paddlepops and only played 3 games this year. He has kicked a whopping 32 goals... in 66 matches.

Lewis Taylor... 112 games, 88 goals, 5 games this year.
Callum Ah Chee... 45 games, 24 goals. 1 game this year.

There is a reason why all 4 of those guys went for late picks and played bugger all games this year... they are not A grade small forwards.

Eddie had a poor year by his standards... he played 21 games and kicked 37 goals. If we want an experienced depth small forward... we could always pick up Jeffy as a DFA.

Now... I don't know about you lot, but I am actually pretty happy that we walked out of the trade period with a good backup to Kreuzer for bugger all, and we also got back Eddie for 12 months to act as a player/mentor. I'm also happy that GC17 have managed to screw themselves with Martin because he is out of contract and will walk into the PSD and probably as for a 12 month 1.2 million dollar contract. Out of GC17, the Dees and us... Carlton are the only team that can afford that sort of contract. I'm not saying that we would be so crass as to tamper with the PSD and get Martin to screw his old club... but fu** it... they have 4 top 20 picks. If they can't pick up some serious talent with that lot, they need to offer SOS 2 million a year to go to the Gold Coast for 3 years and rebuild their entire list.

 

[El Topo]

FWIW I think we should have followed St Kilda's approach and split our pick 9 after a set time for Swans to agree to a deal. If that means less currency for the Daniher deal that's their problem - particularly given that he doesn't seem to have been gettable in the first place.

SOS still has time to stick the landing from here but it will take a combination of savvy drafting, PSD brinkmanship and Agresta state league magic to salvage the 2019 post-season.

 

[CGilly]

The revisionists are trying their hardest but this was nothing but a terrible outcome for us. It doesn't matter if Daniher didn't get done - Papley nominated us, everyone said it was a done deal, and we didn't get him. We just have to hope it was the Swans that kept him stranded and not us, so he isn't bitter about coming next year. We'll have to wait until November to know if we get Martin or not. The entire basis of the pick swap with Adelaide was that we'd trade this pick for a proven player, and we haven't... that trade can now only be seen as a failure. I don't think anyone should be devastated, but it's very disappointing because I absolutely believe there are list managers out there who could have got these deals done, SOS clearly isn't one of them

 

[jd2010]

Whilst I'll never 'ITK bash' because;
1) it's the internet, and I never put much credence into much of what I read on the internet
2) I am genuinely entertained by their posts and the subsequent discussions it produces

I do agree with assessment that it comes across as more than just rumours by the way they are written.

There's subtle differences though. There is the genuine 'heard this from someone, make of it what you will' type like this...

Big fish in the works. May not get both paps and Martin if we land it. Elite midfielder. Don't ask who the player is.
Source: past multiple premiership player and inner sanctum member.

Nothing wrong here. Insinuates much, but really says little. No harm done.

then there's this type, a poster posting something they've heard along with their own assumption. Nothing definitive, no harm done..

There's something big brewing. I'm still confident it involves Gaff (or atleast to that caper of talent). That's what I'm hearing.

Then there are these types. Not a rumour as such, but a definitive statement. It's these ones that make it sound like gospel.

An agreement has been reached between all 3 clubs
Daniher to sydney
Papley to Carlton
2x first rounders to Ess
There will be an upgrade from a 3rd to a 2nd which we will ultimately land us Martin

Martin and Betts will be done
He will be BOUND BY BLUE .......(Papley)

It will happen. Just hang in there. (Martin)

Papley will also 100% get done.

Martin deal is done... agreed on a couple of options depending on what happens with Papley.

Unless Papley falls through, won't happen (Wines). Papley won't fall through.

Add Tom Papley and Jack Martin while your at it. Welcome to Carlton

These examples above are the types of 'rumours' that I believe, cause most of the angst amongst many here. They are written in a way that promotes them as facts, not rumours.

Now let me reiterate, I'm not having a go at any ITK posters, as they genuinely may be posting info they've heard, but maybe the lesson out of this is preface the posts with 'this is what I've heard' 'as it currently stands' etc.

Like a good joke, it's all in the delivery.

Well said

 

[Kernafides]

People who pot ITK's have to be people who:

1: Are jealous that they are not considered ITK
2: Use ITK comments to their mates claiming they are ITK and therefore feel stupid to their mates when things don't come off
3: Are members of some non existing betting site where they have plunged on ITK info and lost their house

If not the above I really have no idea why they get so angry lol
Sure be disappointed things didn't come off but looking for scapegoats is bizarre.

 

[therubbernub]

No, Papley is left stranded....and he can blame his current club for that who quite clearly didn’t want him to go and have the leverage of 3 more contracted years.

Martin will get to us, absolutely, put your house on it, take it to the bank, guaranteed. That’s a win, and will be seen as so when it happens.

Keep our draft hand and still get a very talented player, GC have essentially pi**ed one of their handouts down the toilet. f*n idiots

Papley "stranded" on a contract he signed. Ffs take some responsibility for your own actions. You signed a contract. If this was charlie for example, who wanted out to go surfing at geelong...... Would he be "stranded" on a contract?

 

[zeggie]

f*n idiots....I hope they make finals and he goes as a free agent and they end up with pick 14+ instead post all of the NGA/FS picks

If Sydney structure a long term deal, then the AFL formula would result in an end of first round compensation pick.

He'll be 26 which docks points. He won't be in the top 5% pay bracket, docks further points. Key example - Rockliff.

Congrats Dodoro. Pick 19-20 in the 2020 draft incoming.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I'm still trying to find enough 'the world is ending' gifs fo fill it!

You gotta give us hope!

 

[Navara79]

The revisionists are trying their hardest but this was nothing but a terrible outcome for us. It doesn't matter if Daniher didn't get done - Papley nominated us, everyone said it was a done deal, and we didn't get him. We just have to hope it was the Swans that kept him stranded and not us, so he isn't bitter about coming next year. We'll have to wait until November to know if we get Martin or not. The entire basis of the pick swap with Adelaide was that we'd trade this pick for a proven player, and we haven't... that trade can now only be seen as a failure. I don't think anyone should be devastated, but it's very disappointing because I absolutely believe there are list managers out there who could have got these deals done, SOS clearly isn't one of them

Sydney did not have to trade him...
Also, we don't have to overpay.

 

[ferrisb]

Remember all the talk/jokes about Bett's spare bedroom? I hope he rents it out to Cuningham over the summer.

I want Davey to soak up everything he can from Eddie this off-season and emerge (body willing) as a super dangerous small(ish) forward.

 

[FRUMPY]

Thats what my source said as well. Smoke and mirrors. Eddie expecting to meet with the target in the coming week and give a recommendation on if it's worth the risk

hahaha eddie now a recruiter/oracle.......FMD

 

[FRUMPY]

Right let's look into the crystal ball.

In 10 months Papley still wants to come home to Melbourne.

Are we still his preference or does he look elsewhere?

Depends on our offer (contract length and $$$$) - like all players wanting a trade

 

[Blue Chip Pass]

He is still salty that he didn't get rookied by us all those years ago.

100% agree. Guys like Gil that have huge egos. He would never forget that type of disappointment.
Makes total sense. He may try and disguise it, but it's still there. He is one of many carlton haters.

 

[ferrisb]

Can someone pls confirm.

Does Martin have to nominate for (and get passed over in) the ND before he makes it through to PSD?

Or just go straight to PSD?

Hoping for the latter.

 

[SirSanchez]

I distinctly remember reading “the only concern we have is what size statue to build of SOS and the recruiting department after this off season”
I think those talks have failed too!
#s***tradeperiod!

 

[LanceRomance]

Can someone pls confirm.

Does Martin have to nominate for (and get passed over in) the ND before he makes it through to PSD?

Or just go straight to PSD?

Hoping for the latter.

I think he can choose

 

[teagueyubeauty]

The revisionists are trying their hardest but this was nothing but a terrible outcome for us. It doesn't matter if Daniher didn't get done - Papley nominated us, everyone said it was a done deal, and we didn't get him. We just have to hope it was the Swans that kept him stranded and not us, so he isn't bitter about coming next year. We'll have to wait until November to know if we get Martin or not. The entire basis of the pick swap with Adelaide was that we'd trade this pick for a proven player, and we haven't... that trade can now only be seen as a failure. I don't think anyone should be devastated, but it's very disappointing because I absolutely believe there are list managers out there who could have got these deals done, SOS clearly isn't one of them

Nah, Pick 4 for Pick 9, Stocker and Martin is a great deal....you just can't possibly say anything different

 

[Faz 2000]

No point going after the ITKs. I'm taking them at face value (though always with a grain of salt).

It's not their fault, they're telling what they know or what they think they know.

My view is all that has revealed is that the club itself - personified by SOS, but as a collective - WAS confident and was found to be wrong about what other clubs would accept/do.

It's disappointing. It's not a good outcome. Not a whole lot of point going around blaming anyone today, but plotting next steps to take the club forwards is where we need to get to ASAP.

Can someone break down for me - what are the possible steps to obtain Martin in the PSD? Is that actually realistic?

 

[FRUMPY]

Harley on SEN.

Essendon knocked back 5&9

Wowee

Good on Essendon, back themselves in to keep a player they want to build their side around

If Charlie Curnow wanted out when he was signed, I would hope carlton would keep him unless we got what WE wanted in return

 

[LanceRomance]

I distinctly remember reading “the only concern we have is what size statue to build of SOS and the recruiting department after this off season”
I think those talks have failed too!
#s***tradeperiod!

I would think that if we get Martin in the PSD he will be worthy of a statuette