Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[Blue__Balls]

bolton

You're telling me Bolton was allowed to overrule SOS on a draft selection on the 27th of May, precisely 7 days prior to being sacked?

Colour me doubtful.

 

[jimsta10]

Deluca wasn’t SOS’ choice, he wanted Kyle Dunkley, but was overruled.

Hope we don’t end up like GCS.

Wants the point of hiring someone to do their job then overrule them?

SOS must be one frustrated person.

I’m thinking about popping by his places and dropping off a dozen bottles of red.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Funny story.. my mum used to go out with the dude inside Humphrey back in the late 70's.. lol

I've heard guys say things like " I'm a dolphin trainer" to try to impress women... but "hey? Im the guy inside Humphrey" is next level

 

[Navy blue whale]

I'd actually be devastated if we removed SOS.

My opinion but I think his work on our list has been nothing short of extraordinary. And late last year you could see it all starting to come together.

We have some great times ahead. Our recruitment and list management over the last 3-4 years is one of the reasons (along with leadership, culture change etc) why we're in this exciting position.

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[Bearded Carpenter]

I liked your question to each of the ITK’s.

Thank you.
I found the reply was quite telling, and the no reply spoke volumes also.

 

[Sector 7G]

Hope we don’t end up like GCS.

Wants the point of hiring someone to do their job then overrule them?

SOS must be one frustrated person.

I’m thinking about popping by his places and dropping off a dozen bottles of red.

SOS is the list manager not the head recruiter. If he is in a meeting and all of the recruiting staff want Deluca and he wants Dunkley, a mid season draft pick is not the one to over rule the rest of the room and make a Captains call.

Dunkley came in and played 5 games and averaged less than 10 possessions a game. It is not like we missed out on Tim Kelly.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

I've heard guys say things like " I'm a dolphin trainer" to try to impress women... but "hey? Im the guy inside Humphrey" is next level

Might have or may not have used the line - "I'm pluck a duck"

 

[Blue__Balls]

Hope we don’t end up like GCS.

Wants the point of hiring someone to do their job then overrule them?

SOS must be one frustrated person.

I’m thinking about popping by his places and dropping off a dozen bottles of red.

You don't want too much of it, but a football club is a big beast with many legs.

SOS is trying to build the most competitive list for sustained success. That means a 33yo Eddie is at the bottom of the shopping list, and Kyle Dunkley is a good value prospect in the mid season draft.

But other aspects of the club are also affected. Eddie's recruitment likely helps memberships, marketing/media, attendance, development, recruitment etc. They're all valid concerns for the club, and evidently SOS was ultimately willing to give up a speculative pick next year and was able to negotiate for Adelaide to foot some of the salary as well. Just because the decision wasn't the one he would have made initially, and others came in and made their case for why he should deviate from his plan, that doesn't mean he's being undermined.

Ditto Deluca. Look at the timing - the club was underperforming and staring down the barrel of another wooden spoon season. Kyle Dunkley may have been a handy player to get onto the books and look to develop over the next 2 seasons, but there was intense pressure on the club to deliver, from media, fans and players. So someone at the club (we don't know who), strongly suggests drafting a mature age, ex-AFL player who can offer some short-term relief in the midfield and forward line. Again, that's not to say that SOS's preference for Dunkley was wrong, but perhaps that given the specific circumstances of the club, other interested parties were able to convince him of the need for a different player/type instead.

Think those suggesting SOS could/should go because of his rookie/late pick selections are being a bit gung ho as well. What happens if/when SOS goes, we hire a new bloke who loves a late draft bargain, but makes an absolute mess of first round picks for the next 5 years? Do we say "Well, he does half the job well, but we should flick him and try and get a bloke who can nail top end picks for absolutely elite talent." All aboard the merry-go-round.

SOS has had a clear vision for the way this list was to be constructed. Some things haven't panned out, because that's the nature of the game. It's fine to question how/why those "failures" came about and how they can be minimised moving forward, but expecting that there's someone hiding just around the corner who can nail every pick, every year is remarkably unrealistic. The grass isn't always greener.

Hope, and trust, that the club does the right thing here. Ensure SOS is in the right frame of mind to continue with the job, and if so, find out what additional resources can be put in place around him to improve our late pick hit rate. And yeah, if his plans have a narrow focus, continue to provide counsel on when it's in the interests of the club as a whole to deviate from those plans in some way, and trust that if SOS sees that deviation as too detrimental to the state of the list that he will put his foot down.

 

[mochacinolatte]

I don't like picking up Deluca in the mid-season draft, played 6 games and gets de-listed. Someone needs to own up to this and fix this miscommunication.

Edit: Would of played a kid instead for development sake. But that is 6 games worth of development gone to the bin.

 

[Arr0w]

Ok. Please identify the other list manager/s who, during the time that SOS has been our list manager, has found talent at the lower end or in the rookie part of the draft. And then give reasons for your opinion.

In other words, who is the wizard list manager who, for want of an expression, finds the real needles in the haystack?

List management decisions aren’t made by one person. They are made by the list management team, but the buck does stop with the person occupying the position of List Manager.

Percy do I really need to post all the late/rookie picks as well as trades for token picks 2015 onward

 

[Gavstar]

You're telling me Bolton was allowed to overrule SOS on a draft selection on the 27th of May, precisely 7 days prior to being sacked?

Colour me doubtful.

Not sure how these things work internally but I'm sure coach and footy director all would get a say.

There is egg on faces except SOS with that decision, he was 100% right.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Funny story.. my mum used to go out with the dude inside Humphrey back in the late 70's.. lol

When the kids were little how I wish Humphrey was still on TV instead of that complete rubbish In the night garden....used to drive me flipping mental

 

[teknodeejay]

In terms of bringing in mature agers its a 1:1 draw from 2019. Gibbons nulls Deluca. It's a brutal sport, but not as brutal as - say - the NFL where you can be drafted and then cut before the season even begins and never play for a franchise again.
If Deluca was never going to play midfield then he has no real place moving forward in this team. Thank you for your time. I don't think it's a bad look on any of the recruitment staff because none of the mid year guys taken look that great. Even M. Pickett was speculative with his history that every other club passed over. Richmond were in a position that they can throw a speculative out there. We look at it much more harshly because we are not a successful club yet, so we want every fish that we hook to be a big one.

Sure, Silvagni could have had De Boer or Graham over Macreadie, Narkle instead of Polson, etc.... but we also could have (as many at the time wanted) Bonar or Fogarty over O'Brien... and how are those guys going so far in their career? Right now you'd; be happy with Lachie at that selection.

I'm more of the opinion that we had more problems in buggering up the development of anyone we brought in under anyone's stewardship than the actual player selection. We shall see how much Teague and co improve this vital decade long problem at the club. I'm optimistic at the least.

 

[Gavstar]

Ok. Please identify the other list manager/s who, during the time that SOS has been our list manager, has found talent at the lower end or in the rookie part of the draft. And then give reasons for your opinion.

In other words, who is the wizard list manager who, for want of an expression, finds the real needles in the haystack?

List management decisions aren’t made by one person. They are made by the list management team, but the buck does stop with the person occupying the position of List Manager.

It's an educated guess at best, Agresta has a strong record from Sydney especially with rookies so I'm guessing thats why he was brought on board.

Lots of nice stats on this page eg you need 18 picks in the 21-30 range before you are likely to select an All Australian.

Love to know if there are KPI's set around later picks?

 

[cookie monster]

SOS shouldn't be overruled on list decisions.
But he should be responding to requests from the Coach as to what players he needs in his game model.
I'm not sure there's been a healthy dynamic in this regard at the club since SOS arrived.

 

[BrownDog20]

I don't like picking up Deluca in the mid-season draft, played 6 games and gets de-listed. Someone needs to own up to this and fix this miscommunication.

Edit: Would of played a kid instead for development sake. But that is 6 games worth of development gone to the bin.

Wow, a whole 6 games of development.
Better close the doors.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Funny story.. my mum used to go out with the dude inside Humphrey back in the late 70's.. lol

\That explains many many things Kohphman ….

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

By Brad Lloyd? If so that’s a disgrace as list manager he should have final say. Maybe this is why he wants to move on, if he’s being interfered with

I thought it was Bolton...

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Funny story.. my mum used to go out with the dude inside Humphrey back in the late 70's.. lol

So like a turducken, but with people?

 

[rog1995]

It would be nice if people could be a little less disingenuous than this to make their point.

Palmer, Sumner and Lamb were all players that were taken to facilitate the trade of a player that we actually wanted (Palmer for Marchbank, Lamb/Sumner for Plowman). And everyone was happy with the level of skill displayed by Pickett and thought he showed promise, but injuries creuled him in the end.

Silvagni, Mullet, Shaw and O'shea were all taken purely as mature big-bodied senior players to help support a young list and were never expected to be long-term players or even AFL-level players. Hell, if Silvagni was still on the list, he'd be playing as a 33 year old next year!

Philips was a perfectly servicable back-up ruck and has just been taken by * after being offered a contract by Carlton, so they see something in him also. Lobbe was also a servicable back-up ruck and was also not expected to be at the club for the long term.

Smedts was part of a trade. He was not recruited to the club, the word on here was that SOS actually asked for Lang at the time.

That's almost half the players in your list that don't actually represent examples that support your point. They're just names that it's easy to throw in to make things seem worse than they in fact are.

What's disingenuous about the players we've recruited /drafted which are now no longer there? These are facts. Yes maybe some selections have reasons however that's an awful lot of recycled players who haven't performed and as a list manager the questions need to and should be asked.

 

[jimsta10]

SOS is the list manager not the head recruiter. If he is in a meeting and all of the recruiting staff want Deluca and he wants Dunkley, a mid season draft pick is not the one to over rule the rest of the room and make a Captains call.

Dunkley came in and played 5 games and averaged less than 10 possessions a game. It is not like we missed out on Tim Kelly.

You don't want too much of it, but a football club is a big beast with many legs.

SOS is trying to build the most competitive list for sustained success. That means a 33yo Eddie is at the bottom of the shopping list, and Kyle Dunkley is a good value prospect in the mid season draft.

But other aspects of the club are also affected. Eddie's recruitment likely helps memberships, marketing/media, attendance, development, recruitment etc. They're all valid concerns for the club, and evidently SOS was ultimately willing to give up a speculative pick next year and was able to negotiate for Adelaide to foot some of the salary as well. Just because the decision wasn't the one he would have made initially, and others came in and made their case for why he should deviate from his plan, that doesn't mean he's being undermined.

Ditto Deluca. Look at the timing - the club was underperforming and staring down the barrel of another wooden spoon season. Kyle Dunkley may have been a handy player to get onto the books and look to develop over the next 2 seasons, but there was intense pressure on the club to deliver, from media, fans and players. So someone at the club (we don't know who), strongly suggests drafting a mature age, ex-AFL player who can offer some short-term relief in the midfield and forward line. Again, that's not to say that SOS's preference for Dunkley was wrong, but perhaps that given the specific circumstances of the club, other interested parties were able to convince him of the need for a different player/type instead.

Think those suggesting SOS could/should go because of his rookie/late pick selections are being a bit gung ho as well. What happens if/when SOS goes, we hire a new bloke who loves a late draft bargain, but makes an absolute mess of first round picks for the next 5 years? Do we say "Well, he does half the job well, but we should flick him and try and get a bloke who can nail top end picks for absolutely elite talent." All aboard the merry-go-round.

SOS has had a clear vision for the way this list was to be constructed. Some things haven't panned out, because that's the nature of the game. It's fine to question how/why those "failures" came about and how they can be minimised moving forward, but expecting that there's someone hiding just around the corner who can nail every pick, every year is remarkably unrealistic. The grass isn't always greener.

Hope, and trust, that the club does the right thing here. Ensure SOS is in the right frame of mind to continue with the job, and if so, find out what additional resources can be put in place around him to improve our late pick hit rate. And yeah, if his plans have a narrow focus, continue to provide counsel on when it's in the interests of the club as a whole to deviate from those plans in some way, and trust that if SOS sees that deviation as too detrimental to the state of the list that he will put his foot down.

BB, you need to learn to paraphrase mate.

I understand both your points. TBH, I don't really care who we recruit we live by the sword and die by the sword. I understand the corporate hierarchy and how it works. I also understand about having too many cooks.

Inevitable I (we) don't really know what is said and done behind closed doors, I think we're going in the right direction and happy with where we are.

 

[Blue__Balls]

BB, you need to learn to paraphrase mate.

I understand both your points. TBH, I don't really care who we recruit we live by the sword and die by the sword. I understand the corporate hierarchy and how it works. I also understand about having too many cooks.

Inevitable I (we) don't really know what is said and done behind closed doors, I think we're going in the right direction and happy with where we are.

Nah, I'll stick to putting down my thoughts as they come. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[DangerousD]

By Brad Lloyd? If so that’s a disgrace as list manager he should have final say. Maybe this is why he wants to move on, if he’s being interfered with

If SOS wanted Dunkley and we got Deluca, I don’t see it as being overuled. We have a recruitment team, if they agreed on Deluca, why would the list manager have final say?

Why have a recruiting team and then overrule their decisions?

 

[DangerousD]

Hope we don’t end up like GCS.

Wants the point of hiring someone to do their job then overrule them?

SOS must be one frustrated person.

I’m thinking about popping by his places and dropping off a dozen bottles of red.

Exactly, why would SOS overrule the recruitment team and pick Dunkley.

 

[Broadside]

Nah, I'll stick to putting down my thoughts as they come. Thanks for the advice though.

to paraphrase, yeah nah