Society/Culture Should Young Workers give a s**t about their job?

[CheapCharlie]

The last few years there has been countless news stories about large companies and small underpaying their workers. Wage theft from deliv=berate underpaying, no penalty rates, illusory traineeships, employment contracts that disadvantage their staff.
Woolworths and Grill’d as two recent examples

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...ow-wages-and-food-safety-20191205-p53hbm.html

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6465506/woolworths-underpaid-staff-by-up-to-300m/

Woolworths is one of Australia’s Top 10 companies, ubiquitous in media and location, widely held in Superfunds and self managed retiree funds.
This is a company with 18 million visits per week

Griil’d is an overpriced burger joint that has done remarkably well. They have expanded to around 150 stores. Part of that success can be put down to ripping off workers and churning staff, while overworking the remaining staff

Is there any point for workers in service an retail to work hard and give a * about their hobs or emplyers? The reward for effort is to be underpaid and overworked.

If the companies and bosses don't give a s**t, why should the workers?

 

[Gough]

Unionise, organise.

 

[TimmeT]

Unionise, organise.

been multiple storie as well about how the unions have dorectly failed theor membership majorly also.

 

[Gough]

been multiple storie as well about how the unions have dorectly failed theor membership majorly also.

True but the only way that a sixteen year old kid can possibly hope to stand up to these companies is as a member of union.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Should start a union

 

[Frank Bunn]

Definitely not. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. You should treat your employer as they treat you. Never treat a corporation as a fair moral entity, whether you are an employee or a customer.

That said, I've always found the service in Grill'd was very good. I wonder if it's the upmarket, pricey feel of the place that keeps customer service level high compared to dumps like Hungry Jacks?

 

[Frank Bunn]

True but the only way that a sixteen year old kid can possibly hope to stand up to these companies is as a member of union.

Yeah nah. My son started working at Coles. With all the paperwork he didn't even realise that he had joined the SDA. It turned out that the SDA deal with Coles ripped him off to pay him less than award rates. The SDA was paying commision fees to Coles in return for guaranteed memberships that gave them power at Labor conference and for MP selection.

Shoppies union pay Coles and Woolworths millions to boost membership

Australia’s biggest private-sector union pays major employers including Coles and Woolworths up to $5 million a year in commissions that help maintain its large membership, and influence in the ALP.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Snake_Baker]

Why only "young" workers?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Unionise, organise.

Why, so the government/s could undermine them by shipping in a fresh pool of workers from second world countries under the banner of "multiculturalism"?

You need to wake up to the fact that there are serious inconsistencies in your brand of politics.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Why only "young" workers?

It could apply to anyone

Young workers are told 'work hard and it will be recognise and you will get ahead'. This might be the case in some companies and professions, but for a large slab of jobs, it makes no difference

 

[Snake_Baker]

It could apply to anyone

Young workers are told 'work hard and it will be recognise and you will get ahead'. This might be the case in some companies and professions, but for a large slab of jobs, it makes no difference

A hard work ethic provides psychological stability and resilance during human developmental phases, so it does have benefits, but the "young" also need to be shown the propaganda that is put before them.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Should start a union

There is, they're useless.

 

[CheapCharlie]

A hard work ethic provides psychological stability and resilance during human developmental phases, so it does have benefits, but the "young" also need to be shown the propaganda that is put before them.

A good work ethic has personal benefits and benefits to any business. But does a strong personal work ethic give yourself benefit at many businesses now?

The guys with the strong work ethic will be asked to shoulder more work,. for the same pay, so having a good work ethic might bring you no benefits, and greater productivity is expected of you.

If you recognise you have a good work ethic, the next step is to recognise it's worth and whether the effort is remunerated or rewarded or taken advantage of

 

[EasternTiger]

Back in the olden days, dad stepped orf the boat at Port Melbourne, and was on the meatworks chain a few days later.

The meatworks had regular union strikes.

Lock on the toilet door broken - strike

The flake in the bain marie isn't piping hot for lunch - strike.

Mum said "Go to work you silly wog what is all the striking over?"

Turns out the company and the union had a handshake deal.

You go on strike when it's quiet. We don't lay off workers.

Win/win.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Back in the olden days, dad stepped orf the boat at Port Melbourne, and was on the meatworks chain a few days later.

The meatworks had regular union strikes.

Lock on the toilet door broken - strike

The flake in the bain marie isn't piping hot for lunch - strike.

Mum said "Go to work you silly wog what is all the striking over?"

Turns out the company and the union had a handshake deal.

You go on strike when it's quiet. We don't lay off workers.

Win/win.

Did they at least fix the dunny door?

My old man was a slaughterman in the Newmarket sale yards, and they actually went on strike because the beer fridge broke down. It was replaced.

 

[EasternTiger]

Did they at least fix the dunny door?

My old man was a slaughterman in the Newmarket sale yards, and they actually went on strike because the beer fridge broke down. It was replaced.

Dunny door fixed, and the ring-a-root numbers scrubbed off the back of it.

 

[its free real estate]

imo the existence of these chains are itself the problem. a more just world would have no grill’d, young people could open their own burger bars without needing to be employed by a franchisee who himself is being extorted by the parasitic parent company.

 

[its free real estate]

Why, so the government/s could undermine them by shipping in a fresh pool of workers from second world countries under the banner of "multiculturalism"?

You need to wake up to the fact that there are serious inconsistencies in your brand of politics.

Lol, don’t tell them who was behind the White Australia policy.

 

[go you pups]

The last few years there has been countless news stories about large companies and small underpaying their workers. Wage theft from deliv=berate underpaying, no penalty rates, illusory traineeships, employment contracts that disadvantage their staff.
Woolworths and Grill’d as two recent examples

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...ow-wages-and-food-safety-20191205-p53hbm.html

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6465506/woolworths-underpaid-staff-by-up-to-300m/

Woolworths is one of Australia’s Top 10 companies, ubiquitous in media and location, widely held in Superfunds and self managed retiree funds.
This is a company with 18 million visits per week

Griil’d is an overpriced burger joint that has done remarkably well. They have expanded to around 150 stores. Part of that success can be put down to ripping off workers and churning staff, while overworking the remaining staff

Is there any point for workers in service an retail to work hard and give a fu** about their hobs or emplyers? The reward for effort is to be underpaid and overworked.

If the companies and bosses don't give a s**t, why should the workers?

Wish I did 10 years ago where I regularly worked unpaid overtime in hospitality (anywhere between 5-15 hours PW aside from some weeks in winter where it was dead)

All I wanted to do back then was work hard, not whinge, keep my head down and keep my job, not much to show for it though except skills in that area

 

[go you pups]

Dunny door fixed, and the ring-a-root numbers scrubbed off the back of it.

Lel, who took home the nudie calendars?

 

[Emptyorangeseat]

Lol, don’t tell them who was behind the White Australia policy.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

But but we need we need endless immigration say the left

 

[TimmeT]

True but the only way that a sixteen year old kid can possibly hope to stand up to these companies is as a member of union.

not corrrect if they have neen dudded.then they can lodge a fairwork complaint which will be assessed on the things that happened like all other complaints.

 

[CheapCharlie]

not corrrect if they have neen dudded.then they can lodge a fairwork complaint which will be assessed on the things that happened like all other complaints.

Yeah but how many people want the hassle of lodging a fair work complaint?
You complain to the employer and the shifts are gone, and the source of income is taken away
You complain to the relevant authority and IF they investigate, and the percentage odds of an investigation happening are probably ~ 5%
Then if investigated, you go through the stress, probably no shifts between and wait 12 months to possibly get back paid

If Directors of companies were personally responsible for underpayemnst and Jail time was a high possibility outcome, we might see a dramatic decrease in wage theft

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[Frank Bunn]

imo the existence of these chains are itself the problem. a more just world would have no grill’d, young people could open their own burger bars without needing to be employed by a franchisee who himself is being extorted by the parasitic parent company.

Anyone can open a burger bar. The problem is that many people opt to eat at the name brand chains even when they have a choice of better and cheaper food. Where I often get lunch there are lines out of the door for expensive franchise Vietnamese (Roll'd), expensive franchise Mexican (Mad Mex), a couple of sandwich and sushi places. Whereas the family run Sri Lankan cafe serving up cheap, delicious, home cooked meals is half empty. Go figure.