Mega Thread COVID-19 Carlton & the AFL - NO POLITICS/NO RELIGION/NO CONSPIRACIES ETC

[Kruezing]

If there’s any true concern for the elderly and the vulnerable ... how about supermarkets have dedicated hours for the elderly to do their shopping in peace without the threat of being stampeded by the low life panic striken pieces of shite hoarding stores like the world has ended ... dirty selfish filth ...

 

[RedFury]

The rhetoric is starting to become louder on this. I wonder though, is this a "leak" to motivate people to be more careful- I dont know the answer. Wish i did

The expert consensus on short-term re-infection seems to be that it's highly unlikely that genuine re-infection can occur in a timeframe of days or weeks after initial recovery - it's far more likely that either false negative testing occurred on "recovery" or false positive occurred on "re-infection".

It's possible for these viruses to not be completely beaten by the immune system, but rather lie dormant in the body then make a resurgence - influenza can do this but it's fairly rare.

In any case, the experts have stressed that these cases of apparent short-term "re-occurrence" are extremely rare and very much the exception rather than the rule.

The bigger question, and a more genuine fear IMO, is whether medium-term re-infection is possible. This refers to how long antibodies remain in the body after you've beaten the virus. We don't know this with the new strain, but previous corona viruses have been shown to possibly have only several months of effectiveness before re-infection is possible.

This brings up some scary scenarios with regards to "flattening the curve" over a period of, say, 12 months because the strategy makes assumptions that somebody who's beaten the virus can't get it again 4-5 months later. Jury is out on whether that's going to be true.

 

[Blue Ratts]

I dont think we know yet, Italy is shut down, its our best modelling, what happens when it opens?

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

this is getting out of control and gonna cost lives.. just stop the season indefinitely, watch what WHO have to say.. cut our losses. yes we are all passionate supporters, but I want to mitigate lives lost. Unfortunately this one going to take drastic measures. the facts are that its highly contagious with a low percentage death toll. so basically lots of ppl can have it, not notice it and spread it to the vulnerable. we all have family, elderly, or vulnerable. Then you have the fit, come in with an accident, compromised conditions, they become vulnerable. this can affect all, so all you selfish people out there, start thinking.

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Not here to scare monger, but we just don't know. Better off to shut it all down til we get a better understanding. its highly contagious with a low death rate. but it hits the vulnerable, we all have family in the 80's , there are plenty of vulnerable not in that age group and if we can save lives by shutting down sporting events I'm all for it.

 

[mediumsizered]

Rugby league are now begging for government financial assistance because they never created this virus.

Not that I am a rugby league fan, but the NRL don't have the same level of financial resilience as the AFL & could find themselves pushed very close to the wall if they have to cancel their season. A prospect made more likely by the participation of a NZ based team & the need to self isolate for 14 days as per instructions from both the Australian & NZ Govts.

I certainly don't believe the Govt should bail the NRL out, but the coronavirus is going to cause a massive world of hurt for rugby league in Australia.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

Disagree with you too mate.. ffs even when you have a denier in Donald Trump turn around and say this is an emergency you refuse to see. This is not about fit ppl, this is about fit ppl passing it on.. do you not have any relatives or compassion. I would love an AFL season but this goes beyond it.

 

[mediumsizered]

NRL? Where players have already nominated where they are playing the following year while still in season

What a circus

If any AFL player comes out it would only be on the back of self interest/promotion. Would be staggered if that was the case, but we do have a Dangerfield

Dangerfield is auditioning for a political career.

 

[Blue Ratts]

happy to have a chat sweet seventeen, it is not media, we, my partner and myself work at the coalface. if you have any concerns feel free to message me, but I, my partner would never partake in any scare mongering, we are professionals. I know what is going on in hospice, the threats, the anxieties, the protocols. etc..if you think you know better ..spell them out

 

[mediumsizered]

Just wondering, given the AFLW season has been going for 6 weeks, seemingly without anyone contracting Covid-19, what is it about the men's competition which makes it more likely that someone will develop the virus? I keep seeing reference to the cancellation of European soccer leagues & various sporting leagues in the US as a reason why the AFL should cancel/postpone the competition.

European soccer players do a fair bit of international travel, participating in UEFA Cup, Champions league etc & NBA players seem to clock up a fair bit of international travel outside of their game play & it still seems the vast majority of Australia's Covid-19 cases have been in those who have returned/travelled from overseas, or had direct contact with someone returning/travelling from overseas (including the 77 year old woman who died in NSW today after having contact with her daughter who had developed Covid-19 following her return from the US).

If AFL players, coaches, officials take reasonable care to avoid contact with those who are at high risk of contracting Covid-19, I would think their risk of contracting the virus as a result of playing games would be quite minimal.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Just wondering, given the AFLW season has been going for 6 weeks, seemingly without anyone contracting Covid-19, what is it about the men's competition which makes it more likely that someone will develop the virus? I keep seeing reference to the cancellation of European soccer leagues & various sporting leagues in the US as a reason why the AFL should cancel/postpone the competition.

European soccer players do a fair bit of international travel, participating in UEFA Cup, Champions league etc & NBA players seem to clock up a fair bit of international travel outside of their game play & it still seems the vast majority of Australia's Covid-19 cases have been in those who have returned/travelled from overseas, or had direct contact with someone returning/travelling from overseas (including the 77 year old woman who died in NSW today after having contact with her daughter who had developed Covid-19 following her return from the US).

If AFL players, coaches, officials take reasonable care to avoid contact with those who are at high risk of contracting Covid-19, I would think their risk of contracting the virus as a result of playing games would be quite minimal.

Its the timing. If you go containment quickly you can slow the virus down. If you ignore, being a highly contagious virus it ramps up. its basically compound mathematics. The virus to most just shows influenza symptoms, but it does hit the vulnerable hard. the aged, diabetics, heart diseased, high blood pressured. Then you get the flow off. Respirators used to those in most need, normally user for ppl booked in theatre. those theatres are now gone, then you have a 3 hr disinfect of anyone with covid in those theatres. Its freaking massive. it slows everything down, they now basically have runners. the theatres pull most of the machines out, so that they dont have to disinfect them, the runners hand stuff required just through the doors, the minimal staff do as required and then shower straight after. it slows everything down . this not only affects the covid patients, it also affects all others.

 

[Gethelred]

This crisis really has highlighted how ******* inept our country is at managing a crisis and how disgusting people can behave.

The fact both the AFL and NRL are continuing to play games where leagues like NBA and multiple Soccer leagues are suspended is sad really. Those leagues are worth probably in the range of 100 times what AFL and NRL would cost to suspend :/

Highlight for me today was when my in-laws returned from Europe and not one mention of isolation or corona virus in Melbourne airport.

By the same token, I work in a shopping centre, and I've seen nothing but people being polite and helping each other out.

The Coles where I work is meant to close at 10 on Fridays, but due to customer demand (and urgency) they stayed open for an extra half an hour. The last customer out just as she left the premises had an old lady try to enter the building, only to be rebuffed as the Coles had shut its doors. The woman cut open the toilet paper she had bought, and split the thing with her.

It's only in the media that I'm hearing stories about how awful people are being. It's not my experience of this at all.

 

[Blue Ratts]

also gonna ad here, those of us on the front line of health care, its pretty inevitable that us are gonna have to self isolate at some time, hey we may get the virus, i'm over 50, so is my partner, but we will both endeavour to look after the most vulnerable and continue to do so.

 

[Opine]

also gonna ad here, those of us on the front line of health care, its pretty inevitable that us are gonna have to self isolate at some time, hey we may get the virus, i'm over 50, so is my partner, but we will both endeavour to look after the most vulnerable and continue to do so.

Respect for you BR [emoji106]


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[therubbernub]

this is getting out of control and gonna cost lives.. just stop the season indefinitely, watch what WHO have to say.. cut our losses. yes we are all passionate supporters, but I want to mitigate lives lost. Unfortunately this one going to take drastic measures. the facts are that its highly contagious with a low percentage death toll. so basically lots of ppl can have it, not notice it and spread it to the vulnerable. we all have family, elderly, or vulnerable. Then you have the fit, come in with an accident, compromised conditions, they become vulnerable. this can affect all, so all you selfish people out there, start thinking.

Please dont quote the WHo as a responsible authority. They have shown themselves to be inept and totally compromised by political ties. I wont say which country but it is not the USA

 

[KnobHead]

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

Putting covid-19 aside, many elderly already need some help for daily living. Some need more help, ie. those living with Alzheimer’s etc.

So to leave it up to them to decide about covid-19 (which can kill them) and fend for themselves so fans can watch live footy ain’t a great outcome.

Get there’s a lot of frustration, but all measures by governments across the globe are about limiting the spread. It ain’t a reaction to the media - true, media is influential, but governments are shutting borders down etc. That isn’t done to keep Rupert Murdoch happy. Added, struggle to see that it’s in the media’s interests to see the global economy straining because of covid-19.


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[ferrisb]

Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

In a couple of months, this could be so grim that cancelling the footy will fade into insignificance...

 

[thylacine60]

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

nsis......

 

[Earls Smother]

this is getting out of control and gonna cost lives.. just stop the season indefinitely, watch what WHO have to say.. cut our losses. yes we are all passionate supporters, but I want to mitigate lives lost. Unfortunately this one going to take drastic measures. the facts are that its highly contagious with a low percentage death toll. so basically lots of ppl can have it, not notice it and spread it to the vulnerable. we all have family, elderly, or vulnerable. Then you have the fit, come in with an accident, compromised conditions, they become vulnerable. this can affect all, so all you selfish people out there, start thinking.

This is all true.

What gets me is the hypocrisy of some people on here. They will continue to catch their trains, go to their workplaces, visit their favorite bars and coffee shops. In other words - put themselves out in the community, risk catching the virus and then potentially pass it on to someone more vulnerable. But that's apparently ok?

Whereas the AFL industry which is a way more controlled environment, is apparently going to be the cause of utter chaos. I accept that if we start getting multiple players/staff testing positive, then things would have to change. I'm not saying the season must start, continue unabated and finish on the last Saturday in September come what may. Simply adjust to evolving circumstances as everyone else will. But why should it be different with people going to work in the Commonwealth Bank building? Or AMP or the Herald Sun?

The Carlton v Richmond game would have had lets say 85,000 crowd, plus for arguments sake 44 players and 256 associated staff. That means they have mitigated their overall risk by over 99.6 % by eliminating the crowd. Who else can say they are doing that? Those 300 odd people are also spread around a very large area, with, in most cases (players excepted) minimal contact with each other.

I don't want anyone to die. I just happen to believe that playing games of football is not going to increase that likelihood at this stage.

 

[ESKIE]

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

 

[Jeremias]

Totally disagree with you Ratts. Media has sensationalised this so much. Would have been a far better and more common sense approach to tell the elderly to quarantine themselves and leave it up to them after that warning. Just bloody ridiculous how the season will be compromised and fans cannot see the games live. Politicians are just puppets of the media imo.

What exactly do you disagree with?

That it will cost people their lives?
That the virus is highly contagious and can be transferred by people who don’t even know they have it?
That football - indeed all sport - must take a back seat when dealing with something like this?

The league made the correct decision to lock the crowds out given the uncertainty of the situation. But I will argue that they haven’t gone far enough and that should be rectified by postponing the season indefinitely.

Sorry, but I cannot stomach people questioning the experts here...because football.

Some people need to wake up. I agree the media has a habit of sensationalising things, but it is dangerous and completely irresponsible to just brush this under the carpet as no big deal.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

If the games are stopped, I'll survive (providing I don't catch corona virus). But its border-line hysteria to describe 'pro- continue to play, without crowds supporters' as selfish monsters that want the elderly and vulnerable to die. The discussion is really about whether playing games is going to increase the viral danger anymore than everyday life activities. I think the reason is more symbolic than anything else.

 

[Stamos]

Sorry, but I cannot stomach people questioning the experts here...because football.

The experts are not in agreement about the best way to proceed, they disagree with each other.

 

[Blue Flame]

If the games are stopped, I'll survive (providing I don't catch corona virus). But its border-line hysteria to describe 'pro- continue to play, without crowds supporters' as selfish monsters that want the elderly and vulnerable to die. The discussion is really about whether playing games is going to increase the viral danger anymore than everyday life activities. I think the reason is more symbolic than anything else.

And if there's any chance it would increase the viral danger?

 

[Stamos]

And if there's any chance it would increase the viral danger?

It depends on the chance.