Opinion The Politics of Coronavirus

[kranky al]

Australia already has one of the most efficient and fairest wealth distribution systems there is.

Do you have a link or source that confirms this - or is it just the vibe of the thing .... man

 

[ZergMinion]

The first article was good since it was reporting fact.

The second not so much since it was an opinion piece.

Australia already has one of the most efficient and fairest wealth distribution systems there is.

Clearly that bar is hilariously low.

 

[Max zero]

Do you have a link or source that confirms this - or is it just the vibe of the thing .... man

How fair is Australia’s welfare state? • Inside Story

Australia redistributes more to the poorest fifth of the population than virtually any other OECD country, writes Peter Whiteford

insidestory.org.au

Our system has been pretty damn efficient for a while.

 

[kranky al]

How fair is Australia’s welfare state? • Inside Story

Australia redistributes more to the poorest fifth of the population than virtually any other OECD country, writes Peter Whiteford

insidestory.org.au

Our system has been pretty damn efficient for a while.

Those stats are measured around 07-09

ie before the liberals got into power and slashed the guts out of it.

 

[Max zero]

Those stats are measured around 07-09

ie before the liberals got into power and slashed the guts out of it.

So you have any evidence that our welfare system is unfair now or is it a gut feel?

 

[kranky al]

So you have any evidence that our welfare system is unfair now or is it a gut feel?

Really?

you werent aware that the liberals had slashed welfare spending

yet you link an article from before they were In power to say how generous our welfare system is?

 

[WCErevival]

Welfare spending goes up every year. Its the biggest drain on the budget. Its no wonder they try and make cuts where they can.

 

[ZergMinion]

Welfare spending goes up every year. Its the biggest drain on the budget. Its no wonder they try and make cuts where they can.

And pensioners are the biggest part of the welfare budget. Have fun telling them they're a drain on the economy. They lap that shit up

 

[Max zero]

Really?

you werent aware that the liberals had slashed welfare spending

yet you link an article from before they were In power to say how generous our welfare system is?

So no evidence that our welfare system is unfair/poorly managed just gut feel?

 

[Max zero]

And pensioners are the biggest part of the welfare budget. Have fun telling them they're a drain on the economy. They lap that shit up

That wasn't what he was responding too.

He was responding that assertion that due to budget cuts our welfare system is no longer one of the best in the world.

He quite rightly points out that our welfare bill goes up every year which is the opposite of budgets cuts.

 

[ZergMinion]

That wasn't what he was responding too.

He was responding that assertion that due to budget cuts our welfare system is no longer one of the best in the world.

He quite rightly points out that our welfare bill goes up every year which is the opposite of budgets cuts.

The population grows every year though, so duh. You can still have cuts and have the overall number go up.

 

[Max zero]

The population grows every year though, so duh. You can still have cuts and have the overall number go up.

So has it on a per capita base gone down?

I linked a credible source on the quality of Australia's welfare system. All I have gotten in reply is rhetoric and evasion.

What exactly is the point you are arguing?

 

[Georgie 404]

Hmm..

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has warned the state's tough coronavirus social-distancing restrictions will stay "until a vaccine is found", after Australia's death toll climbed to 46.

NSW Premier says coronavirus social distancing to stay 'until vaccine is found'

NSW Health confirms 49 new coronavirus infections and two deaths, as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns social distancing will stay in the state "until a vaccine is found".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Max zero]

Hmm..

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has warned the state's tough coronavirus social-distancing restrictions will stay "until a vaccine is found", after Australia's death toll climbed to 46.

NSW Premier says coronavirus social distancing to stay 'until vaccine is found'

NSW Health confirms 49 new coronavirus infections and two deaths, as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns social distancing will stay in the state "until a vaccine is found".

www.abc.net.au

Obviously an over the top reaction because of the Ruby Princess.

Good luck with that NSW.

 

[Georgie 404]

Obviously an over the top reaction because of the Ruby Princess.

Good luck with that NSW.

You mean like -
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity..??

Im leaning more towards malice

of course the vaccine won’t be mandatory
but failure to have one will be the equivalent to “no jab no play“

no work, no socialising, no exercise and no pay
welcome to the nwo

and have a nice day

 

[Georgie 404]

You mean like -
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity..??

Im leaning more towards malice

of course the vaccine won’t be mandatory
but failure to have one will be the equivalent to “no jab no play“

no work, no socialising, no exercise and no pay
welcome to the nwo

and have a nice day

“No jab no play”

An open letter to Scott Morrison and conflicts of interest....

Murdoch media/News Corp has a serious conflict of interest with its influential No Jab, No Play vaccination media campaign in that Murdoch media groups News Corp and Foxtel are corporate partners of the Murdoch Children's Research Institute, an organisation which is involved in vaccine research.[2] The Murdoch Children's Research Institute's website notes that its Vaccine and Immunisation Research Group (VIRGo) "provides evidence to shape Government policy regarding best use of vaccines in national schedules".[3]


Mr Morrison, I would appreciate your response to the following questions:
During your private lunch with Mr Rupert Murdoch in 2015, or at any other time, did you discuss Australia's vaccination policy with Mr Murdoch, e.g. the No Jab, No Pay bill which was raised in response to the Murdoch media/News Corp's No Jab, No Play media campaign for coercive vaccination?[5] (The No Jab, No Pay bill was enacted as Federal law in January 2016, and subsequently various State No Jab, No Play laws.)

etc etc

https://elizabethhart.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/conflicts-of-interest-influencing-australias-vaccination-policy-murdoch-media_news-corp.pdf

$narrative holders$
$scamdemic$

 

[Georgie 404]

As for Hydroxychloroquine




Hydroxychloroquine manufactured by apotex

APOTEX DONATES HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE FOR A CLINICAL STUDY TO PREVENT INFECTION FROM COVID-19 WITH FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS

The founder of Apotex, Barry Sherman and his wife were murdered in 2017 and the murder is unsolved -

Barry Sherman was the chairman of Apotex Inc., a privately held generic drug company that he founded in the mid-1970s

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[MrWoollie]

As for Hydroxychloroquine

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Hydroxychloroquine manufactured by apotex

APOTEX DONATES HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE FOR A CLINICAL STUDY TO PREVENT INFECTION FROM COVID-19 WITH FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS

The founder of Apotex, Barry Sherman and his wife were murdered in 2017 and the murder is unsolved -

Barry Sherman was the chairman of Apotex Inc., a privately held generic drug company that he founded in the mid-1970s

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

OK I'll bite.

Are you serious?

I don't know where you got this rubbish, but jeez Biggie, can we block this sort of sh**?

You have a choice of something that is an anti-malarial and may (unlikely) or may not (likely) do a little for a few people and you get excited? When the next best (and very close %) options are...
antibiotics (on a virus ffs?),
nothing,
panadol.
If nothing, antibiotics (nothing) and panadol (nothing) are as good (within statistical norms) as your anti-malarials, then you got nothin'.

Get real. This is on the line of burn down the 5-G towers because it causes C-19.

 

[ZergMinion]

So has it on a per capita base gone down?

I linked a credible source on the quality of Australia's welfare system. All I have gotten in reply is rhetoric and evasion.

What exactly is the point you are arguing?

Do you ever yearn to take a break from being 100% serious all the time?

But fine. Here's a breakdown of our welfare spending:

Research

Research

www.aph.gov.au

There's been a recent rise in welfare spending due to the introduction of the NDIS and the governments childcare package, though here's the paragraph on sustainability:

Given its size, the welfare budget is often a target for savings measures, particularly in the face of budget deficits. While welfare expenditure is increasing, it is primarily in areas tracking demographic trends—support for the aged—and areas in which there is bipartisan support for additional funding—disability services and child care. It will be difficult to achieve significant savings without looking at addressing spending in these areas, particularly the largest component: the Age Pension. Working-aged payments are a less contentious target for savings but are not the source of the Government’s main fiscal pressures (see: ‘Where to for welfare reform?’ elsewhere in this Briefing Book).

Also you linked an article comparing Australia's welfare system with the rest of the world to say that it's good. Just because everyone else is rubbish doesn't make the least worst good (and besides...your article mentioned Denmark spend 80% more than we do).

Now my specific beef with our welfare system is that unemployment benefits aren't enough to get you above the poverty line unless you qualify for every extra support payment in which case you eke fractionally above it. Our economic system requires roughly 5% unemployment, but unemployed people are always targeted as slackers despite the largest group of long term unemployed being aged 55-64 (see below

Research

Research

www.aph.gov.au

If history is any guide, you'll pick one point out of this post and argue hard while ignoring the rest, while I'll get bored and wander off.

 

[Georgie 404]

You have a choice of something that is an anti-malarial and may (unlikely) or may not (likely) do a little for a few people and you get excited? When the next best (and very close %) options are...
antibiotics (on a virus ffs?),
nothing,
panadol.
If nothing, antibiotics (nothing) and panadol (nothing) are as good (within statistical norms) as your anti-malarials, then you got nothin'.

Get real. This is on the line of burn down the 5-G towers because it causes C-19.

From

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret

In the last 3-5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It's not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed...

www.sott.net

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming "DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!". They never got the memo that a drug doesn't need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it's enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so

And

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially 'game changing' treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

Are you serious?

I don't know where you got this rubbish, but jeez Biggie, can we block this sort of sh**?

I’d suggest the “sh**” is in between your ears
Seriously

 

[Scotland]

NIH clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, a potential therapy for COVID-19, begins

Study is enrolling hospitalized adults with COVID-19.

www.nih.gov

A clinical trial to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has begun, with the first participants now enrolled in Tennessee.

“Effective therapies for COVID-19 are urgently needed,” said James P. Kiley, director, Division of Lung Diseases, NHLBI. “Hydroxychloroquine has showed promise in a lab setting against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 and preliminary reports suggest potential efficacy in small studies with patients. However, we really need clinical trial data to determine whether hydroxychloroquine is effective and safe in treating COVID-19.”

It's not a treatment for COVID-19. It's something that has just started being tested in clinical trials to see if it is effective and safe.

 

[Scotland]

Those stats are measured around 07-09

ie before the liberals got into power and slashed the guts out of it.

 

[kranky al]

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Tony abbott became prime minister in 2013 - and the liberals have been in power ever since - so it would be instructive if you could get the same graphs from that period

 

[Scotland]

Tony abbott became prime minister in 2013 - and the liberals have been in power ever since - so it would be instructive if you could get the same graphs from that period

Alternatively, if you are going to claim that "the liberals got into power and slashed the guts out of it" you could support said claim.

I'm aware when Abbott was PM, and I'm also aware that Labor were in power from 2007-2013 having been in opposition 1996-2007. Outside of 2008/09 with a spike in expenditure due to GFC measures welfare has steadily trended upward over time.

Here are the last 5 financial years:

Our welfare system is far from perfect and far too much money goes to those who don't need it ahead of those that do, but people like making silly claims.

 

[kranky al]

Alternatively, if you are going to claim that "the liberals got into power and slashed the guts out of it" you could support said claim.

I'm aware when Abbott was PM, and I'm also aware that Labor were in power from 2007-2013 having been in opposition 1996-2007. Outside of 2008/09 with a spike in expenditure due to GFC measures welfare has steadily trended upward over time.

Here are the last 5 financial years:

Our welfare system is far from perfect and far too much money goes to those who don't need it ahead of those that do, but people like making silly claims.

The government has produced a new savings measure worth $1.2bn over four years achieved by broadening the criteria for waiting periods for newly arrived migrants before they can access welfare payments.
From July 2018, the current two-year waiting period for family payments, including family tax benefit, paid parental leave and carers allowance, will be extended to three years.
The government will save $400m by withholding lump sum payments under family tax benefits for people with outstanding social security, student assistance, or paid parental leave debts from December 2018.
The government will also save $1bn over four years by tightening payments to family day care services as it transitions to the New Child Care Package that will begin on 2 July 2018.

Source: https://amp.theguardian.com/austral...s-to-welfare-universities-and-family-payments

The Senate has passed a suite of welfare cuts the Coaltion says are needed to fund its childcare reforms, after a fiery debate that lasted until just after midnight on Wednesday evening.

The main savings measure is a two-year freeze on the indexation of the Family Tax Benefit - meaning the payment will no longer increase to keep pace with inflation.

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The government estimates that freeze will save around $2 billion over the next four years.

While most crossbench senators voted with the government, Tasmanian Senator Jacqui Lambie was vehemently opposed to the cuts.

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"You are taking money off [FTB recipients], I don’t give a stuff which way you look at it," she said.

"While milk goes up and while bread goes up, you are freezing [the rate]. That is what’s going on. That is the truth. So please don’t spin it."

She joined with Labor and the Greens in opposing the bill.

The motion was passed 34 votes to 31 after the government secured the support of One Nation and Nick Xenophon's three senators, along with independents Derryn Hinch, David Leyonhjelm and Cory Bernardi.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the freeze would mean single-income households on about $60,000 with two primary school-aged children would lose up to $440 over the next two years, compared to what they would have received under the current law.

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Labor has accused Pauline Hanson of betraying the "battlers" of Australia, as she joins with several other crossbenchers to pass government cuts to the Family Tax Benefit through the Senate.

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