Preview Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 15 vs. Brisbane - Gabba, Fri 04/09 @ 7:50pm AEST

[Doc1763]

Must watch TV.

Robbo is genuine scum and it still baffles how he's the Chief Footy Writer of the HS.

Bucks will embarrass him tonight as he always does.

They also employ Andrew Bolt - their standards aren't high.

 

[Apex36]

Why? He’s just as unproven.

At least with Cameron we get consistency.
Changes for the sake of changes don’t win games

Consistency? I’m not sure how you could possibly say that. He’s the most inconsistent player in the squad. One week he can take 10 marks and kick a goal or two and then the next couple he can do donuts. Or are we saying we know he will be consistently inconsistent?

 

[Horaceg]

Cal was much better yesterday. He tries to do way too much at times but I thought yesterday he played to his strengths and within his limitations. Some of his contested efforts were brilliant but he used the footy far better than he has been.

True he was better maybe just expecting more from him.

 

[Silky23]

Whilst everyone can bag Cameron for his lack of effort and intensity it's clearly the structure that works better for us and a host of the better teams.

It allows Mihocek to roam more freely and gives Cox more 1 on 1 battles. It also allows the small fleet to move around and have a more open forward line.
If we revert back to just Cox and Checkers, you watch the 3rd defensive tall just zone off the small and sit back to intercept and spoil marking contests. It happens every damn time we play Cox as KPF1 with Checkers on the next best defensive tall. Cameron straightens us up so it's disappointing Kelly isn't available as he would have the role but we need the extra tall. So either Lynch comes in or we stay put with this structure.

FWIW I think Mayne won't get up. Greenwood will be the definite IN.
Would love to see Langdon but not sure the Brisbane game is the right one given he won't be playing high TOG%.

I think we have to honour the current form of the team and back them in. Which means C Brown and WHE get a reprieve but as stated they did some nice things. If Langers is ready, C Brown misses I think and we shift Philips forward and potentially T Brown will spend more time forward.

B: Crisp, Roughead, Madgen
HB: Quaynor, Moore, Maynard
C: Noble, Pendlebury, Daicos
HF: Elliott, DC, Mihocek
F: Stephenson, Cox, JT
R: Grundy, Adams, Greenwood
INT: Philips, C Brown, T Brown, WHE

Week after against GC will be seriously interesting. JDG will be ready, Treloar touch and go, Howe touch and go, Reid and Sier close. When is Sidey's last chance to make it back into the hub?

 

[Rorzza]

Out: Mayne In: Greenwood
Out: Callum Brown In: Broomhead

Callum at junior level and early last year in the AFL showed he was and has the capability to be a goal kicking mid. Callum has totally lost his touch for goals. I would like Callum to play in the twos for a period as a high half forward who pinches in the midfield.

 

[grayza2018]

Consistency? I’m not sure how you could possibly say that. He’s the most inconsistent player in the squad. One week he can take 10 marks and kick a goal or two and then the next couple he can do donuts. Or are we saying we know he will be consistently inconsistent?

I think he clarified the comment a few further down from the original

 

[domus]

Maynes toughness is to be admired. Puts guys like WHE and Phillips to shame.

Ultimately though that can’t be enough to justify his selection.

Why would you question Phillips courage? He always puts his head over the ball. His disposal is an issue but his toughness should be unquestioned.

 

[grayza2018]

Hard to see Cameron surviving the selection chop, but going to be an interesting one at match committee as to how they structure up, given Cox just playing forward probably benefits him a lot more. I wouldn't be against Lynch debuting

Bianco at some point too, some highlights again in the scratch match, his kicking looks a cut above

 

[Finnishpie]

Broomhead seems like the classic guy who dominates VFL, or state league footy otherwise, but can't crack it at the top level because it's just that level too quick for him. He never has the time nor space in AFL that he does in VFL/scratch matches

yeah, but he’s being played out of position. He’s a midfielder. Mayne is a good example of a player who struggled as a forward. Put on the wing and became an essential cog. Same with Daicos. So sure, I half agree with you. But I say give him a solid block of three games alternating mid and forward as he does at VFL and let him play to his strengths. Because one-touch hands and elite kicking is something we actually need more than anything.

but, I could be wrong

 

[gouki88]

yeah, but he’s being played out of position. He’s a midfielder. Mayne is a good example of a player who struggled as a forward. Put on the wing and became an essential cog. Same with Daicos. So sure, I half agree with you. But I say give him a solid block of three games alternating mid and forward as he does at VFL and let him play to his strengths. Because one-touch hands and elite kicking is something we actually need more than anything.

but, I could be wrong

I'm not sure who he forces out of our mid rotation though. Pendlebury, Adams, Elliott, Greenwood and T Brown have all looked in good form recently

 

[stormskye]

Out: mayne (inj), Cameron (omitted)
In: greenwood, Lynch (debut)

C brown needs VFL time to work on things, gain confidence but hard this year.
Broomy by all accounts dominating scratch matches, but is he a great vfl player that can’t step up? Big risk to bring him in given season on line. Could he play forward/mid... like all deserves a decent run, dropped after first game in how long, but 3 must win games for finals... mmm.


Phillips wasn’t amazing but was serviceable. did some ok things, did some bad things, disposal still an issue. Him and C Brown I’m def open to changes and are the likely two weaker links atm. C brown can’t fault his effort, just, not quite there atm Needs a good pres season and some size

I’d still like ruscoe in the team but hard to balance.

 

[HenrikLundqvist]

Out: Mayne In: Greenwood
Out: Callum Brown In: Broomhead

Callum at junior level and early last year in the AFL showed he was and has the capability to be a goal kicking mid. Callum has totally lost his touch for goals. I would like Callum to play in the twos for a period as a high half forward who pinches in the midfield.

A high half forward who can't kick 15-30 meters accurately let alone 50 meters?

Should be one of the first moved on along with Mayne, Phillips, Varcoe, Reid, Broomhead.

 

[No SPIN]

A high half forward who can't kick 15-30 meters accurately let alone 50 meters?

Should be one of the first moved on along with Mayne, Phillips, Varcoe, Reid, Broomhead.

second qtr: 2 outstanding efforts directly leading to goals - especially the one where he beat 3 Carlton players to start a chain leading to Stevos goal.
He can kick goals as you said - but his inside game will save him once he adds some more bulk.
He will improve just like Daicos once he gets a bit more confidence.

 

[Finnishpie]

I'm not sure who he forces out of our mid rotation though. Pendlebury, Adams, Elliott, Greenwood and T Brown have all looked in good form recently

yeah, that’s his problem. I‘d still try to give him some rotations. Bit more forward rime for Elliot and T Brown I’d suggest. But it’s a real problem. Maybe wing if zmayne is out for a while.

 

[Finnishpie]

Out: mayne (inj), Cameron (omitted)
In: greenwood, Lynch (debut)

C brown needs VFL time to work on things, gain confidence but hard this year.
Broomy by all accounts dominating scratch matches, but is he a great vfl player that can’t step up? Big risk to bring him in given season on line. Could he play forward/mid... like all deserves a decent run, dropped after first game in how long, but 3 must win games for finals... mmm.


Phillips wasn’t amazing but was serviceable. did some ok things, did some bad things, disposal still an issue. Him and C Brown I’m def open to changes and are the likely two weaker links atm. C brown can’t fault his effort, just, not quite there atm Needs a good pres season and some size

I’d still like ruscoe in the team but hard to balance.

c Brown is as big as hell ever get

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I think we have little hope, the draw has been stacked against us all season.

I think we need to rest the warriors Grundy, Adams, Moore and Maynard. The club will know who needs to be rested. The last thing we want is to make the finals and have one of those 4 out injured. Single it early enough, and the Lions might also rest some players.

Out: Maynard, Moore, Grundy, Adams Mayne.

In: Greenwood, Langdon, Lynch, Wills and Rantall.

Perfect time to introduce Langdon and to bring back Greenwood before the bye.

We have our bye after the Brisbane game, so why rest them now?

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Out: Mayne

In: Greenwood

Cameron stays in, but wouldn't surprise me if we brought in another running player like a Rantall. If we play the 2 talls in F50, Mihocek l consider a medium size forward, then we need to keep the ball away from Andrews, when delivering inside F50, as he will mark everything if we just bomb it inside F50.

 

[Spuddd]

Keep this in mind, we have won 4 of our last 5 and just come off one of our better performances for the year. I put only Doggies and Cats wins higher.

Why would we want to change this formula?

Unfortunately Mayne has to go out, but with Greenwood likely available this is an easy decision.

Sure Cameron had a mare, but its integral to the structure and likely the reason we won. I saw something posted around her recently that showed the pillars to the forward/ruck combo of the top teams:

Richmond - Lynch, Riewoldt, Nankervis, Soldo
West Coast - Kennedy, Darling, Nic Nat, Allen
Geelong - Hawkins, Rohan, Stanley, Blicavs
Port Adelaide - Dixon, Lycett, Marshall, Westhoff
Collingwood - Cox, Cameron, Miochek, Grundy

Looking at those teams, consider Richmond. Riewoldt was stinking it up at the start of the season, Lynch took most of the load. Its evened up a bit more over recent weeks though.

On their own, at lot of 'non stars' there but they are just as important to be out there taking a defender as the 'stars' who are kicking goals.

Prior to the last few weeks our set up has been:

Collingwood - Cameron, Miochek and Grundy

Seldom have we played the third tall, what that means is that if one of the above guys arent 'on' theres less players to fill the void.

With that in mind, Lynch does not get a game for mine, Cameron knows the structure and has shown he can pop up when required. He can make way when De Goey becomes available.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I’m okay with losing if someone other than Neale beats us.

 

[magpies42]

We have our bye after the Brisbane game, so why rest them now?

To get them fit to the bye...or maybe play them for a half game I don’t know. Which just can’t afford to turn up to finals with anymore injuries, if we get anymore we may as well not play...

 

[Harry O]

Can't see them picking Darcy Cameron again. 5 200cm+ players at the Gabba in a night game would be madness

 

[Silky23]

To get them fit to the bye...or maybe play them for a half game I don’t know. Which just can’t afford to turn up to finals with anymore injuries, if we get anymore we may as well not play...

Id nearly be with you on this but our bye falls in line perfectly with the end of the condensed fixturing and the restart of the traditional fixturing.
So from the Brisbane game to our next game we have 10 days rest which is nearly 2 weeks. That’s plenty of time off. If we had the bye fall in between 2 condensed rounds then the week off would only result in possibly 5/6 days rest but this way works better for us. Everyone will play.

 

[Apex36]

Keep this in mind, we have won 4 of our last 5 and just come off one of our better performances for the year. I put only Doggies and Cats wins higher.

Why would we want to change this formula?

Unfortunately Mayne has to go out, but with Greenwood likely available this is an easy decision.

Sure Cameron had a mare, but its integral to the structure and likely the reason we won. I saw something posted around her recently that showed the pillars to the forward/ruck combo of the top teams:

Richmond - Lynch, Riewoldt, Nankervis, Soldo
West Coast - Kennedy, Darling, Nic Nat, Allen
Geelong - Hawkins, Rohan, Stanley, Blicavs
Port Adelaide - Dixon, Lycett, Marshall, Westhoff
Collingwood - Cox, Cameron, Miochek, Grundy

Looking at those teams, consider Richmond. Riewoldt was stinking it up at the start of the season, Lynch took most of the load. Its evened up a bit more over recent weeks though.

On their own, at lot of 'non stars' there but they are just as important to be out there taking a defender as the 'stars' who are kicking goals.

Prior to the last few weeks our set up has been:

Collingwood - Cameron, Miochek and Grundy

Seldom have we played the third tall, what that means is that if one of the above guys arent 'on' theres less players to fill the void.

With that in mind, Lynch does not get a game for mine, Cameron knows the structure and has shown he can pop up when required. He can make way when De Goey becomes available.

You’re completely and utterly overestimating the impact of having Cameron in the side alongside Cox.

 

[Silky23]

You’re completely and utterly overestimating the impact of having Cameron in the side alongside Cox.

Is he? Most teams run with 3 KPD’s or 2 plus a designated intercept defender.
We drop Cameron and play a small, that third defender will pay no respect to the small (WHE, JT, Brown type) and zone off to double team Cox or Checkers.
It’s about having a guy with height whom the defenders HAVE to respect due to the ability to clunk a grab. Hence the reason that stats isn’t always the main thing when looking at forward structures. How many times do you see all of Richmond/WCE/Giants players all going off at once? It’s called sacrifice.
I 100% think Cameron is important to structure even if he doesn’t get the stats. Most likely this week he’ll bob up and kick 2 and Cox won’t do much but it’s what the rest around him do. Checkers looks so so much better when he has the third tall chasing him around the field and he has so much more freedom instead of being a designated tall to kick to down the line. That’s not him.

 

[Apex36]

Is he? Most teams run with 3 KPD’s or 2 plus a designated intercept defender.
We drop Cameron and play a small, that third defender will pay no respect to the small (WHE, JT, Brown type) and zone off to double team Cox or Checkers.
It’s about having a guy with height whom the defenders HAVE to respect due to the ability to clunk a grab. Hence the reason that stats isn’t always the main thing when looking at forward structures. How many times do you see all of Richmond/WCE/Giants players all going off at once? It’s called sacrifice.
I 100% think Cameron is important to structure even if he doesn’t get the stats. Most likely this week he’ll bob up and kick 2 and Cox won’t do much but it’s what the rest around him do. Checkers looks so so much better when he has the third tall chasing him around the field and he has so much more freedom instead of being a designated tall to kick to down the line. That’s not him.

Bring Ruscoe back in, you know, the 192cm forward who kicked more goals than anyone else in the team in the past month before somehow being dropped. You reckon teams will just let him run free and pay him no respect?
Like, legit, I can’t remember Cameron even once making a marking contest inside 50 this week. The only thing he was useful for was giving Grundy an extended break in the 3rd, aside from that he was as useless as **** on a bull. He absolutely wouldn’t draw any more attention from defenders than Ruscoe would.