Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

[Kurve]

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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The Untold Story of Adelaide's Gay Hate Murders

 

[Bits]

Well, I'm still going through the thread - need to get a summary of what's been said in here. Since these things all happened nearly 40 years ago, some memories are pretty vague.

But around this time I worked for Don Storen and knew Doctor Steve. As I was from the northern suburbs and still a teenager, I knew people who had known Alan Barnes so learned back them that he was known as 'Spook'. I can't say I knew Mother Goose or Molvena that much; more like I knew of them, but these names (and other descriptions such as well-known 'Lawyer' and 'radio broadcaster - well there were a few of these...) bring back memories.

Looking forward to your input when you’ve caught up with the thread. Will be interested to hear your thoughts.

 

[AdelaideGT]

From what I can remember there was all sorts of rumours about Dunstan frequenting the Green Dragon so if he was there with Storen then it makes sense how those rumours started.

Don might have attended one or two functions at the Dragon (like the opening night or similar 'gala' events to do Don a favour) but was hardly seen in public gay circles around the 'Family Era'. You were more likely to see Adriana Xenides at the Dragon than Dunstan.

Dunstan and Storen were more often seen together at culinary events (top class restaurants - again for launches and the like - and some private lunch/dinner parties) particularly after Don published his cookbook/started a restaurant/began a relationship with a guy (instead of his two previous wives).

It does remind me that Adelaide really was like a 'small country town' back then. Even as a teen, it wasn't that hard back then to say you 'knew' Don Dunstan (or insert any other well known figure) because you probably knew someone who was friends with them and you had met - however briefly - in a social situation.

I think Storen was seen as a 'person of interest' because he knew virtually EVERYONE in the gay and influential/cultured/important SA communities back then.

 

[AdelaideGT]

The Family

** If anyone has any updates or spots any errors, just let me know.

These summary posts are great - wish I'd seen one earlier lol

Might post a few suggestions later - already spent too long trawling this thread tonight

 

[Power Ballad]

I was watching "I'll Be Gone in the Dark", the HBO series about the Golden State Killer and it reminded me of this thread, and how so many people have added so much information on it that would otherwise be unavailable, including some first-hand accounts.

Unfortunately, it seems that the trail is cold on this right now.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Don might have attended one or two functions at the Dragon (like the opening night or similar 'gala' events to do Don a favour) but was hardly seen in public gay circles around the 'Family Era'.

Just realising - with the aid of wikipedia - that Don Dunstan was resident in Victoria during 1982-86 (the main era of 'the family conspiracies'). Don't think the Dragon opened until 1983 so he wouldn't have been there (or in cahoots with Storen) very often..

 

[GypsyDreams]

https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-family-murders-greg-mcinerny/ebook/9781649692283.html A good read.

 

[GypsyDreams]

 

[Bits]

Just downloaded a sample to decide if I want to buy it. Here are the first four pages.

 

[Kurve]

https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-family-murders-greg-mcinerny/ebook/9781649692283.html A good read.

Thanks Gypsy, I'm only a few pages into the sample but it's making sense particularly in the how and where the origins of the family were. Good find.

 

[Bits]

https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-family-murders-greg-mcinerny/ebook/9781649692283.html A good read.

thanks Gypsy. Are you involved with this book at all?

 

[GypsyDreams]

Thanks Gypsy, I'm only a few pages into the sample but it's making sense particularly in the how and where the origins of the family were. Good find.

Yes, I’m one of the authors

 

[GypsyDreams]

Thanks Gypsy, I'm only a few pages in but it's making sense particularly in the how and where the origins of the family were. Good find.

Glad you are enjoying it. I’m one of the authors. Please feel free to share it amongst anyone interested in the topic.

 

[GypsyDreams]

thanks Gypsy. Are you involved with this book at all?

thanks Gypsy. Are you involved with this book at all?

Yes I’m one of the authors ( Wendy )

 

[Bits]

Yes I’m one of the authors ( Wendy )

I‘ve finished reading it. Obviously a quick read this time but I will read it again to pick up the details.

Thank you for filling in many gaps.

 

[HK_Hawk]

Yes I’m one of the authors ( Wendy )

Thanks Wendy, I'm also enjoying the read and it has given me a whole new depth of understanding and thought around the topic. I just had a question around the identity of "A" in the Peter Stogneff chapter. Is that one of the three Mrs Stogneff younger brothers?

 

[Power Ballad]

All those first 4 pages did was make me angry, not at the authors obviously, but that this situation even exists. Why would BVE give any further admission or testimony when:

A. He most likely has a clear disdain for police since he basically witnessed vice officers kill George Duncan and get away with it.
B. He allegedly offered to confess to more after his mother's death and then it happened, and nothing.
C. They locked him up in a virtual paradise of young men, gave him protective status and serve him up his favourites. Why would he want to leave?

 

[Bits]

GypsyDreams Hi Wendy, I do hope you come back to this thread. If you do, would you be open to answering questions? I know I have a couple and I’m sure others will too. Thanks

 

[Kurve]

Why is it so quiet in here? I've read the new book and I know there's some eye popping information in there but there's a lot to take in.

Did any of us know BVE was also a crossdresser?

 

[AdelaideGT]

Did any of us know BVE was also a crossdresser?

You're making the assumption that the clothes were for him to wear..

But I have a vague memory I might have heard/read something in the past.

 

[Kurve]

You're making the assumption that the clothes were for him to wear..

But I have a vague memory I might have heard/read something in the past.

One of the girls he worked with saw him in drag.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Regarding 'Doctor Steve', I knew him around the time of the murder(s).

I can't tell from the recent photos from court-cases if it is the same one I remember. Wish I could tell for sure.

The one in my memory did live for a time with an Adelaide lawyer in North Adelaide. These two weren't in a relationship as the lawyer had a boyfriend. There were rumours on the scene that 'Doctor Steve' (probably in his mid-30s at the time) had slipped something in the drinks of (legal age) youngsters he wanted to take home. I remember asking someone about this and they commented 'most of those guys would gladly accept those pills if they were offered them by him' and I had to agree.

After the Kelvin murder, a plain-clothes detective attended the Mars Bar most nights, hanging with the manager and accompanying him to some other venues/events. I suppose it was a chance for him to observe the happenings on the scene and perhaps overhear something of interest.

One night he was there and I, along with a bunch of other attendees, was invited back to someone's place for drinks. The detective accompanied the group to this impromptu party and there were a number of people already there when we arrived, including the above lawyer and Doctor Steve.

I wondered later to someone where Doctor Steve had disappeared to after we arrived and was told that once he had heard there was a detective at this informal get-together, he had gone and hidden in a bedroom or wardrobe.

 

[AdelaideGT]

I've seen a few comments about 'tv/radio personalities' in this thread. Though some are about Ric Marshall (who I only saw as a kid watching 'Young Seven' the children's TV show he used to co-host), I can think of a few (one of whom is, I think, still working in Adelaide media) others - two of them were sports commentators/reporters.

The one I think still works in Adelaide may have never married. He mainly reported on AFL so wouldn't be surprised if he's actually a member of the bigfooty forum lol. I doubt he had anything to do with the Family, but it's notable that quite a few in the media were known to like to pick up guys outside of 'the scene' at this time.

The other one I know of was, at the time, probably mid-30s and married with kids. He didn't socialise at any of the pubs/clubs on the scene - at least that I knew - as he was quite high profile at the time. But he used to drive to some of the beats around Adelaide - probably after he had finished his sports reporting duties at Channel 7 and/or the radio station he also worked for (5AD?) - and pick up guys. He seemed to like those who were boy-next-door types, like myself back then, aged around 20.

So it was no surprise to me a year or two after I first encountered him to read the story 'mystery attack on Adelaide TV personality' in the Advertiser.
Apparently he had offered some young guy a lift around the vicinity of the Torrens Bridge (aka the 'Number One' beat) late at night and (I assume after the personality put the hard word on him) the young guy had pulled a knife and took quite a few slices out of our sports reporter.

I thought at the time 'I wonder how he is going to explain this to his missus'. I knew he had a wife and kids as he'd earlier offered me the chance to stay at his house for a week when his family were going interstate for a holiday and it was impossible for him to go because of 'work duties'. I'm not sure if he was wanting me to cook and clean for him during this time, but I knew he did expect me to have duties in the bedroom and - for his particular fetish - in the bathroom.

There were plenty of other 'media-types' in those times (some are still writing/broadcasting) who, if they weren't 100% gay, were certainly interested in a casual encounter with the same sex. Even those who were 100% heterosexual could often be seen at public events socialising with well-known gay personalities (like Don Storen or others well-known in the arts industry).

 

[GreyCrow]

So it was no surprise to me a year or two after I first encountered him to read the story 'mystery attack on Adelaide TV personality' in the Advertiser.
Apparently he had offered some young guy a lift around the vicinity of the Torrens Bridge (aka the 'Number One' beat) late at night and (I assume after the personality put the hard word on him) the young guy had pulled a knife and took quite a few slices out of our sports reporter.

CMc

 

[Burton89onegoal]

Any hints (initials?) re media personalities being discussed in this thread (I was living in regional SA in early 1980s, so didnt see much Adelaide tv at that time)?

 

[Bits]

Has anyone else read the book?

I know Kurve has and we would love to discuss it further here. HK_Hawk has also read it I think.

I know that some of the info in the book is true because I’ve verified it through other sources (eg Pru Firman’s original name) but there is still a lot of new info that needs to be analysed/verified.

One example - the book says that BvE and Derrance were lovers. Has anyone heard this before?