List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[HereComesJuddy]

Why Unpopular? Took is a gun, has a winners mentality, cracks in, seems entrenched at GC but who knows,

Where would he fit though? is he fast enough, is he an Ollie Wines lite?

Lets say we got Took or a Wines, or Viney, do you persist with Kennedy, Dow or a Stocker or do you trade them off to then target another area of need?

100% you persist with Dow and Stocker. Kennedy yes also. But I suppose it depends on list size and what areas Austin believes we have covered or not.

 

[TENACIOUS]

I believe we need 4 rucks on the list.
Two ready to play each week (TDK & Pittonet).
One as a valid backup (Kreuz).
One developing in the 2s (not yet on the list).

Sam Walsh’s brother would be an interesting ruck prospect. Should he have any of Sam’s drive & ability

 

[DangerousD]

100% you persist with Dow and Stocker. Kennedy yes also. But I suppose it depends on list size and what areas Austin believes we have covered or not.

You would persist with all of those guys even if you bring in a player who is similar style but way inferior? Dow I wouldn’t call similar but Kennedy struggles now to get a game. I don’t see much point in carrying a long list of players who you know won’t feature much, I’d rather go to the draft if they held some currency.

Im talking Kennedy here

 

[bluegrass]

See how it says injured shoulder?

Rest SPS ? FFS you have to do something to earn a rest or deserve it. If he is on the field playing then he is deemed fit enough. There is no excuse for how soft he is and how he refuses to put his body on the line. Then there is his kicking which are usually about 20 metres and still cant hit a target !

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Lots of people are calling for us to go after Wines hard after a few impressive performances. Don't get me wrong, he's on fire at the moment, and he's a fantastic player, but he's not the kind of mid we need.

The issue with our midfield at the moment is that they absolutely dominate clearances, but once the game transitions into the possession stage they go missing.

This issue is highlighted most by how easily teams transition from their back 50 to their forward 50. We lock it in our forward 50 really well with our pressure, but once it gets out it's a few kicks or link up handballs and they're getting a clean look inside 50. This was on full display the last few weeks against Collingwood and GWS, they had similar or less inside 50's than us, but their looks were a lot better because there was no pressure on the buildup to the forward 50 entry. It's honestly a testament to our backline that we haven't been smashed recently because they're being hung out to dry week after week.

This is fine FOR THE TIME BEING, I'm not expecting Cripps, Curnow etc. to be covering 20km a game and running both ways in transition, that's not the kind of players they are. They're there to absolutely dominate clearances, which they do. Our list doesn't have enough two way mids to be able to stop this killing us every week, so it's something we have to live with for the moment.

HOWEVER, this is exactly why I will be fuming if we prioritise the Wines/Crouchs/Vineys of the world, because they make our roster of mids even more lopsided. They make us better at something we already excel at (contested ball and clearences), and only serve to compound the issues we have (defending in transition).

Zac Williams would be PERFECT for us due to his speed and running capacity. I truly think that even with the small sample size he can be a gun mid, and a fantastic fit for us, he would definitely provide some two way running to help with our transition defence (I could go on about how he also brings a fantastic inside/outside nous as a mid to compliment our offensive game, but this is already turning into a super long post).

Just under the radar, I think Marty Hore from Melbourne would also be a pretty good get, but dunno how gettable he would be. Out of contract, would be cheap, and I think he could be a good tall, defensive winger who would help with our transition issues a bunch. Great reader of the ball, and fantastic intercept mark.

Additionally, hopefully next year LOB starts to come on and take a spot on the wing and Walsh moves into the middle, which should also help us a great deal, I don't think I need to comment on his two-way running as he's already the best at the club in that regard.

Sorry for the long post but I had a lot to get off of my chest.

TL;DR: We don't need contested ball winning mids like Wines as we are already good at that, we need gut running two-way mids to help our transition defence issues, Zac Williams would be perfect for this.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Anyone know what is actually going on with Stocker?

View attachment 954048View attachment 954048
[/QUOTE

Stocker posting this is wrong on so many levels.

 

[THE_GUN]

Yeap plenty of other cheaper/OOC options

Narkle, Parfitt, Lonie, Spargo

Really think Narkle is the one for you guys , He is very talented and has fantastic speed and a good size for a small foward
very under utilised at the cats and would probably come cheap with massive upside. Carlton have Martin/Betts/SPS at the club so the kid wouldnt struggle to bond and probably enjoy the guidance of Betts.

There are rumblings on some richmond forums that Paddy Dow may be of interest at Punt Road, How would this go down with most of you guys and what type of value would the supporter base be happy or atleast content with if that was to eventuate

 

[Opine]

...There are rumblings on some richmond forums that Paddy Dow may be of interest at Punt Road, How would this go down with most of you guys and what type of value would the supporter base be happy or atleast content with if that was to eventuate

If that was to eventuate, your club should make provisions to take back your previous head of membership sales.

 

[THE_GUN]

If that was to eventuate, your club should make provisions to take back your previous head of membership sales.

I dont think Carlton would let Liddle go , From what has been talked about they are extremely happy with what he is doing at Carlton.

He also has to accept a lower job than what he currently has as Gale is doing well.

You dont like him ?

 

[Opine]

I dont think Carlton would let Liddle go , From what has been talked about they are extremely happy with what he is doing at Carlton.

He also has to accept a lower job than what he currently has as Gale is doing well.

You dont like him ?

It’s a short story with some rather complex context; so I best not answer your question. But as for Gale, you‘ are correct, He is a bloody gem. I wish we had someone like him at CFC.

As for Dow, I wouldn’t trade him. He‘s going to be a fine player. it doesn’t surprise me that Richmond folk are interested in where things are at with Paddy.

 

[THE_GUN]

It’s a short story with some rather complex context; so I best not answer your question. But as for Gale, you‘ are correct, He is a bloody gem. I wish we had someone like him at CFC.

As for Dow, I wouldn’t trade him. He‘s going to be a fine player. it doesn’t surprise me that Richmond folk are interested in where things are at with Paddy.

Cool

Got mentioned on a couple of other Richmond sites and with his brother at the club thats pretty normal but was mentioned by people who are usually pretty good so who knows. On another note do you guys think the 3rd Silvagni will be drafted ?

 

[Opine]

Cool

Got mentioned on a couple of other Richmond sites and with his brother at the club thats pretty normal but was mentioned by people who are usually pretty good so who knows. On another note do you guys think the 3rd Silvagni will be drafted ?

I don’t know enough about the 3rd SOS talent wise.

 

[Arr0w]

Really think Narkle is the one for you guys , He is very talented and has fantastic speed and a good size for a small foward
very under utilised at the cats and would probably come cheap with massive upside. Carlton have Martin/Betts/SPS at the club so the kid wouldnt struggle to bond and probably enjoy the guidance of Betts.

There are rumblings on some richmond forums that Paddy Dow may be of interest at Punt Road, How would this go down with most of you guys and what type of value would the supporter base be happy or atleast content with if that was to eventuate

Let you in on a little secret Gun, names I am mentioning is more a pisstake on value when comparing players to Papley, but no one has twigged yet, so we will leave it for another time

As for Dow, his value is low at the moment, so I wouldn't be trading him. He will improve, but the club needs to stop trying to manufacture a finesse footballer, just let him hunt the footy

 

[Sheephead]

Cool

Got mentioned on a couple of other Richmond sites and with his brother at the club thats pretty normal but was mentioned by people who are usually pretty good so who knows. On another note do you guys think the 3rd Silvagni will be drafted ?

3SOS might get a shot depending on list sizes. If they cut the sizes a number of decent Vic kids might miss out due to not being seen enough, 3SOS included. We may have seen enough, hard to say.
Is Stack going to be retained? Pretty big stuff up. Should almost be de-registered, I mean it’s more than a night out due to COVID and the AFL being put in jeopardy.

 

[spry]

Really think Narkle is the one for you guys , He is very talented and has fantastic speed and a good size for a small foward
very under utilised at the cats and would probably come cheap with massive upside. Carlton have Martin/Betts/SPS at the club so the kid wouldnt struggle to bond and probably enjoy the guidance of Betts.

There are rumblings on some richmond forums that Paddy Dow may be of interest at Punt Road,

I remember watching Narkle in a final last year and thinking geez this kid is poised and clean.

Would also look sublime in navy blue


As for Dow, I think his deficiencies are still similar although better from when he was drafted. Selling low now doesn’t justify the potential uptick in performance from increased endurance that will come from a few more pre seasons.

I have heard club talk of him as a slow burn.

Will be interesting if he can get his instinct and confidence back after being belted in 18 and 19


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[rp84]

Lots of people are calling for us to go after Wines hard after a few impressive performances. Don't get me wrong, he's on fire at the moment, and he's a fantastic player, but he's not the kind of mid we need.

The issue with our midfield at the moment is that they absolutely dominate clearances, but once the game transitions into the possession stage they go missing.

This issue is highlighted most by how easily teams transition from their back 50 to their forward 50. We lock it in our forward 50 really well with our pressure, but once it gets out it's a few kicks or link up handballs and they're getting a clean look inside 50. This was on full display the last few weeks against Collingwood and GWS, they had similar or less inside 50's than us, but their looks were a lot better because there was no pressure on the buildup to the forward 50 entry. It's honestly a testament to our backline that we haven't been smashed recently because they're being hung out to dry week after week.

This is fine FOR THE TIME BEING, I'm not expecting Cripps, Curnow etc. to be covering 20km a game and running both ways in transition, that's not the kind of players they are. They're there to absolutely dominate clearances, which they do. Our list doesn't have enough two way mids to be able to stop this killing us every week, so it's something we have to live with for the moment.

HOWEVER, this is exactly why I will be fuming if we prioritise the Wines/Crouchs/Vineys of the world, because they make our roster of mids even more lopsided. They make us better at something we already excel at (contested ball and clearences), and only serve to compound the issues we have (defending in transition).

Zac Williams would be PERFECT for us due to his speed and running capacity. I truly think that even with the small sample size he can be a gun mid, and a fantastic fit for us, he would definitely provide some two way running to help with our transition defence (I could go on about how he also brings a fantastic inside/outside nous as a mid to compliment our offensive game, but this is already turning into a super long post).

Just under the radar, I think Marty Hore from Melbourne would also be a pretty good get, but dunno how gettable he would be. Out of contract, would be cheap, and I think he could be a good tall, defensive winger who would help with our transition issues a bunch. Great reader of the ball, and fantastic intercept mark.

Additionally, hopefully next year LOB starts to come on and take a spot on the wing and Walsh moves into the middle, which should also help us a great deal, I don't think I need to comment on his two-way running as he's already the best at the club in that regard.

Sorry for the long post but I had a lot to get off of my chest.

TL;DR: We don't need contested ball winning mids like Wines as we are already good at that, we need gut running two-way mids to help our transition defence issues, Zac Williams would be perfect for this.

My preference is absolutely Williams though he might sign on. We will offer him 800k and a midfield role if that's what he wants. He won't be coming to play on a flank, IMO.

Secondly, our clearance stats look good but how often do we actually get clean exits with those clearances. It occurs so rarely. Having highly skilled clearance players around the stoppage allow the ball to ping around a couple times before finding space for effective disposal. Currently its usually curnow just banging it on the boot. We are dreadful at centre stoppage setups. We just have a couple players that are fantastic at finding the ball. Both our offensive and defensive schemes are terrible (but defensive is getting a little better). Wines or crouch (if fit) dramatically improve these areas, despite their lack of leg speed.

 

[Madblue]

See how it says injured shoulder?

Sorry didnt realise that he has had a shoulder injury for years which has prevented him from putting his body on the line, effected his disposal as well as his lack of effort.....my bad

 

[KnobHead]

Rest SPS ? FFS you have to do something to earn a rest or deserve it. If he is on the field playing then he is deemed fit enough. There is no excuse for how soft he is and how he refuses to put his body on the line. Then there is his kicking which are usually about 20 metres and still cant hit a target !

Lol - No AFL player is soft.

Get some are harder than others, but none of them are soft.



Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[swuzzlebubble]

TL;DR: We don't need contested ball winning mids like Wines as we are already good at that, we need gut running two-way mids to help our transition defence issues, Zac Williams would be perfect for this.

What about chop-out for Cripps?
Setterfield and Kennedy covering this or was that a false dawn?

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

What about chop-out for Cripps?
Setterfield and Kennedy covering this or was that a false dawn?

Setterfield, Kennedy, Stocker, Kemp, potentially JSOS, Walsh when he matures and bulks up all can provide chop out for Crippa, either right now or in the future.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Setterfield, Kennedy, Stocker, Kemp, potentially JSOS, Walsh when he matures and bulks up all can provide chop out for Crippa, either right now or in the future.

They're doing it very discreetly

 

[rp84]

Setterfield, Kennedy, Stocker, Kemp, potentially JSOS, Walsh when he matures and bulks up all can provide chop out for Crippa, either right now or in the future.

None of the first 5 players can even be mentioned in the same paragraph as Wines or Crouch (except to say they're not even close).

Whilst its lower on the list than break away pace midfielder and a gun small forward, there is no way we wouldn't take a 30 touch inside midfielder with class for the right price.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

None of the first 5 players can even be mentioned in the same paragraph as Wines or Crouch (except to say they're not even close)

Also it's a bit like saying we have Fisher, O'Brien, Cottrell, Philip, Honey to cover the outside run.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

None of the first 5 players can even be mentioned in the same paragraph as Wines or Crouch (except to say they're not even close).

Whilst its lower on the list than break away pace midfielder and a gun small forward, there is no way we wouldn't take a 30 touch inside midfielder with class for the right price.

It's why if you go back and look at my original post I said I'd be fuming if we prioritised them. Obviously if we can't get deals done for Williams or Papley etc. etc. we'd be mad not to make a trade for them if they're available, but they're pretty low on the priority list IMO.

 

[smashbox gill]

Imo LOB, Kennedy, TDK and Cunners need to play every game for the rest of the year. Wasted in the 2’s so let’s get them games in the 1‘s.

Would also like Macraedie and Owies to get a look in at some point