News Adam Saad nominates Carlton

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

There's always clubs looking to climb up the draft order.

I find it hard to believe that with clubs wanting to take minimal picks this year that there wouldn't be at least two clubs looking to do so.

But yes, it is a valid point you make regarding the type of picks required assuming the Bulldogs aren't trying to swap it for a future first and match the JUH bid with other picks via trade.

Twomey now reporting that the JUH bid could be placed from pick 4 onwards in the draft. He was bang on the money about Tom Green

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around the pick 10 mark last year. They may not need as many points as people might think after the discount.

I’d be very surprised if Austin doesn’t have 2 maybe 3 teams as possible trade downs/swaps that will all come out in the wash.. I heard Twomey on the possibility of him sliding to#4 great for the bulldogs if it happens plenty of options for them, Rendell on radio said on last years form he rated him clearly #1 but thought Crows should go for 201cm fwd/ruck homegrown Thilthorpe... the way i see it no chance Crows will bid on him but Nth Syd Haw are every chance simply if they rate him that much there’s no way the Dogs aren’t matching the bid anyway...

 

[Eiffel 65]

I’d be very surprised if Austin doesn’t have 2 maybe 3 teams as possible trade downs/swaps that will all come out in the wash.. I heard Twomey on the possibility of him sliding to#4 great for the bulldogs if it happens plenty of options for them, Rendell on radio said on last years form he rated him clearly #1 but thought Crows should go for 201cm fwd/ruck homegrown Thilthorpe... the way i see it no chance Crows will bid on him but Nth Syd Haw are every chance simply if they rate him that much there’s no way the Dogs aren’t matching the bid anyway...

I don't think he does. Pick 8 will be handed over to Essendon in pretty much a straight swap. The narrative will be "we got our man" and "we rate Saad very highly".

My biggest concern is the old Carlton is back and we'll go down a path of trading valuable assets for average players.

It's a sure-fire way to creating a middle of the road team.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I don't think he does. Pick 8 will be handed over to Essendon in pretty much a straight swap. The narrative will be "we got our man" and "we rate Saad very highly".

My biggest concern is the old Carlton is back and we'll go down a path of trading valuable assets for average players.

It's a sure-fire way to creating a middle of the road team.

Disagree... but in no longer than 4days we will all know, no doubt when we do there will be plenty of opinions flying around ...

 

[SurreyBlue]

I don't think he does. Pick 8 will be handed over to Essendon in pretty much a straight swap. The narrative will be "we got our man" and "we rate Saad very highly".

My biggest concern is the old Carlton is back and we'll go down a path of trading valuable assets for average players.

It's a sure-fire way to creating a middle of the road team.

Have to admit, I’m a little in this way as well. Hope we are proven wrong.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Disagree... but in no longer than 4days we will all know, no doubt when we do there will be plenty of opinions flying around ...

Hope you're right

 

[Coona Blues]

I agree with this 100%.

I have been very confused by the media reports and attitude on this one the whole way through. The notion that we played it bad and no club would want to trade up to 8 made no sense whatsoever. It was like, you must believe this because... reasons. I really wish I could observe this without a dog in the fight to see if I'm actually living in bizarro world. I hate being a conspiracy theorist but it feels like the media has been cheering this along and 'working against us'.

I have also seen very little in the way of common sense when explaining why an OoC HBF is worth a pick like 8 when we are involved, but it has never been the case ever... Dunno, just very confusing.

I got severe backlash when I last said it, but if Austin folds to Dodoro here on an OoC player that's already walked on his first deal, putting him in the role was a big error.

I don't think he does. Pick 8 will be handed over to Essendon in pretty much a straight swap. The narrative will be "we got our man" and "we rate Saad very highly".

My biggest concern is the old Carlton is back and we'll go down a path of trading valuable assets for average players.

It's a sure-fire way to creating a middle of the road team.

Can all posters please hold back on denigrating our new list manager until the deals are actually done. It is OK to have fears, it is not OK for pre-emptive and quite possibly unfounded criticism.

"There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done"

 

[Eiffel 65]

Have to admit, I’m a little in this way as well. Hope we are proven wrong.

The problem is the narrative is so definitive.

Pick 8 for Saad and 48 knocked back by Essendon.

There's no ambiguity about that. It just seems unlikely negotiations go from there to a point where we're handing over say pick 18 following a pick swap with the Lions.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Can all posters please hold back on denigrating our new list manager until the deals are actually done. It is OK to have fears, it is not OK for pre-emptive and quite possibly unfounded criticism.

"There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done"

Maybe he should come out and alleviate our concerns then.

There's no denying the above though. Our last two decades have been a deplorable. No point sugar coating it.

We have a generation of supporters who have only seen failure. That needs to change and it starts with appropriate use/allocation of draft currency and TPP.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Maybe he should come out and alleviate our concerns then.

There's no denying the above though. Our last two decades have been a deplorable. No point sugar coating it.

We have a generation of supporters who have only seen failure. That needs to change and it starts with appropriate use/allocation of draft currency and TPP.

Why ? What concerns - there as been no deal yet and apparently the club has said we aren't going to play this out through the media. Let them do their job.


As per one of my previous posts the only 'concerns' I see is people on here making grandiose statements about what will and won't happen with the trades or getting sucked into pissing contests with people like Yoda and appearing red-faced and bitter with Austin if the trade doesn't go they way they wanted.


My own opinion - I think Austin and Dodoro are probably dealing quite civilly and have already agreed a value for Saad around that late first round area (pick 15-20) and are now working on how that is made up depending on other trades (e.g: Is it 8 and the Fantasia 2nd round pick, Is it Carlton splitting).

 

[SurreyBlue]

Why ? What concerns - there as been no deal yet and apparently the club has said we aren't going to play this out through the media. Let them do their job.


As per one of my previous posts the only 'concerns' I see is people on here making grandiose statements about what will and won't happen with the trades or getting sucked into pissing contests with people like Yoda and appearing red-faced and bitter with Austin if the trade doesn't go they way they wanted.


My own opinion - I think Austin and Dodoro are probably dealing quite civilly and have already agreed a value for Saad around that late first round area (pick 15-20) and are now working on how that is made up depending on other trades (e.g: Is it 8 and the Fantasia 2nd round pick, Is it Carlton splitting).

Harsh! Dodoro is not civil in any trade dealings. He has proven this time and time again. As an example, this was highlighted last year, by being removed by his very own, in the Shiel deal. Unfortunately, I for one don’t have blind faith in our admin as some do. Last years debacle with our management team and subsequent change of personal has left me very uncomfortable. Add all that with the current media and ITK updates and my faith is sitting on edge.

 

[TheKITC]

Can all posters please hold back on denigrating our new list manager until the deals are actually done. It is OK to have fears, it is not OK for pre-emptive and quite possibly unfounded criticism.

"There will be time enough for counting when the dealing's done"

You need to realise firstly I said IF and secondly this is a public forum. There seem to be a fair few who are trying to gatekeep opinions and whatever, but I absolutely don't need you or anyone else that isn't a mod telling me what is and isn't ok... If the media narrative is to be believed (see, used if again) then we are not doing a good job of the Saad trade. I am hopeful that Austin and the team can find what is fair and right for CFC. If Pick 8 is the crux of the deal, it's a huge fail IMO.

Dissect, argue and do whatever else with my opinions, but I don't need to be lectured on what is acceptable for me to speak on. If you don't like it, you don't have to quote it, just move on

 

[bmaurizio]

Austin & Agrestia are quality operators, whom may not have the media persona of a Dodoro , but they ain’t no push overs they will not be easily fooled or ambushed into a bad deal.
I trust both to do the due diligence necessary to extract the very best deal for CFC.

 

[Coona Blues]

You need to realise firstly I said IF and secondly this is a public forum. There seem to be a fair few who are trying to gatekeep opinions and whatever, but I absolutely don't need you or anyone else that isn't a mod telling me what is and isn't ok... If the media narrative is to be believed (see, used if again) then we are not doing a good job of the Saad trade. I am hopeful that Austin and the team can find what is fair and right for CFC. If Pick 8 is the crux of the deal, it's a huge fail IMO.

Dissect, argue and do whatever else with my opinions, but I don't need to be lectured on what is acceptable for me to speak on. If you don't like it, you don't have to quote it, just move on

Once upon a time the media reported factual information which occasionally had a degree of bias due to vested influences.
Unfortunately, today we must view or listen to news that consists of minimal fact and incongruent levels of advertising and posturing.

The above is what gifts Murdoch his millions, and corrupt politicians and businesspeople their careers. Disseminate the facts from the posturing and promotion of various interest and judge the actual rather than the spoon fed crap.

Your right to your premature opinions pales into insignificance compared to the rights of Austin and his like to be judged on deeds and outcomes not misinformation and pre emptive borderline hysteria.

 

[Garters]

That's why Austin needed to give himself a voice through the media.

He's allowed the entire industry to pressure him into handing over pick 8.

Quite simply, it's not good enough.

If it happens, he hasn't done his job to broker a good deal for the club.

Not sure about this. Silence is golden. What's not good enough? All we have seen is Dordoro carrying on like a pork chop because he doesn't have the upper hand. We should and seem to be dragging this into the back end of trade week to force Dordoro's hand and staying tight lipped. Cant assume anything as nothing tangible has been put forward to this point. Well done so far would be my takeaway.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Not sure about this. Silence is golden. What's not good enough? All we have seen is Dordoro carrying on like a pork chop because he doesn't have the upper hand. We should and seem to be dragging this into the back end of trade week to force Dordoro's hand and staying tight lipped. Cant assume anything as nothing tangible has been put forward to this point. Well done so far would be my takeaway.

I do agree with this, but it's been reported that we've been knocked back by Essendon on pick 8 for Saad and 48.

That's not even close to Saad's true value and we're the ones being knocked back.

If we hand over pick 8 for Saad in a straight swap or do the above deal, will you still be of the same opinion?

If the above trade is in fact true, the silence means we're pushovers. I want someone who's going to fight for the best deal for our club.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

The * out bidding us and offering 6 or 7 is such a dumb story, why would * after being gifted a top 10 pick, trade down purely to thwart the Blues?
It makes no sense for them to do it.

Let them try. Geelong have a possible pick swap that will help them get Cameron and the Lions also have a swap. * can't block both without some sort of supporter revolt.

Give them 13 from the Cats or 18+51 (~13) straight swap for Saad, leave the offer open, and go into other trades if we have them going on. If they don't take it by COB Thursday, he goes to the draft. They had their chance.

 

[JrDr]

Would any other team risk taking him before us if we committed to taking him with pick 18 in the national draft (assuming we pick swap with Brisbane)?

The only risk I can see is North at pick 11, still very unlikely.

 

[Arr0w]

Would any other team risk taking him before us if we committed to taking him with pick 18 in the national draft (assuming we pick swap with Brisbane)?

The only risk I can see is North at pick 11, still very unlikely.

Can't see anyone taking him, based on his desire to join us, not wanting to discuss and or conduct a medical with other clubs

 

[HARKER]

Can't see anyone taking him, based on his desire to join us, not wanting to discuss and or conduct a medical with other clubs

Yep. That exactly what SOS said on TR last week.

 

[reubsblues]

People saying saad is average have no idea
He is elite or above average in nearly every key area including 80.9% disposal efficiency 76.1%
By foot he is definitely worth pick 8 in a compromised draft. I recon any pick or upgrades in a favour is a bonus

 

[Vamos Juddamente]

This is such a compromised draft it is not funny. All these players with a year of development lost and of course limited info on who to draft plus obviously the academy players. Pick 8 will be a lottery where Saad is a guaranteed top 10 player for us. Overall hopefully in the past two years we would have gained 3 top 10 players one back, one middle and one forward for one top pick I think we are doing OK.

 

[Juddernaut08]

This is such a compromised draft it is not funny. All these players with a year of development lost and of course limited info on who to draft plus obviously the academy players. Pick 8 will be a lottery where Saad is a guaranteed top 10 player for us. Overall hopefully in the past two years we would have gained 3 top 10 players one back, one middle and one forward for one top pick I think we are doing OK.

That's not correct way of looking at things, because the other acquisitions arent linked to Saad.

The choices if we think pick 8 is ok are:

Martin, Williams, Pick 8

vs

Martin, Williams, Saad

 

[KohPhi]

People saying saad is average have no idea
He is elite or above average in nearly every key area including 80.9% disposal efficiency 76.1%
By foot he is definitely worth pick 8 in a compromised draft. I recon any pick or upgrades in a favour is a bonus

Pick 8 straight up is overs, but agree with most of what you say.
Something needs to come back. Even of it's a 3rd round pick, im sure Austin will have plans to package it up and either move up the draft order, or get a solid citizen type of player.

 

[bmaurizio]

Agree Saad will be a positive asset, he‘ll enable us to deploy Williams in the midfield and this is the real master stroke, CFC would be addressing to 2 deficiencies both crucial.
For face sake we need at least a future 3rd return to secure Fogharty Cats . I’d be happy with that outcome.
I’d dangle our 2021 first & sweeter for midfield expertise.

 

[MileHigh]

I am Saad this deal hasn't been done yet.

Reading the temperature of the room, there was never going to be a good time to wheel out the joke.