Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Just Kreuzing]

I'm sooo lost.

Get a game in our midfield....

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

to ’s ℹ?

RB is the first part
no strong arm to sign

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Suddenly our list drops from the oldest to the youngest.

Dramatic sudden improvement in 2nd efforts, pressure acts, tackles etc also....

 

[I bleed Blue]

I can't deal with these inane, deliberately disarming emoji-laden bluemours/comments.

Not finding them amusing or interesting at all tbh. Sorry team, just my opinion.

Loved Barass style.

Wonder in. Drop a huge bomb.

Walk away without out even looking back at the explosion.

A week or 2 (sometimes even months later), rumour come to fruition

 

[BringFevBack2021]

to ’s ℹ?

No guns to sign once something something

 

[I bleed Blue]

Loved Barass style.

Wonder in. Drop a huge bomb.

Walk away without out even looking back at the explosion.

A week or 2 (sometimes even months later), rumour come to fruition

Footage from Barass dropping said bombs

 

[ferrisb]

Should of live traded those soft toys for Cerra on draft night....
Dropped the ball

Even easier..... we could have taken Cerra instead of Dow, if we'd wanted to...

 

[Blue__Balls]

True story?

can somebody run the numbers?

We're not the oldest, to start with, 8th youngest.

Rough calculations has us going from 23.9yrs on average to 23.26. Lowest in the comp right now is Adelaide at 23.58.

But if we assume those three players are replaced with draftees who turn 19 next season, and factor in everyone else on the list being a year older next year, we end up at pretty much the same average age in 12 months time.

 

[ferrisb]

TerryWallet hasn't been seen since Casboult's retirement news broke.

Mods, can you please check all nearby bottle shops, fireworks vendors and emergency departments?

 

[17SetMeFree]

Loved Barass style.

Wonder in. Drop a huge bomb.

Walk away without out even looking back at the explosion.

A week or 2 (sometimes even months later), rumour come to fruition

probably a boot stud cleaner with good ears

 

[WeninRome]

True story?

can somebody run the numbers?

just a hunch - we’ve lost Simpson, Murhpy, Betts and now Levi. All over 30.

 

[WeninRome]

No guns to sign once something something

no guns to sign is my information

 

[zeggie]

I'm tipping it was a troll account - walking into a new forum, posting inside information from the club, and trying to force other posters to bet their accounts on rumour outcomes...either an oppo fan or someone Arrow's pissed off in the past.

The later I would suggest, even had a crack at Soapy, so I would suggest it was a previous poster

While it always pays to have a reasonable level of scepticism with new posters claiming to have inside info, there's a tendency around here to just pile on and attack said poster's credibility until they start defending themselves aggressively, or are driven off.

Making bets to delete accounts probably wasn't the best move, but if their back story from another thread was true, it would make sense that they would back in their info and have a level of arrogance about it. Obviously not the right attitude to come in with straight off the bat, but I've seen plenty of posters come in and rub people up the wrong way at the beginning, then adjust as time goes on to be more level-headed in their approach.
Was pretty open with how he's connected and the relationships he supposedly has. Unless there was a post that I missed, which has since been deleted, perhaps a PM from a mod to ask him to pull back on the aggression might have got him back on track to being a solid contributor and potential ITK. We've allowed others to build reputations over time and to work out if their mail is accurate or not.

We talking about MJTHEGOAT?

Are they also the Michael Jezz account? I noted similar writing styles.

 

[Arr0w]

We talking about MJTHEGOAT?

Are they also the Michael Jezz account? I noted similar writing styles.

Don't think so

 

[Beyond Blue]

Even after all the failures of this current administration, how literally everything they've done is lead to this club being run into the ground, you still think the current strategy is the way to go?
These are the facts which have all contributed to the terrible culture created within our club:
-The board lacks transparency; their never open with their own members, the MLG has been Mr Invisiable for the past 7 years, he doesn't talk to the media, supporters or players

-The recruiting has been terrible; Steve Silvangi was the wrong appointment from the start, players such as McGovern, Martin and the GWS rejects were disasters that set us back years. I still have faith in a lot of our top end talent from the draft but the poor culture that has spread like a virus from the blokes at the top has effected them.

-Their anti democratic; Throughout his tenure MLG has spent years chipping away at the members rights, further restricting our voices and making it harder to elect outsiders on the board who want to challenge their failed administration

-Princes Park; There's an awful lot of Carlton supporters like my dad out there who are livid at the board for not fighting to get AFL matches back at our spiritual home. Playing at the ground again would help revive the old Carlton culture.

-The attitude; It stinks. Their just overall weak minded people who's attitude of rebuilding, buying time and selling false hope has crippled this club and disappointed its members. One of the reasons Carlton used to be successful was because the standards were high. From the moment new players walked into the club, they knew what it meant to wear the jumper. We were the best in the business because Elliott used to demand the players give "100% plus that little bit more" every week. The good clubs still think like that, yet when I watch the players play, some weeks like North, Gold Coast and Port they genuinely look like they don't give a sh*t. The coach doesn't give a sh*t, Cripps doesn't give a sh*t and frankly this starts from the board not giving a sh*t.

-The coaches; just a disaster. Why would you hire 2 inexperienced coaches like Bolton and Teague who had not coached at AFL level prior to coming to Carlton. Those 2 men have a lot in common and watching their press conferences all you get is excuses and a lack of caring after terrible performances. When the coach acts all calm after a loss, it rubs off on the players. We need to get the best coach at our club, either a Clarkson or Lyon.

I mean mate you literally cannot blame Jack Elliott for the failures of the past 7 years and theres no way you can say you think they've done a better job at running this club than old Jack did.

Sure it’s easy to pick holes in the current board there are counter arguments to your points and most of mistakes you accuse the current board of your old mate John Elliott made on an industrial scale:
- Board transparency: MLG didn’t talk to the media much agreed, but John Elliott talked too much and still wasn’t transparent about our salary cap (that is he outright lied) which set us back at least 10 years in the early 2000s. The same can be said about media darlings like Maguire and Kennett who weren’t overly transparent about a lot of things (Collingwood racism cover up, Clarkson-Mitchell coaching handover). The only difference is that they’ve been successful, so board transparency is not a KPI for success.
- Player recruitment: Unlike under John Elliott’s tenure the club has decided to not break the rules when recruiting players. Whilst Elliott’s salary cap breaches ruined us in the early 2000s, I’ll grant you that others (Ratten, Malthouse, Rogers and Hughes) were responsible for decimating our list between 2007-2014 culminating in the board making the brave decision to rebuild the list from scratch. It was difficult and imperfect but generally SOS built a pretty good list that should see us competitive for the next 10 years. I’ve been more critical of Austen who made some baffling decisions that in my view has left our list a lot more unbalanced than it was 18 months ago.
- Board appointments: Notwithstanding the fact that the likes of Pratt and Matheson saved the club from the financial ruin largely caused by John Elliott, I’d be happy to see them both leave when their next term expires. I also don’t think there’s too much in those recent proposed amendments to suggest they are making board selection undemocratic and I welcome the maximum 5 year term for the president to avoid ridiculously long presidential tenures like Elliott’s that ended in absolute disaster.
- Princes Park: Every Melbourne club has had to deal with this issue, however the fact that Elliott tried to buck the trend and persist with the pipeline dream that Princess Park could remain an AFL venue, probably did set us back operationally and definitely did financially...something the current board have had to deal with.
- Player attitude: I don’t really know enough about the players to comment on their attitudes so hopefully we may gain some insight on this point via the external review. I doubt “they don’t give a shit” but by this time next week a lot of them will likely have the blood of two former coaches on their hands so I’m hopeful that these recent events will serve as a jolt for any of them who “don’t give a shit”. Also Sayers calling an external review, whilst long overdue, gives me optimism that as president he’s going to drive more accountability for high performance.
- Coaching Appointments: Notwithstanding every successful coach was inexperienced at some stage, I do agree the board got carried away with Teague’s success as caretaker coach, made a rushed appointment and should be criticised. However from what I heard of Bolton’s appointment they at least ran a thorough process albeit it proved to be the wrong appointment with a number of other factors contributing to his demise. It goes without saying that if we sack Teague then the next coaching appointment must be a success.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I am more than happy to take pick 5 to the draft instead of trading for Cerra.

Quite frankly, I do not believe he has justified his 750 K P/A asking price yet.

We need to lighten the load in our S/C over the next few years.

 

[Broadside]

Princes Park: Every Melbourne club has had to deal with this issue, however the fact that Elliott tried to buck the trend and persist with the pipeline dream that Princess Park could remain an AFL venue

We DID have a thirty year contract with afl to play games at princes park. It wasn’t a pipe dream but a binding contract.
Agree with most of your other points though.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I am more than happy to take pick 5 to the draft instead of trading for Cerra.

Quite frankly, I do not believe he has justified his 750 K P/A asking price yet.

We need to lighten the load in our S/C over the next few years.

And develop a player ourselves? Lol

 

[Broadside]

And develop a player ourselves? Lol

I call Sam Walsh the POLAROID.

He develops himself.

I’ll see myself out.

 

[zeggie]

no guns to sign is my information

No guns to sign after Jack.

 

[Dysfunctional]

I am more than happy to take pick 5 to the draft instead of trading for Cerra.

Quite frankly, I do not believe he has justified his 750 K P/A asking price yet.

We need to lighten the load in our S/C over the next few years.

Couldn't agree more, there will be some good kids around our pick. Ward, Rachelle, Erasmus, Sonsie, Gibcus, Hobbs.

 

[Premiership Quarter]

The three veterans retiring allows to go fairly hard at Cerra and Billing’s now. Beef that midfield right up with class and ball use. Anyone know if Lyon and Cerra got along?

We're not the oldest, to start with, 8th youngest.

Rough calculations has us going from 23.9yrs on average to 23.26. Lowest in the comp right now is Adelaide at 23.58.

But if we assume those three players are replaced with draftees who turn 19 next season, and factor in everyone else on the list being a year older next year, we end up at pretty much the same average age in 12 months time.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

And develop a player ourselves? Lol

Why not ? It's taken a while, but Dow look like he has finally made it.

Honestly getting a bit frustrated we seem to go out and trade for and or sign a big name player, I honestly prefer us developing our own kids.

It's all about picking the right kids for our club and list.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Why not ? It's taken a while, but Dow look like he has finally made it.

Honestly getting a bit frustrated we seem to go out and trade for and or sign a big name player, I honestly prefer us developing our own kids.

It's all about picking the right kids for our club and list.

Neither seems to be working...

 

[Gavstar]

The three veterans retiring allows to go fairly hard at Cerra and Billing’s now. Beef that midfield right up with class and ball use. Anyone know if Lyon and Cerra got along?

No doubt in my mind see this Western Australian Article

" He (Cerra) was an absolute pro. Him and Andy Brayshaw - if you’re talking about applying yourself, you couldn’t have asked (for more)"

“This is no slight on those blokes (Petrevski-Seton and Fisher), but I know him (Cerra) intimately,” he said.

“I would take him every day of the week because he’s a bona fide mid, and the other two aren’t.”