Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Ligma]

My dad watched Paul Murray live on sky, is that good or bad?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

From the horse's mouth:





Right, we have international laws and the law of war which regulates the conditions for war from banning certain practices to the process of declaration of wars, surrendering and minimising the loss of civilian life, treatment of prisoners, etc. So we have all these rules and conventions which we signed off on and members of the United Nations are expected to uphold.

We, nor the United States, declared war against Afghanistan. We had no authority to enter their territory, we had no mandate to change their government or try to install a puppet government. Anyone a party to this cause of action is a war criminal regardless if they have been prosecuted or not.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

9.30pm update: * Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt * Second week of airstrikes starts * Taliban urges US to halt bombing

www.theguardian.com

Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden if they would stop bombing Afghanistan. Bush rejected it. Bombing a country without declaring war is also a war crime.

The Americans during the soviet war called the Taliban and Al Qaeda freedom fighters while they were killing Russians.



We declared war against Germany and it's allies before we got involved in that conflict. The Korean and Vietnam wars were colonial wars, against Communism. As much as you do not like it, it is up to the people of Vietnam, Korea and elsewhere to decide for themselves how their country functions and is governed. America spent $300m a day for two decades propping up a puppet government and army. It didn't last 24hrs, America didn't even get the chance to leave fully before the puppet government collapsed.

It was wrong to be there, it was wrong to legitimise the war. Bush often referred to all the allies that joined him on this "war on terror" to legitimise it, saying this was a global community decision. Everyone was coerced into it and we should have had the nuts to say no.

The only conflict we thrust ourselves into that had any legitimacy was the East Timor conflict which was the right thing to do, getting caught spying on them and trying to screw them on oil and gas exploration soured things somewhat since then.

We are one of the biggest minnows going around, we have a small population and we don't make anything of note, we just export primary produce and natural resources and we try and act like a super power. On the grand scale our contribution is meaningless, but for the world, when a country like ours took a hit economically to oppose Indonesia and support the independence of East Timor, a country like that gave the USA some semblance of legitimacy.

Australia acting like a puppet state of the USA has brought terrorism to our shores, we are now part of collective that interferes with the middle-east and their ability to self-govern. We aren't on the right side of history as it will be remembered in the future.

How many bombs have we dropped on Syria? Have we declared war? No. Seriously, wtf are we doing and what do we stand for?

We are on different wavelengths here, but I think we largely do agree on the major point.

Clinton was talking about funding, equipping and recruiting for the mujahideen, with some of those recruits years after the war joining the Taliban, which originated as a Pushtun group. They didn’t emerge until 1994, 5 years after the withdrawal and the Soviet defeat.

The US didn’t create it, but they didn’t help with the mujahideen, leaving Pakistan holding the bag and the large amount of arms in the country. I already addressed those and the AQ comments.

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So there is a very strong argument which is... it wasn't a bad investment in terms of Soviet Union but let's be careful with what we sow... because we will harvest.

“So we then left Pakistan ... We said okay fine you deal with the Stingers that we left all over your country... you deal with the mines that are along the border and... by the way we don't want to have anything to do with you... in fact we're sanctioning you... So we stopped dealing with the Pakistani military and with ISI and we now are making up for a lot of lost time.”


They didn’t declare war on Afghanistan per say, but they declared hostilities against the Taliban as the ruling party of the Afghanistan state, which harboured terrorists. The UN legal article on this is debatable and I appreciate your points on it. I think the US had a decent case for Afghanistan. The Taliban played funny buggers by not handing over other involved associates and continually dragging their feet on handing over Bin Laden. Their human rights abuses alone could have acted as a pretext in hindsight.


As much as I don’t like it? We are supposed to be talking about weak pretexts for joining wars, not whether I liked them. I spent an entire thesis chapter on why our decision to go Vietnam was based on a worse pretext than Afghanistan.

I was agreeing with you by citing how multiple Australian leaders have used weak pretexts to go to war and support the interests of our protector. My query was that does that make them criminals too.

 

[Lomas]

My dad watched Paul Murray live on sky, is that good or bad?

It's not totes inapropes.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

First flight done:

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[Tas]

We are on different wavelengths here, but I think we largely do agree on the major point.

Clinton was talking about funding, equipping and recruiting for the mujahideen, with some of those recruits years after the war joining the Taliban, which originated as a Pushtun group. They didn’t emerge until 1994, 5 years after the withdrawal and the Soviet defeat.

The US didn’t create it, but they didn’t help by creating the mujahideen, leaving Pakistan holding the bag and the large amount of arms in the country. I already addressed those and the AQ comments.

Quote:
So there is a very strong argument which is... it wasn't a bad investment in terms of Soviet Union but let's be careful with what we sow... because we will harvest.

“So we then left Pakistan ... We said okay fine you deal with the Stingers that we left all over your country... you deal with the mines that are along the border and... by the way we don't want to have anything to do with you... in fact we're sanctioning you... So we stopped dealing with the Pakistani military and with ISI and we now are making up for a lot of lost time.”


They didn’t declare war on Afghanistan per say, but they declared hostilities against the Taliban as the ruling party of the Afghanistan state, which harboured terrorists. The UN legal article on this is debatable and I appreciate your points on it. I think the US had a decent case for Afghanistan. The Taliban played funny buggers by not handing over other involved associates and continually dragging their feet on handing over Bin Laden. Their human rights abuses alone could have acted as a pretext in hindsight.


As much as I don’t like it? We are supposed to be talking about weak pretexts for joining wars, not whether I liked them. I spent an entire thesis chapter on why our decision to go Vietnam was based on a worse pretext than Afghanistan.

I was agreeing with you by citing how multiple Australian leaders have used weak pretexts to go to war and support the interests of our protector. My query was that does that make them criminals too.

Pretext or not, we are required to declare war before invading. They assassinated leaders of their government, indiscriminately killed civilians on the back of weak intelligence. If anyone tried even a fraction of the shit they roll out year after year they would be invaded and disarmed.

The golden rule seems to be you can do whatever the **** you like as long as you have nukes and we wonder why everyone not in the alliance of the willing/gullible is going out of their way to either get nuclear weapons or improve their nuclear arsenal.

We need to step back from our close association with the USA only because they are warmongers. Unfortunately, they are dishonest and deceitful, they made bogus claims about WMDs in Iraq, it is suspected the video evidence of Bin Laden was doctored by the CIA which is why they assassinated him when they could have captured him. They manufactured fake claims against Assange for the crime of exposing their war crimes and have imprisoned him awaiting a kangaroo court for the heinous crime of journalism and our leaders can sit there with their thumb up their arse while an Australian citizen has had all his rights stripped away.

We have become a pathetic country that stands for nothing. I know tons of Americans and they are all great people. Most Australians are awesome too but the 0.00001% that get into politics and intelligence can go **** themselves. Collectively they disgust me.

This greed and lust for power has always shown the worst there is from people, organisations and governments and it will always be this way until the people say we have had enough of this bullshit.

 

[Ligma]

It's not totes inapropes.

Lomas good or bad

 

[Lomas]

Lomas good or bad

Lomas is good

 

[Ligma]

Lomas is good

No ur not

 

[Lomas]

No ur not

You are correct. I referred to myself in the third person. Unforgivable really.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Pretext or not, we are required to declare war before invading. They assassinated leaders of their government, indiscriminately killed civilians on the back of weak intelligence. If anyone tried even a fraction of the sh*t they roll out year after year they would be invaded and disarmed.

The golden rule seems to be you can do whatever the fu** you like as long as you have nukes and we wonder why everyone not in the alliance of the willing/gullible is going out of their way to either get nuclear weapons or improve their nuclear arsenal.

We need to step back from our close association with the USA only because they are warmongers. Unfortunately, they are dishonest and deceitful, they made bogus claims about WMDs in Iraq, it is suspected the video evidence of Bin Laden was doctored CIA, they manufactured fake claims against Assange for the crime of exposing their war crimes and have imprisoned him awaiting a kangaroo court for the heinous crime of journalism and our leaders can sit there with their thumb up their arse while an Australian citizen has had all his rights stripped away.

We have become a pathetic country that stands for nothing. I know tons of Americans and they are all great people. Most Australians are awesome too but the 0.00001% that get into politics and intelligence can go fu** themselves. Collectively they disgust me.

This greed and lust for power has always shown the worst there is from people, organisations and governments and it will always be this way until the people say we have had enough of this bullshit.

DR’s Kissinger quote about having only permanent interests, not permanent friends, is very on point.

 

[Ligma]

You are correct. I referred to myself in the third person. Unforgivable really.

Mods ban him plz, I love him, but ban him for life

 

[Lomas]

Mods ban him plz, I love him, but ban him for life

seems fair.

 

[Ligma]

seems fair.

I wish I could be like you

 

[Lomas]

I wish I could be like you

Give it twenty years.

 

[Ligma]

guys people Rush to ATMs

 

[Lomas]

guys people Rush to ATMs
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The guy on the right looks like he is taking a pee. No wonder no-one is lining up behind him

 

[Ligma]

The guy on the right looks like he is taking a pee. No wonder no-one is lining up behind him

Sir you said that yesterday stop trolling

 

[Lomas]

Sir you said that yesterday stop trolling

You posted it yesterday, stop being repetitive.

 

[Ligma]

You posted it yesterday, stop being repetitive.

No it’s a different one. The one yesterday had more text and it was blue text

 

[Lomas]

No it’s a different one. The one yesterday had more text and it was blue text

I'm just taking this piss (well, not me. The guy on the right)

 

[Ligma]

I'm just taking this piss (well, not me. The guy on the right)

TROLL

 

[Lomas]

TROLL

Shut up Snake.

 

[Ligma]

Shut up Snake.

I love u so much I won’t be screen shotting and posting it to my Twitter just for it to get 0 likes

 

[tazaa]

Showing your age a bit there mate.

My first console was the Sega. I though the N64 was an absolute game-changer with Goldeneye and Mario Kart.

It was. Still is.

 

[Hojuman]

Bit sad, funny fella. Poms pretty good at comedy.

'You can't write tears': 8 Out of 10 Cats comedian Sean Lock dies aged 58

Sean Lock was known for his dry wit and deadpan comedy as well as captaining a team on British comedy TV show 8 Out of 10 Cats.

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