Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[choo]

SPS has not been given the right advice or is simply not taking it!

SPS is not fit enough, is far too light to play midfield and does not do the gut running nor have the desperation/applying pressure/sticking tackles when the ball is not in hand.

Carlton is like u11's when every kid has a b*tch about not playing their preferred position...

My post was about Eddie and his allegiance to Teague.
We all have our opinions on SPS.
I will say, pre draft I thought his highlights were the best I’d seen. His game v bulldogs appeared to be a watershed moment and then nothing. Did they train him to be a defender with burst fitness rather than gut running? Only the club knows. It’s a tragic waste right now


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[Bokan]

Please tell me that's a typo, as if I can learn how to yell that at a tv!

Struhnaditsuh would be the pronunciation I believe (soft a in the middle)

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[TwiggleyFanClub]

So what, we're going to screen coaching candidates based on whether they like the have a bet on the races now, are we?

A player gets busted for $10, the talk is about how they're an idiot.
A coach gets busted for $10, the talk is about match fixing.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'd rather he just keep his mouth shut about it all. There's literally no need to tell the world he turned them down, let alone to throw them under the bus at the same time.

He's preemptively making it known that whichever club he ends up at, it will be because he has genuine faith in their ability to succeed.

He'll walk into Carlton or wherever and let everyone know "Hey, Collingwood tried to get me but I wasn't remotely interested in going to a disorganised club - I'm here because I believe in all of you."

 

[Blue__Balls]

A player gets busted for $10, the talk is about how they're an idiot.
A coach gets busted for $10, the talk is about match fixing.

And if he's not betting on footy?

 

[Arr0w]

In all my years of watching sport, playing sport and coaching sport the only people who think premiership winning coaches 'just got lucky' are naive at best.


Bad coaches don't win premierships. It's that simple, good coaches can go 'out of date' sure.

A good coach can win a premiership with a mediocre list much easier than a mediocre coach can win with a good list.

A bad coach, which is what you imply when you say 'he was just lucky' cannot win a premiership. Clarkson built a team, an ethos a way of playing that it almost didn't matter who was out injured. They'd get the job done. Now he's rebuilding. If he stayed I'm sure he'd just do it again there in time.

At worst he's as good as longmuir or Hardwick overall. At worst. He's an all time great and 'just got lucky' sounds like major sour grapes.

Somewhat agree, but I wouldn't call any coach lucky to have success

Was part of a group that went back to back undefeated, playing list didn't change over those 2 years

First coach I would rate as average in gameplan, tactics and adaptability

Second coach I would rate very good in those areas

I guess the best comparisons would be Jeans and Joyce

 

[therubbernub]

You're kidding aren't you?

We talking about the same Neil Balme here?

Ask the real old timers what they thought of Balme as a player. Ask them about the way he carried himself.

Ask them how he portrayed and carried himself as a coach.

The Neil Balme that we know and revere today was not the same Balme that he once was.

Clarkson was a real thug on field as well. I think the argument can be a bit more nuanced. Bruce Doull shows us not to conflate onfield personality with off field.
Completely different stressors

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[zeggie]

I'd rather he just keep his mouth shut about it all. There's literally no need to tell the world he turned them down, let alone to throw them under the bus at the same time.

He's employed in the media, it's part of his job lol. He isn't a coach again yet.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

He's preemptively making it known that whichever club he ends up at, it will be because he has genuine faith in their ability to succeed.

He'll walk into Carlton or wherever and let everyone know "Hey, Collingwood tried to get me but I wasn't remotely interested in going to a disorganised club - I'm here because I believe in all of you."

That's right. He also said that that Collingwood think they are more advanced than they are where as North were realistic about where they were.... RE a reset of sorts

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[LFTWNG11]

Im really hoping that Sayers has said to Clarkson the job is yours and you can do whatever you want to rebuild the club. Fire and hire whoever you want
We have 100% trust in you

Really? Giving all the power to one man without any accountability? Probably the last thing Carlton (or any organisation for that matter) needs.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Somewhat agree, but I wouldn't call any coach lucky to have success

Was part of a group that went back to back undefeated, playing list didn't change over those 2 years

First coach I would rate as average in gameplan, tactics and adaptability

Second coach I would rate very good in those areas

I guess the best comparisons would be Jeans and Joyce

Joyce might be the only AFL premiership coach that you could (at least partially) call lucky.

 

[Dysfunctional]

I'd rather he just keep his mouth shut about it all. There's literally no need to tell the world he turned them down, let alone to throw them under the bus at the same time.

McGuire asked him the question, he answered it. What was he meant to do?

 

[Coops93]

We will have a problem if Ross Lyon comes in and on day 1 calls the Left Back Pocket a fat campaigner.

Can call a bloke whatever he likes if he wins a chip in year 2 as he often does.

Well, did. I think his strategy has been worked out a little bit and without the success to water down his massive f***off ego things fall apart much quicker

 

[Vo Rogue]

Massive NO to Robert Harvey. Friends seen him gambling at the TAB way too many times.

What's your point?

 

[Love the Drake]

Massive NO to Robert Harvey. Friends seen him gambling at the TAB way too many times.

There was a rumour going around 15-20 years ago that Rob Harvey spent a lot of time at his local TAB.

The key point is whether this information is current or just feeding off a very old rumour. I’m calling bullshit and saying it is the latter. With all the online betting agencies, why would someone as high profile as rob harvey, and an assistant coach of a huge club like Collingwood, bet at a TAB when he can do it in the privacy of his own home? Why would he jeopardise a high paying job?

I’d think if it’s current there’d be photos from iPhones and stories circulating. There have been none.

You’d also think Collingwood/The AFL would have investigated and addressed it in the ten years he’s been at the club?

For clarity, when did your friend see Harvey betting at the TAB?

 

[passmark]

Have to ask why he was a dud with us.

Cos our culture is shit and it won't change until the board are in the bin.

 

[CJMB]

How quick people forget.

Amid a dismal record and a fan revolt, the Dockers have been forced to take drastic action

Ross Lyon was a brilliant coach, the best in Fremantle's history. But after four dismal seasons and with membership numbers sliding, the Dockers board finally had enough, writes Clint Thomas.

www.abc.net.au

Ross' last year at Freo, the year he got sacked, will probably end up better than our '21 season.

RL19: 9 wins (38% win), 92%, average score of 72 - 78. From 22 games.
DT21: 8 wins (41% win), 89%, average score of 80 - 90. From 21 games.

The average score of our last 3 games against GWS has been a 96 to 50 loss. Factor that in and it becomes:

RL19: 9 wins (36% win), 92%, average score of 72 - 78.
DT21: 8 wins (41% win), 87%, average score of 78 -90.

So 1 less win overall for DT with a margin of 2 goals instead of 1 for Ross.

 

[Juddrockz]

I'd rather he just keep his mouth shut about it all. There's literally no need to tell the world he turned them down, let alone to throw them under the bus at the same time.

Exactly. Especially when he has put his hat in the coaching ring again.
"Ya gotta know when to hold em an when to fold em".

 

[morningbrown]

Those throwing up Matthews, Sheedy etc as better than Clarko. It is soooooo much harder to win a flag in the past decade than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. More teams, better recruitment, salary cap restrictions, more focus on actual tactics. Clarko did it four times in 6 years. There has not been a better strategist in the history of the sport. Don't let the bloke punching someone in 1987 cloud your judgment here.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Good to see the number of '*** NO DISCUSSION ***' rumours increasing.

Can I give a call out to all people in affected areas, even with only the most minor of information, to please come forward and give us your rumours.

I can't stress this enough!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I feel a user name change coming

Nah man, I’ve had this username since like 2005 or whenever I joined figbooty. Was almost prophetic when he came back….

Same username across the plethora of Carlton forums…if I change here I’ll have to change them all and really I just can’t be bothered


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[Beer n Skittles]

Im really hoping that Sayers has said to Clarkson the job is yours and you can do whatever you want to rebuild the club. Fire and hire whoever you want
We have 100% trust in you

Just because someone is good at one function in a collaborative effort, doesn't mean they should run the whole thing. George Lucas comes to mind

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Appears a slow burn project, great tap ruckman, but 2 years in the VAFA, half a season of VFL over a young 24 year old ruck man who has been on an AFL list, knows what is required and starting to mature?

So he’s a certainty then to be picked up this draft period…..I’ll look out for which club does


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[reubsblues]

Just because someone is good at one function in a collaborative effort, doesn't mean they should run the whole thing. George Lucas comes to mind

I didn't mean it literally
I meant as the footy department

 

[Ash24]

It's Teague's 100th game against GWS this weekend - 50 as a player, 50 as coach.