Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Max Pepsi]

Are there figures published for revenue per membership and for other clubs for comparison purposes?

I have no dog in this race but getting a bit tired of the Liddle hate that some on here carry. We have far more problems than Liddle.

I'm not sure if Carlton publishes an annual report with that info.

I'm not pushing an anti-Liddle barrow. I just think the membership numbers need more assessment than being taken at face value.

 

[Bluebag13]

And in 2021 we've had one outstanding midfielder, Kennedy I'll actually give some props to but the rest have been average and inconsistent and that includes Cripps.

It's why our midfield sucks.

walsh average and inconsistent?

 

[Arr0w]

He has contributed more than many others in most of his games - thats the point.

HavUEvaSeenTheRain is claiming Dow was dropped because he was one of our worst perfomers last week and it is therefore justified - he had 6th most disposals in the entire team. Its a completely and utterly ridiculous series of posts coming from this poster devoid of truth or reality.

Could you also add only player not to have a score involvement, 1 clearance, (2 in the last 2 weeks), 6th worst DE

Truth and reality yeah

Your posting is fraudulent

 

[zeggie]

"Round 6" was a typo, was supposed to be 7, then I dont think he missed a game after that. If you don't give 3 year contracts for the reason you just mentioned, then why would another club do the same. If he was leaving, he would be leaving for a longer-term contract as security. Mcgoverns was front loaded so very different to dow who hasn't been given a big money deal as of yet

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Dow played Round 7, then missed Rounds 8,9,10 and 11.

Other clubs may be willing to take a gamble on a "glimpse" but they'll need to offer a longer contract. He won't leave for a 1 year deal. We have him signed for 2022 so we have no such need.

 

[FRUMPY]

Id be surprised if Dow went anywhere. New coach will get in his ear if there is any discontent.

 

[zeggie]

Id be surprised if Dow went anywhere. New coach will get in his ear if there is any discontent.

TLA Management may be in his ear.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Are there figures published for revenue per membership and for other clubs for comparison purposes?

I have no dog in this race but getting a bit tired of the Liddle hate that some on here carry. We have far more problems than Liddle.

I think the AFL publish it at the end of the year for all the clubs, Number of members etc, basically a breakdown of what each membership is worth

 

[slashin_velvet]

On your first paragraph - absolutely correct - however , who says and why they say what is an appropriate investment to be made or not and when - is indeed the more important issue.

On your second paragraph - absolutely correct - however, positive cashflow (in any period) is a function of both expenditure choices ( reduction) and investment choices ( absence)


On your third paragraph ...

Correct - Carlton IS a not for profit - its' only responsibility ( a responsibility underwritten by the AFL as far as debt goes anyway) is to be able to afford the 'cost' of any 'investment' it chooses to make and the 'cost' is the cost of capital at any point in time - the interest rate is the obvious - satisfying any caveats that 'benefactor' who donate money to the Club may have as another 'cost' of capital - making a compromise between competing objectives - football department expenditure V facilities V marketing V etc etc etc etc is another form of 'cost'...

my original point was that Liddle (and MLG's 'bragging' about eliminating debt ( in this accounting period ) says nothing, has zero content, is meaningless as far as 'achievement' goes - for two reasons - firstly the actual cost of carrying the debt is so low as to be irrelevant and secondly - eliminating debt ( and NOT having any other uses for the deployment of this debt-funded capital) may or may not signal poor management anyway - which just underlines the self-serving nuffery of the announcement anyway - because there is no context - except 'selling' a supposed positive to 'members as some form of achievement.

Regarding membership pricing : I hope the Club finds the 'sweet spot' regarding clearing for maximising demand for its membership versus supply - this is the revenue optimizing market-clearing calc that should be focused on as far as maximising income to the Club and maximising utility to members at the same time.

I don't really disagree with any of that, with the the caveat that its not as simple as what you've posted as there are other factors at play e.g Salary cap for Players, Soft cap for footy department etc etc.

I do think we were quite heavily leveraged in the past, and had questionable cash flows. While the cost of funds is cheap today, paying down the legacy debt probably frees us up to take out more targeted debt securitized by the future investments. I think you'll note in a lot of MLG's comments, the parading was the repayment of legacy debts - also no guarantee that they were at todays marginal rates (do you have the detail - I'm assuming this is largely to do with the AFL backed commercial bill facility which was worth up to $5m if fully drawn).

 

[Poorman53]

Interesting Clarkson is suggesting travelling next year, wouldn't be ideal to leave a year 12 student for to long . Time will tell.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Feel like Cuningham is the new Polson. So much promise and shows it once every 6 or 7 games and everyone locks him in the team for the season.

Yep this is true. We clutch at straws so much based on hope rather than fact. Add to this Dow, LOB and even Marchbank.

 

[JustaBattler]

Most players could have been dropped after last week's efforts - or maybe the coach can accept responsibility and just go and take his increasingly obvious dysfunctional game plan with him.

We wont know what the real performance capability is of any player until they are part of a team game which at the very least satisfies both defensive and attacking feasability/viability.

In any design process there are three issues to deal with

1. Desireability - why is the game plan a good thing?
2. Feasbility - can it be implemented with resources at hand; and
3. Viability - will it stand up to the test of competition?

I think Teague had a desirable attacking game plan - attractive to watch as far as ability to score goes but failed in both feasibility and viability measures - because the attacking imperative made defensive imperative difficult to execute.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

He hasn't missed a game but there are certainly games he's rocked up and gone missing.

Sometimes this happens when your 21 and your playing against men that have been in the system for a decade. ffs.

 

[woof39]

Here is a question or two about Lyon v Clarko..

Do you think Lyon would have a stronger desire to win a premiership after coming so close twice with 2 different clubs, and not having a cup to his name? Whereas Clarko's point to prove is to win a premiership at 2 different clubs. Would that even motivate Clarko at all?

Based on Lyon's strong record at 2 clubs, is he less of a high risk high reward option compared to Clarko who has only proven his success at one club with the same list?

 

[slashin_velvet]

I'm not sure if Carlton publishes an annual report with that info.

I'm not pushing an anti-Liddle barrow. I just think the membership numbers need more assessment than being taken at face value.

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$10.7m of Membership revenue in FY20

 

[DollarsandSense]

I heard Dow requested to be traded last year.

But when he was delivering his request, he missed the List Management office and it was received by another team...

A reliable source also said that he was up and about everywhere early, though as discussions progressed he's enthusiasm faded.

 

[mickelboy182]

He showed a lot of “promise” didn’t he!

That's the funniest part, he never showed any promise at all! Yet people saw him chase hard and thought we had something

 

[zeggie]

Here is a question or two about Lyon v Clarko..

Do you think Lyon would have a stronger desire to win a premiership after coming so close twice with 2 different clubs, and not having a cup to his name? Whereas Clarko's point to prove is to win a premiership at 2 different clubs. Would that even motivate Clarko at all?

Based on Lyon's strong record at 2 clubs, is he less of a high risk high reward option compared to Clarko who has only proven his success at one club with the same list?

IF Clarko takes the gig, I would have zero doubts about lack of motivation. He won't take the job otherwise. He has a nice well paid holiday next year and media gig offers, so he won't come just for financial reasons.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Are there still Cam Polson defenders around here?

Not too sure any player actually had to defend Cam.

I know that SOS had to defend hard to keep his daughter from cam's clutches

 

[charred_fate]

Comparing Polson to Cunners is way off the mark. Cunners has genuine talent - cleanest hands in the team, most damaging kick, strength and break-away speed .. Polson offered nothing. If Cunners' body holds up, he's best 22 for sure. How any coach could look at his traits and not have him at the majority of centre bounces is beyond me, and reason enough in itself for Teague to be shown the door, imo. He, literally, should be the player that we're feeding too as often as we can - our Dusty, in that sense.

 

[zeggie]

Not too sure any player actually had to defend Cam.

I know that SOS had to defend hard to keep his daughter from cam's clutches

SOS has a daughter?

 

[Matty411]

Come for the Bluemour discussion. Stay for the Finance 101 lessons.

 

[Blue__Balls]

SOS has a daughter?

Yeah, heard she's the most talented of the lot, but genuinely torn between footy and table tennis.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Yep this is true. We clutch at straws so much based on hope rather than fact. Add to this Dow, LOB and even Marchbank.

I just don't reckon Dow is very good. I'd much rather a new coach come in and try to reshape SPS who clearly has loads of skill than persist with Dow who isn't super skilful and makes a lot of awful decisions on field. Just my own observations...could be way off the mark.

 

[Earls Smother]

Are there figures published for revenue per membership and for other clubs for comparison purposes?

I have no dog in this race but getting a bit tired of the Liddle hate that some on here carry. We have far more problems than Liddle.

FWIW Caro said the other night on FC that we were likely around 4 million dollars down on what the membership numbers indicate. That is the equivalent of 20,000 home game members paying the 200-odd dollars.

She was having a go at MLG at the time (re his email) and said she likes Cain, but mumbled something about only being marketing. She would have a fair idea you'd imagine.

 

[Metalcrusher]

SOS has a daughter?