Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Zlatan]

prefer to keep pick 5.

Thoughts on a sps +fisher for cerra trade? - would probably want something else coming our way so perhaps

sps+fisher+61+ future 3rd -> cerra +28

SPS + Fisher right now would net you a 3rd.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

prefer to keep pick 5.

Thoughts on a sps +fisher for cerra trade? - would probably want something else coming our way so perhaps

sps+fisher+61+ future 3rd -> cerra +28

0 chance they agree to that

 

[bmaurizio]

I’d be very happy to trade 2022 1st , SPS & Fisher for Cerra if it secured the trade.We have plenty of similar players, small & fragile types and if they’re both unhappy then it’s just a logical conclusion.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

prefer to keep pick 5.

Thoughts on a sps +fisher for cerra trade? - would probably want something else coming our way so perhaps

sps+fisher+61+ future 3rd -> cerra +28

What are the odds on us drafting and developing a player as good as or can fill a need for us as Cerra with pick 5 straight away ?

That's what we have to consider
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[Jeremias]

I’d be very happy to trade 2022 1st , SPS & Fisher for Cerra if it secured the trade.We have plenty of similar players, small & fragile types and if they’re both unhappy then it’s just a logical conclusion.

That is a ridiculous price to pay for an out of contract 21 year old with 70 odd games under his belt.

 

[bmaurizio]

That is a ridiculous price to pay for an out of contract 21 year old with 70 odd games under his belt.

SPS will definitely go and don’t think Fisher is a happy camper either. Both similar physics, sml, light conditional types easily pushed off the ball.

 

[Carl Tone]

Smugness? Why? Because he articulates his point in a way that’s clearly above other journos?

I think if there’s one thing he isn’t, it’s smug. I think he calls most things fairly and without any bias. One of my faves.

Wrong.

 

[Jeremias]

Can’t see our to happily staying on SPS will definitely go and don’t think Fisher is a happy camper either. Both similar physics, sml, light conditional types easily pushed off the ball.

OK, but that has nothing to do with what I posted.

A top 5 pick and 2 players for a 21 year old is an absurd price to pay for Cerra.

He's a good young player with plenty of promise but he's not a superstar and may never be.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

That is a ridiculous price to pay for an out of contract 21 year old with 70 odd games under his belt.

Trading future first round draft picks is a big no no for me. Look how many clubs have been burnt by doing that, most recently Collingwood and their Firrst Round Swap with GWS last year.

Also Freo wouldn't do that either, think the deal if it happens will be something like Our first pick and SPS for Cerra and one of their 2nd round.picks coming back our way.
Would seem fairly fair/equitable for both teams imo.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

“I have enjoyed this caper for 17 years. As I said … unfortunately, what has been said in the last three or four weeks, hasn’t ended up materialising over the following couple of days,” Clarkson said on Saturday.

“It’s difficult to say … but my intention is to have a spell from the game to assess. My family and the extended network around me … have made an enormous sacrifice for me to do what I have done for the last 17 years. It’s not just 17 years, I have been chasing this AFL dream for 45 years … I have been coaching the last 25.” -

Clarko today after the game, still leaves the door ajar and doesn’t completely rule out coaching next year ...

Hardwick and Dunstall also said they expect him to be coach at another team sooner rather than later

 

[La Dispute]

We’d be silly to trade any contracted players in a trade for Cerra.

Fisher and Carroll need to be retained, even if they are wanting to to head back home. We are in desperate need of midfield class, and I think we would regret attaching either of those guys to the trade.

SPS is on the way out, let him be part of the deal, or we can do a swap of late picks. Freo are still getting a top end pick regardless of any extras we’d be including.

 

[CFC_#17]

Smugness? Why? Because he articulates his point in a way that’s clearly above other journos?

I think if there’s one thing he isn’t, it’s smug. I think he calls most things fairly and without any bias. One of my faves.

You are kidding he is so biased for all his mates, Dangerfield your soo good.

 

[CFC_#17]

Funny how people have changed their thoughts on the Saad deal after the fact

As for Cerra, we missed that boat, price would be considerably higher, but makes us better immediately, rather than waiting for a draftee to find consistency

It will come down to what we give up, but I can see us trading out a player for that deal to be done, or our first this year or next as a minimum

There was a lot of people filthy about the Saad deal last year.

 

[WeninRome]

Didn't Ross concede 23 consecutive with Freo?

you’re too hardcore for me

 

[Stamos]

Thats all relative to output though.

It might take that draft pick 4 years to get to Cerras level then we have to pay them that anyway.

We need the output now.

If we have the cap space to do it then what's the issue.

In 4 years Saad is out of contract and Williams only has 1 more year.

It's not just about what we can fit in our cap now, it's about tying our hands for the future. I just don't see Cerra as a good List Management move this year. We should address our most pressing needs (KPD, a Levi replacement), hit the draft and give our new coach and Football Department a year to get a proper assessment of the talent that we've already got.

 

[charred_fate]

I’m not sure about you but I have fatigue from drafting promising Vic Country/Vic Metro 17 year old midfielders who need 4-5years to develop AFL midfielder stamina and match conditioning. Don’t get me wrong I’m glad we put in the years from 2015-2019 but if there’s a ready made 22 year old proven talent and it costs us pick 6 (or Pick 5 if we get belted tonight) then I’m up for it.

I wouldn't say I have fatigue for that reason - I have frustration at the way we're going about trying to create a flag-winning team and list (eg, I really didn't want to trade 8 for Saad). I'm more interested in taking time and getting the list right and if that means a couple more years, so be it. I was willing to sacrifice this season and next season to blood more young players and ease some of our mature-aged B/C graders out. If we were to hit the draft this year and next year, I'm ok with that. I'm also ok with trading picks for the right players. My issue is that I think we need particular types of players, and I don't think Cerra fits that mould.

In the midfield, our biggest issues are lack of speed (we're slow) and kicking skills, followed by defensive effort/one percenters and ability to find the ball. We lack dynamic players with good kicking skills (a reason I'm such a big fan of Cunners - he will provide it if they play him there) and I think we should be hunting for it - you can't really have too many of them, tbh. Unless someone is exceptional in a certain performance area, I think we need to find that player who is dynamic and has kicking skills and take risks to get there, if need be. Cerra might have the kick and be an overall good player, but he's not very dynamic, not a great ball-winner, not quick, not huge on defence. I'm certain he'd be a good player for us, but reckon we run the risk of an unbalanced list.

At this stage, I'd be keener to hold onto the pick and give some of our younger guys - Dow, Fish, SPS etc - a year with a new group of coaches. In saying that, if we could package it with another pick (even next year's first) for a genuine gun in the mould I've said (eg, Hopper/look to see what we can shake from anywhere), then I'm willing to trade. It's not trading the pick that I have issue with as much as trading it for a player that isn't, in my view, a type that we need to be targeting.

We have too many players who offer one thing, but not the other; we need midfielders who offer the dynamic energy/kicking skill/ball-winner package - like a Taylor Adams (not an exceptional kick, but definitely good enough, esp when combined with his other attributes). Pick 6 is a valuable commodity - we need to treat it as such... Now, if Cerra was to become Pendlebury-like, I'm all in. Just not seeing him reaching those great heights at this point. Who knows - maybe it's partly homesickness.

Edit: I’m certainly not as opposed to trading our first for Cerra as I was to trading our first for Saad last year. Just don’t think it’s the best option.

 

[Matty411]

Who would you prefer finn Callahan or Adam Cerra.

Love the look of FC but Cerra for the now and next few years.

Our list (not to speak of the rest) is close and already need to blood Carrol, Ramsay and give Kemp time.

Still, rather both by trading future first

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

cerra for 6 is fair.

 

[plentyblckie]

I’d be very happy to trade 2022 1st , SPS & Fisher for Cerra if it secured the trade.We have plenty of similar players, small & fragile types and if they’re both unhappy then it’s just a logical conclusion.

Lol. Sorry but this is..ill be nice..ridiculous

 

[DangerousD]

I actually don’t think Cerra is an elite midfielder. He may become one. But right now he’s a B grade midfielder. I would argue that If Dow was playing for Freo he would look awfully similar. At his best still Dow is better than Cerra. 2022 will be dows breakout season. And if we have both him and Cerra things will look up very quickly.

At his best, Dow is better than Cerra? Based on what? Dow has played 17 games this year, averaging 14 possessions and just over 2 tackles.

Cerra has played 18 games, averaging 23 disposals and 2.5 tackles.

In 17 games of footy this year, Dow had more kicks than handballs, once, just once, Dow was just dropped from a side that is decimated with injuries, what metric is hIs best, better than Cerra?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

That is a ridiculous price to pay for an out of contract 21 year old with 70 odd games under his belt.

Our problem it SPS is worth peanuts. It hurts us to see him added to a trade but if it was say pick ~40 instead (About SPS’ value) then we wouldn’t blink at it.
Thankfully Fisher is contracted

 

[bmaurizio]

Lol. Sorry but this is..ill be nice..ridiculous

SPS is out the door , and worth too much, Fisher’s tackling was horrible, outmuscled by Tanner Bruhn a 19yr youngster.

 

[bmaurizio]

cerra for 6 is fair.

Absolutely and I’d throw in a sweetener to close it quickly, we need a Ruckman next .

 

[KohPhi]

At his best, Dow is better than Cerra? Based on what? Dow has played 17 games this year, averaging 14 possessions and just over 2 tackles.

Cerra has played 18 games, averaging 23 disposals and 2.5 tackles.

In 17 games of footy this year, Dow had more kicks than handballs, once, just once, Dow was just dropped from a side that is decimated with injuries, what metric is hIs best, better than Cerra?

I think Dow may have more 'tricks' than Cerra, but agree.. on current output Cerra is a far better footballer.

 

[Jeremias]

SPS is out the door , and worth too much, Fisher’s tackling was horrible, outmuscled by Tanner Bruhn a 19yr youngster.

Cerra averages 2.6 tackles per game this season. One or fewer tackles in 7 games this season.

Let's not talk him up as some sort of tackling machine.