Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[tielgaz]

now we just need Stanley, Rohan and Dahlhaus to follow suit and we will have the beginnings of a squad

Stanley, who is going to be our ruckman the Rat?

I mean the players that are being paid that amount would be the B grade players , to put it in perspective someone like Stewart and Bews would be around or a little bit more than that …not a rookie kid

Taylor gone off the deep end

Need
Bews $400 at best. Stewart maybe!

 

[standupand]

Taylor walked in the door at 90kg he wasn't exactly undersized, one of the main reasons he slotted in so easily was he was physically ready for the role.

I thought he was a bit slighter when he first arrived. Maybe I'm wrong. He was definitely very physically strong through a lot of his career, but mostly still preferred to use his ability to read the play and not get drawn into wrestling matches. It may be true that there are a lot more Buddy clones these days - 200cm athletic key forwards. But I'm just not convinced that means you have to necessarily find guys who match them for size. You just need players who can work as a unit both with the ball and without.

 

[My Tilly]

Everyone keeps bringing up Scarlett and Fletcher's lack of size but who exactly was the 195cm plus 100kg forward that they had to hold their own against? It's a different game these days.

SDK will benefit massively from a year of VFL to grow into his body and actually get accustomed to playing the position in a senior environment.

Rocca's, Hall, Neitz, Gehrig, Richardson, Brown, Lynch, Tredrea etc.

I think you are confused and thinking of the 80's and early 90's where you seldom rarely found a forward 195/100kg. That all changed as soon as Scarlett debuted. By the time he was nearing the end of his career, he had a teammate beside listed at 197cm tall capable of playing on the modern day talls.

 

[catempire]

Got 3 words cats fans.......Draft, Draft, Draft

Please no more trades in!

I’ve got seven: draft, trade, free agents, rookies, Cat Bs. Need to use all avenues to build and maintain a list.

 

[tielgaz]

Kolo has spent most of his career as a defender and has been horrible for most of it, but he gets a 3 year contract and gets picked every week.

We need a few whipping boys Rohan and Kolo are that for us. Kolo does some good things like good overhead and can play on small or tall forwards but then makes the most basic mistakes like short pass to the tigs in the GF to turn the March. Can’t say Bliz gave me any confidence in the finals so not sure we can get rid of him

 

[standupand]

Im not sure it does..free agency can though fortunately.

We've seen that approach taken in 2016 when we faced a similar hole in the list and I'm not convinced it's the best way to go. Pretty soon you can add those players to the list of over 30s you have to nurse through the season.

 

[tielgaz]

Really think that back six is too short. Really only have Henry to play on the monsters, and he’s better off being able to free wheel I think. I’d assume we will have to pick up a tall defender in the off season. The cupboard is now very bare.

I don’t think Z.Guthrie is a long term option. Like Atkins, he lacks quality.

Yep Henry on the a king boys got carved up, no good as the key defender better on the 3rd stringer so he can intercept.

 

[Two Planks]

We need a few whipping boys Rohan and Kolo are that for us. Kolo does some good things like good overhead and can play on small or tall forwards but then makes the most basic mistakes like short pass to the tigs in the GF to turn the March. Can’t say Bliz gave me any confidence in the finals so not sure we can get rid of him

I can play on talls and smalls, doesn't mean I'd be good on either though. He gets chopped up by smalls, especially in finals and sh!T's himself on talls. No good.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Got 3 words cats fans.......Draft, Draft, Draft

Please no more trades in!

6 outs from the senior list looking likely plus 2 rookie spots. At this stage we have 3x 2nds and a 3rd. Add a 2ndish for Clark.

I think it's 4x drafted, 1x senior brought in free in Talia, 1x trade in ruck and two rookies, probably mature agers.

 

[My Tilly]

Yep Henry on the a king boys got carved up, no good as the key defender better on the 3rd stringer so he can intercept.

That's not surprising given his lack of size (192cm/92kg).

 

[Fluffyguts]

I’ve got seven: draft, trade, free agents, rookies, Cat Bs. Need to use all avenues to build and maintain a list.

yeah I do agree but I think we have not utililised Draft as well as we could over last few season. Nothing against Max & Sam who look like futur stars

 

[ShaunWDT]

That's not surprising given his lack of size (192cm/92kg).

Henry just isn't a key defender, more he's made to play that role the more frequently hes going to get exposed, only got by on opponent inaccuracy on multiple occasions this year.

Will happen even more frequently if we are replacing Henderson with a lightly framed kid like everyone seems to want to be doing on here.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Taylor walked in the door at 90kg he wasn't exactly undersized, one of the main reasons he slotted in so easily was he was physically ready for the role.

SDK was 87kg at the start of this year. He will be over 90kg at the start of 2022.

 

[My Tilly]

Henry just isn't a key defender, more he's made to play that role the more frequently hes going to get exposed, only got by on opponent inaccuracy on multiple occasions this year.

I tend to agree.
He does have length though. But when we saw him matched up against King and those players 6ft'7+ he's just in no man's land.
This is why it would have been good to keep Kreuger. Even if he amounted to nothing, it's depth which allows others to develop nicely. Trial and error as they say.

 

[Tackle_happy]

I tend to agree.
He does have length though. But when we saw him matched up against King and those players 6ft'7+ he's just in no man's land.
This is why it would have been good to keep Kreuger. Even if he amounted to nothing, it's depth which allows others to develop nicely. Trial and error as they say.

Krueger doesn't seem to want to play in the backline ... otherwise he would be staying and getting a few games.

 

[ShaunWDT]

SDK was 87kg at the start of this year. He will be over 90kg at the start of 2022.

Hes ****ing 202cm, he's under developed any way you want to spin it, the positive sign is how quickly his brother bulked up, is only 22 and already 100kg.

 

[tielgaz]

I can play on talls and smalls, doesn't mean I'd be good on either though. He gets chopped up by smalls, especially in finals and sh!T's himself on talls. No good.

So no good then

 

[ShaunWDT]

I tend to agree.
He does have length though. But when we saw him matched up against King and those players 6ft'7+ he's just in no man's land.
This is why it would have been good to keep Kreuger. Even if he amounted to nothing, it's depth which allows others to develop nicely. Trial and error as they say.

That Max King game should have been the end of Henry as the main key back, honestly should have kicked 8 on him.

Going to be in for a world of pain if we are expecting Henry and Kolodjashnij to take these blokes all year next year.

 

[My Tilly]

That Max King game should have been the end of Henry as the main key back, honestly should have kicked 8 on him.

Going to be in for a world of pain if we are expecting Henry and Kolodjashnij to take these blokes all year next year.

I think we will do what we have done for too many years already . . . go bring in some old bloke who has 2 years of good footy left in them and paper over the cracks again.
Daniel Talia is rumored to be linked to us.

 

[calder_daddy]

Have Clark and Krueger officially said they want out yet?




this is sarcasm

 

[Tackle_happy]

Hes ******* 202cm, he's under developed any way you want to spin it, the positive sign is how quickly his brother bulked up, is only 22 and already 100kg.

Agree re TDK. Wouldn't mind getting him on the list.

As for SDK - we will have to agree to disagree. 90kg was the call before - that was answered - his strength will come on quickly. His nous/experience too ... especially working with the likes of Stewart and Henry etc. He has added benefit of being very agile for a tall and of course reach and from the looks he had a bit of pace too.

It's not going to be easy sailing. He will have his ups and downs ... but regardless of whether we are going to the well again or not - it's time for him to get quite a few games under his belt.

 

[Stab Pass]

That Max King game should have been the end of Henry as the main key back, honestly should have kicked 8 on him.

Going to be in for a world of pain if we are expecting Henry and Kolodjashnij to take these blokes all year next year.

Correct, the two Kings, Hipwood, Brown and Dixon are all 200cm plus. You play a 192cm Henry on them and you are going to get slaughtered regardless of defensive structure.

 

[PeasFC]

We've seen that approach taken in 2016 when we faced a similar hole in the list and I'm not convinced it's the best way to go. Pretty soon you can add those players to the list of over 30s you have to nurse through the season.

Pure Ownage is right - we will absolutely be targeting free agents from 2023 whilst going to the draft.
If you cycle our list forward a few years, there will be a huge hole of ages between 25 - 30 (prime).

If we take the best three kids we can at the draft over the next two years... our 2024 list will look like this.

Retired: Selwood, Hawkins, Stanley, Touhy, Higgins, Smith, Rohan (will be 31, but cannot see him on the list 2024).
32 - 33: Danger, Touhy, Blics
30 - 31 Duncan, Meners, Guthrie, Stewart, Cameron.

25 - 30: O'Connor, Atkins, Bews, Kolo. no guns in this bunch, role players (MOC the pick). To not have a single A grader or even a single midfielder amongst this 5 year age bracket would be alarming.

23 - 25: Henry, Close, Simpson, Parfitt, Zuthrie, Esava, Narkle.
20 - 22: SDK, Evans, Stevens, Stephens, Tsapa, Neale, Holmes
18 - 20: 3 picks from 2021, 3 picks from 2022, 3 picks from 2023

We will have salary cap room and the hope would be that a free agent that doesn't cost us picks would be very important.
Absolutely should be looking toward 2023, 2024 free agents in the hope of adding A graders to compliment the kids 25 and under.
It's also why looking at adding cheap players between 22 and 25 now makes a lot of sense - Lynch, Flynn, Ladhams/Hayes, Brander, Ronke, Brodie, LOB, .

 

[ShaunWDT]

Correct, the two Kings, Hipwood, Brown and Dixon are all 200cm plus. You play a 192cm Henry on them and you are going to get slaughtered regardless of defensive structure.

All the more reason I am baffled at the suggestion that we dont need that 198cm/100kg type to take these guys, we struggled WITH Henderson in the side, it should really be one of our top priorities this off season.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Pure Ownage is right - we will absolutely be targeting free agents from 2023 whilst going to the draft.
If you cycle our list forward a few years, there will be a huge hole of ages between 25 - 30 (prime).

If we take the best three kids we can at the draft over the next two years... our 2024 list will look like this.

Retired: Selwood, Hawkins, Stanley, Touhy, Higgins, Smith, Rohan (will be 31, but cannot see him on the list 2024).
32 - 33: Danger, Touhy, Blics
30 - 31 Duncan, Meners, Guthrie, Stewart, Cameron.

25 - 30: O'Connor, Atkins, Bews, Kolo. no guns in this bunch, role players (MOC the pick). To not have a single A grader or even a single midfielder amongst this 5 year age bracket would be alarming.

23 - 25: Henry, Close, Simpson, Parfitt, Zuthrie, Esava, Narkle.
20 - 22: SDK, Evans, Stevens, Stephens, Tsapa, Neale, Holmes
18 - 20: 3 picks from 2021, 3 picks from 2022, 3 picks from 2023

We will have salary cap room and the hope would be that a free agent that doesn't cost us picks would be very important.
Absolutely should be looking toward 2023, 2024 free agents in the hope of adding A graders to compliment the kids 25 and under.
It's also why looking at adding cheap players between 22 and 25 now makes a lot of sense - Brander, Ronke, Brodie, LOB, Flynn, Ladhams/Hayes.

Id rather have an unbalance than fill list spots with list cloggers, guys like Ronke/Brander/Brodie arent making us any better.