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Chief said:
And it places Rittenhouse at the top of the hierarchy. The alt-rights love it. He stormed in and took out a leftist BLM paedo, and will suffer no legal consequences.
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Compare and contrast.

 
Gough said:
Compare and contrast.

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The issue here wasn't that he was black, it was that he had three prior felony convictions in a state that punishes you on the 4th strike with 25 to life and didn't have retroactive parole afforded to those previously.

And nobody was injured, but someone was held up by an armed person which is traumatic.

This is the sort of law that comes about when so many of their justice system are elected to be "tough on crime".
 
SSwans2011 said:
In complete fairness, I think Rittenhouse's mum bears as much responsibility and deserves more scrutiny.

What kind of mum drives their son into a heated protest to have him join counter-protesters while armed with a ******* assault rifle? What a complete dumbarse who is now partly responsible for 2 people's deaths as well as the charges her son faces.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Still think she's a garbage parent, but Kyle drove himself to the protest
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The sister's boyfriend too, if what I've read is correct.

scoman said:
Why continue to embarrass yourself by not checking the facts?

Mumsy was not involved and the gun was not stored at her house.
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Sister's boyfriend's house yeah?
 
Alberto_Magnifico said:
You should try to remove your Australian bias and be more accepting of other cultures.
Also, it wasn't an "assault rifle", no matter how much more scary you think it makes it sound, it was just a rifle.
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AR 15, rifle.

AR from Assault Rifle. A derivative of the Vietnam war style US marines gun.

De militarised from full automatic. Semi auto. One pull, 1 shot, Not bolt action as many would think a rifle should be.

Similar to one of Martyn Bryant's guns with which he killed 35 & wounded 23 at Port Arthur.

Carry on.
 
madmug said:
AR 15, rifle.

AR from Assault Rifle. A derivative of the Vietnam war style US marines gun.

De militarised from full automatic. Semi auto. One pull, 1 shot, Not bolt action as many would think a rifle should be.

Similar to one of Martyn Bryant's guns with which he killed 35 & wounded 23 at Port Arthur.

Carry on.
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AR is actually the brand, armalite.

But whatever..
 

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ChappyUK said:
Australia:

Looking to self-defence in legislation, we can turn to s 10.4(2) of the Criminal Code 1994 (Cth) which states the following:

A person carries out conduct in self-defence if, and only if, he or she believes the conduct is necessary:

  • to defend himself or herself or another person; or

Wisconsin

(2014)
939.48  Self-defense and defense of others.

939.48(1) (1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.
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Its an objective standard, and 'great bodily harm' is a higher threshold than 'getting the shit kicked out of you'.

Ive had schoolyard fights where I have kicked the shit out of someone (and had the shit kicked out of me). Those fights did not require lethal force in response.
 
madmug said:
Yes, a derivative of a military Assault rifle. The ArmaLite was a military grade weapon.
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The AR doesn't stand for assault rifle. It stands for Armalite rifle.
 

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Gough said:
Compare and contrast.

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Looks like he received a mandatory sentence of sorts in the form of a three strikes you're out policy. What a horrendous outcome for him.

As I have mentioned to Chief earlier in this thread, it doesn't really matter when it comes to this case. Rittenhouse is entitled to a fair trial and to have the best representation available to him. Raise the standard for everyone should be the idea.
 
madmug said:
AR 15, rifle.

AR from Assault Rifle. A derivative of the Vietnam war style US marines gun.

De militarised from full automatic. Semi auto. One pull, 1 shot, Not bolt action as many would think a rifle should be.

Similar to one of Martyn Bryant's guns with which he killed 35 & wounded 23 at Port Arthur.

Carry on.
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Assault rifles have selecte fire, full auto or semi auto.
AR-15 is a trademark, for a semi auto, made by colt.
Carry on cobber!
 
ringo200 said:
If the third guy with the gun had shot and killed KR, would he get off the same charge for self-defence?

Or if the second guy with the skateboard had seriously hurt him?
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I haven't really put a great deal of thought into that, but it would be a pretty interesting case and possibly more difficult to determine. You have to remember that in each case that Rittenhouse found himself in, he was in a defensive position. Running away, semi cornered, running away, on the ground etc... Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskruetz were all moving towards Rittenhouse when they were shot. In each case they were the attacker, regardless of their motivation.
I think they might struggle to claim self defence, because the prosecution would certainly be able to argue that they didn't need to do what they did, in that they had other options available to them. But there might be another angle or argument their lawyers could mount to defend them. For example domestic violence victims sometimes get off murder charges due to the position they were acting to avoid future violence etc. Also members of the community haven't been charged for attacking a person during an active shooter situation. That sort of defence would have some merit in the case of Huber and Grosskruetz if they could convince the jury they thought they were stopping further bloodshed.
 
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Alberto_Magnifico said:
Assault rifles have selecte fire, full auto or semi auto.
AR-15 is a trademark, for a semi auto, made by colt.
Carry on cobber!
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Alright, semi-automatic rifles regularly used in mass shootings a more accurate description we're all happy with?
 
SSwans2011 said:
Alright, semi-automatic rifles regularly used in mass shootings a more accurate description we're all happy with?
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Semi-auto rifles aren't regularly used in mass shootings.

Semi-auto handguns are.
 

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