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[BigBreakfast]

All good stuff...but you cant have a coach that doesn't perform thinking he is eternally safe either. Its a tough gig and a real conundrum for a club that has long forgotten what success is.
Yes they have to back him in, but he has to do something we haven't seen in 25 years. Instill a winning attitude and expectation instead of a hopeful one.

Completely agree. He needs time to install the values he sees as important. By the same token, he can’t feel like he has forever. This the the balance that Cook etc have to find and Vossy in himself. Really important that the players put their footballing life on the line, for some of them, it might be the end or move on.

 

[thylacine60]

I agree with ya and I know you'll suggest I'm picking out only one aspect of your post but "By the same token, he can’t feel like he has forever" is pretty silly.

 

[Accidental genius]

The coach would have to work towards meeting/exceeding kpi’s. These will show the club how he is tracking so if he doesn’t have a clue I’m sure it will get picked up in no time. I’m sure this is not the case with Voss.

But the real issue that was raised in one of the previous posts was about the tail wagging the fog dog. The players need to know that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The coach would have to work towards meeting/exceeding kpi’s. These will show the club how he is tracking so if he doesn’t have a clue I’m sure it will get picked up in no time. I’m sure this is not the case with Voss.

But the real issue that was raised in one of the previous posts was about the tail wagging the fog. The players need to know that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated.

Bad fog ... nasty stuff.

 

[gbatman]

All good stuff...but you cant have a coach that doesn't perform thinking he is eternally safe either. Its a tough gig and a real conundrum for a club that has long forgotten what success is.
Yes they have to back him in, but he has to do something we haven't seen in 25 years. Instill a winning attitude and expectation instead of a hopeful one.

The right person will perform without that pressure, it's called competitiveness which from his playing career we know he has. When you coach a side you have a want to win and a desire to succeeded and a hatred of failure. All the great coaches have this and we know he has this.

We have all seen the new coach effect come into play. Teams often over perform when a new coach comes in and then that wanes. The opposite effect happens when there is a feeling that the coach will be sacked and we have seen that too.

The coach needs to squeeze the last 5% out of players and it's all about getting them to do the things they don't want to do and the uncomfortable things which when watching us play is definitely a part of our issues. The things that hurt, the things that put team first the things that require bravery, extra effort, sacrifice and professionalism. The coach can demand these things until he is blue in the face but if the players know there is a way out of it then it's not going to happen and a coach who's future is up in the air is not going to achieve this. The coach's authority needs to be absolute, his position needs to be cemented and his leadership group needs to have his back and reiterate his message or these things don't get done and the best the team could be is mediocre.

This is why when a coach's position is up in the air the team underperforms and they mostly fail and get sacked. This has been a Carlton players way of getting out of things for 20 years. This is how our players/club have managed to turn proven and successful coaches into failures over the years.

 

[Blue and Blue]

The right person will perform without that pressure, it's called competitiveness which from his playing career we know he has. When you coach a side you have a want to win and a desire to succeeded and a hatred of failure. All the great coaches have this and we know he has this.

We have all seen the new coach effect come into play. Teams often over perform when a new coach comes in and then that wanes. The opposite effect happens when there is a feeling that the coach will be sacked and we have seen that too.

The coach needs to squeeze the last 5% out of players and it's all about getting them to do the things they don't want to do and the uncomfortable things which when watching us play is definitely a part of our issues. The things that hurt, the things that put team first the things that require bravery, extra effort, sacrifice and professionalism. The coach can demand these things until he is blue in the face but if the players know there is a way out of it then it's not going to happen and a coach who's future is up in the air is not going to achieve this. The coach's authority needs to be absolute, his position needs to be cemented and his leadership group needs to have his back and reiterate his message or these things don't get done and the best the team could be is mediocre.

This is why when a coach's position is up in the air the team underperforms and they mostly fail and get sacked. This has been a Carlton players way of getting out of things for 20 years. This is how our players/club have managed to turn proven and successful coaches into failures over the years.

I don't accept the premise that players look for ways of getting out of things. They play the game with the wish to be winners not to have a cushy job. There might be the odd exception but a player like that will survive less time than the coach does. That said the coach has to make them winners or yes as you suggest they would get fed up (with losing, not with being pushed to get better).
Well its up to Voss now and he might just be the one that does what 20 odd years of coaches couldn't.

 

[JustaBattler]

When Carlton had a top4 forward line and a finals quality midfield it had one decent defender in Jamison and that is why that period failed to achieve sustainable finals and build from that.

When Carlton went into full rebuild all it had was Cripps and an ageing Murphy and Gibbs. Bolton tried to build a Club around a bunch of high pick mids straight out of school - was never going to succeed in three years.

When Carlton went with Teague it got sucked into the sugar hit of end-of-season wins based on Joe the goose football.

The team list is more balanced now and Carlton has a number of genuine A grade players in Weitering Saad Wiliams Cripps Walsh Cerra McKay Martin and McGovern to build around.

For mine, it is all about game style and getting players who will rotate through midfield to hold their ends up well enough for the stars to do their thing. Voss will do best by empowering players like Honey | Durdin | Carroll | Kennedy and getting Fisher types to play disciplined team-based football instead of lairising around and achieving nothing. Voss won't have the burden of carrying past it players like Casboult or Murphy either - this is baggage he doesn't have to even think about.

Voss is starting with a genuine middling team - we are in a much better place going into 22 than under Teague and his nonsense.

Will be fascinating to see how he wants them tp play and who will surprise us under new coaching.

 

[CJMB]

When Carlton had a top4 forward line and a finals quality midfield it had one decent defender in Jamison and that is why that period failed to achieve sustainable finals and build from that.

When Carlton went into full rebuild all it had was Cripps and an ageing Murphy and Gibbs. Bolton tried to build a Club around a bunch of high pick mids straight out of school - was never going to succeed in three years.

When Carlton went with Teague it got sucked into the sugar hit of end-of-season wins based on Joe the goose football.

The team list is more balanced now and Carlton has a number of genuine A grade players in Weitering Saad Wiliams Cripps Walsh Cerra McKay Martin and McGovern to build around.

For mine, it is all about game style and getting players who will rotate through midfield to hold their ends up well enough for the stars to do their thing. Voss will do best by empowering players like Honey | Durdin | Carroll | Kennedy and getting Fisher types to play disciplined team-based football instead of lairising around and achieving nothing. Voss won't have the burden of carrying past it players like Casboult or Murphy either - this is baggage he doesn't have to even think about.

Voss is starting with a genuine middling team - we are in a much better place going into 22 than under Teague and his nonsense.

Will be fascinating to see how he wants them tp play and who will surprise us under new coaching.

Just focussing on those 9 players you listed, another aspect aside from quantity is the spread across the ground.

Weitering Williams Saad (Docherty)
Walsh Cripps Cerra (Hewett)
McKay Martin McGovern (Curnow)

I’ve added another senior name to each line with Doc a former A grader, Curnow a potential now he’s back up and Hewett as a highly valuable hard-nosed/grunt/defensive/etc midfielder that the top teams structure around (ie Viney, Libba).

 

[ParaBellum]

Good to know that Mitch McGovern

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is an A grader now.

 

[Del9Sep24]

When Carlton had a top4 forward line and a finals quality midfield it had one decent defender in Jamison and that is why that period failed to achieve sustainable finals and build from that.

When Carlton went into full rebuild all it had was Cripps and an ageing Murphy and Gibbs. Bolton tried to build a Club around a bunch of high pick mids straight out of school - was never going to succeed in three years.

When Carlton went with Teague it got sucked into the sugar hit of end-of-season wins based on Joe the goose football.

The team list is more balanced now and Carlton has a number of genuine A grade players in Weitering Saad Wiliams Cripps Walsh Cerra McKay Martin and McGovern to build around.

For mine, it is all about game style and getting players who will rotate through midfield to hold their ends up well enough for the stars to do their thing. Voss will do best by empowering players like Honey | Durdin | Carroll | Kennedy and getting Fisher types to play disciplined team-based football instead of lairising around and achieving nothing. Voss won't have the burden of carrying past it players like Casboult or Murphy either - this is baggage he doesn't have to even think about.

Voss is starting with a genuine middling team - we are in a much better place going into 22 than under Teague and his nonsense.

Will be fascinating to see how he wants them tp play and who will surprise us under new coaching.

Just the 4 A graders in there. The rest B-D grade.

 

[JustaBattler]

Which one of: Weitering Saad Wiliams Cripps Walsh Cerra McKay Martin and McGovern is a D grader?

anyway - My definition of an A grader is a player likely to be a starting player in most if not all other AFL teams.

if you have a different definition that's fine by me and you can make any argument you like to support your views.

I stand by these blokes as being a core of quality players available to Voss to build a competitive game plan around - which is my point. They arent alone but they are a good enough base in themselves.

 

[thylacine60]

who are our bottom six in our best 22? threadworthy?

 

[Accidental genius]

who are our bottom six in our best 22? threadworthy?

Yes, good idea.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Jeezus, our coach has light sabers in his shoulders, subtle road rage weapons activated.
True story, parked at the lights, turn to my left, low and behold, Vossy sitting in his new Hyundai Tuscon.
I get my white one on Friday!!

 

[Blue Bloods]

One of the things I like about Voss is that he has said, players are not necessary playing for best 22 but playing for defined roles.

Dow is the perfect example of this, he is probably best 22 over LOB, Boyd, Owies and probably a few others, but he is fighting for the inside midfielder role and need to replace the likes of Kennedy, Hewett types. Dow will not play forward flank, forward pocket even thou he is best 22 because others can play that role better.

Setterfield playing wing is the only player I see playing outside his preferred role, but also understand this as wing is a weakness in our team and he has first crack there.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think we may have made a mistake. Round 2 and he's already phoning it in.

 

[Thrawn]

I think we may have made a mistake. Round 2 and he's already phoning it in.

My skeleton cringed!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

My skeleton cringed!

Don't let it rattle you

 

[Revenant1995]

Wishing Voss and all affected by COVID all the best. Don't feel anxious about this weekend, whatever the result. Feels like we have a really good system in place, not only for on-field but with coaches and across the board.

 

[ferrisb]

I think we may have made a mistake. Round 2 and he's already phoning it in.

Typical Vossy, just buying into the Carlton culture.

Almost the whole team phoned it in during round 2 last year...

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Watching the Noble press conference today made me all the more grateful for Voss. I'm so glad that we're not the team sacking another coach because we're consistently underperforming.

Vossy and his coaching team have been revelations this year. I'm so proud of them.

 

[LanceRomance]

Watching the Noble press conference today made me all the more grateful for Voss. I'm so glad that we're not the team sacking another coach because we're consistently underperforming.

Vossy and his coaching team have been revelations this year. I'm so proud of them.

Let's hope we don't lose any of the coaching team to norf

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Watching the Noble press conference today made me all the more grateful for Voss. I'm so glad that we're not the team sacking another coach because we're consistently underperforming.

Vossy and his coaching team have been revelations this year. I'm so proud of them.

I'm actually happy Luke Sayers replace MLG and had the balls to call for a review half way through the year with all the outside noise against him he kept pushing - then changed his board and made decisions based on what was put in front of him - if you had of asked me at start of review Lloyd Russel recruiters development staff all survive I would of said no they will probably blow up the joint and start all fresh --and now we going well he is in the background watching on ..

Vossy has won me over as a coaching appointment though .. and the panel he working with compliment him ..

 

[footyfan1978]

Best coaching appointment we've made in decades...
Could not be happier and excited to see Cookie and Vossy leading our club now.
Feel very excited for the players to basically be returning after their break to totally new coaching staff and drive to be a power again as a club.
Been a long long time coming.

So happy for Vossy to be coaching the club he grew up barracking for as a kid. Exciting chapter in his life and think the timing of all this could not be better for him and us as a club.

Well over nine months since and as I said at the time, could not be happier.
Our best appointment since the 80's and 90's.

Just trying to think back to coaches we had since I been following this club.

1. Ian Stewart for 6 or so games
2. Alex Jesaulenko as captain coach for rest of 1978 and 1979.
3. Percy Jones 1980
4. David Parkin 1981 to 1985
5. Robert Walls 1986 to about round 9ish of 1989.
6. Jezza back out of coaching retirement from ACT mid 1989 for most volatile football match I seen on a Friday night v Swans
I think he helped out till end of 1991 and then Parkin back for his second stint too.
7. Parkin 1992 to 1999 or 2000
8. Brittian 2001 to whenever the salary cap horror show happened
9. Pagan appointed by outgoing president John Elliott as his last deluded stand to stay on
10. Ratten
11. Dickhead Malthouse
12. Bolton
13. Teague
14. Vossy

Vossy already in my top four favourites as coach in my time of following.
Loving the ride almost as much as the Jezza one in late 70's as a little kid.

 

[gab213]

Typical Vossy, just buying into the Carlton culture.

Almost the whole team phoned it in during round 2 last year...

Well over nine months since and as I said at the time, could not be happier.
Our best appointment since the 80's and 90's.

Just trying to think back to coaches we had since I been following this club.

1. Ian Stewart for 6 or so games
2. Alex Jesaulenko as captain coach for rest of 1978 and 1979.
3. Percy Jones 1980
4. David Parkin 1981 to 1985
5. Robert Walls 1986 to about round 9ish of 1989.
6. Jezza back out of coaching retirement from ACT mid 1989 for most volatile football match I seen on a Friday night v Swans
I think he helped out till end of 1991 and then Parkin back for his second stint too.
7. Parkin 1992 to 1999 or 2000
8. Brittian 2001 to whenever the salary cap horror show happened
9. Pagan appointed by outgoing president John Elliott as his last deluded stand to stay on
10. Ratten
11. Dickhead Malthouse
12. Bolton
13. Teague
14. Vossy

Vossy already in my top four favourites as coach in my time of following.
Loving the ride almost as much as the Jezza one in late 70's as a little kid.

12 different coaches in 44 years, averaging less than 4 years each and that's with Parkin having been coach for 15 of those 44 years. Jezza finished up at the end of 90 in his second stint as coach, Parko was coach from 1991-2000.

As well as the coaches you mentioned, I remember Barassi, Nicholls and Thorogood as coaches. For me, Parkin was the greatest coach we have had and Voss could very well develop into the best coach we have had since Parko finished up. The signs are very good at the moment.