Review Season in review 2022

[Tom14]

Absolutely false. Dan did not outperform Joe in the first six rounds and to suggest so is Beardancer wacky.

Joe kicked 19 goals in the first 6 rounds of this year - Dan's best ever goal tally was 28 last year. I like Dan a lot more than most but c'mon people.

 

[martinson]

I've still got faith in Daniher.

At his worst he still takes the opposition's best defender and that has to help the others .

He was the second best player in the team up until he pinged his shoulder imo.

I'm not discounting that his best could be ahead of him , but he needs to work a lot harder on the defensive side of his game and strive to be fully engaged for the whole 4 quarters.

He's still an immense talent and has time to put it all together.

 

[Tom14]

I've still got faith in Daniher.

At his worst he still takes the opposition's best defender and that has to help the others .

He was the second best player in the team up until he pinged his shoulder imo.

I'm not discounting that his best could be ahead of him nut he needs to work a lot harder on the defensive side of his game and strive to be fully engaged for the whole 4 quarters.

He's still an immense talent and has time to put it all together.

Totally agree, he was one of the form players of the comp pre-injury, and that included excellent performances against Geelong and the Pies in that run, and port too who ended up a stout defensive team (so defensive they didn't score at all to be fair).

 

[martinson]

Totally agree, he was one of the form players of the comp pre-injury, and that included excellent performances against Geelong and the Pies in that run, and port too who ended up a stout defensive team (so defensive they didn't score at all to be fair).

It's interesting . Some Lions supporters I know knock Daniher at every opportunity. Get texts during games , he didn't do this or that . I never saw it . The funniest ones were from someone who shall remain nameless who let fly on him multiple times after half time in the Tigers game and was still at it in the last quarter. When he kicked 2 goals it was a fluke ,about time ,whatever.

I think the staging thing is overrated . The one a season ago where he staged was replayed 5000 times and ever since then he can't buy a free kick. He's a big ungainly guy who often gets scragged or pushed out with zero frees.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I'll make a prediction now. Joe will kick 5 in the GF next year to win us the flag, including one in the dying minutes to put us in front. Will be the game of all games to silence the doubters.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Joe is the personification of X factor. It was his freak goal that won the elimination final. 3 goals as well IIRC.

 

[TS13]

Joe kicked 19 goals in the first 6 rounds of this year - Dan's best ever goal tally was 28 last year. I like Dan a lot more than most but c'mon people.

To add to this, don't think Dan has ever had the opposition number 1 key back play on him in any of his 161 games with us. Joe at least takes a key defender as his matchup.

 

[pod17]

Daniher, even pre injury this year, has not been close to his 2017 standards. I don’t expect him to get back there given his groin issues, which is fine as he could still play an important role for us structurally.

However, the issue is that his remuneration implies he will perform at that 2017 level. There are a number of players who kicked more goals this year that would be on $250,000 less a season at other clubs, which makes it hard to justify his contract. Joe needs a big pre season to repay the club’s faith. In 2023 he must 1) impact the scoreboard consistently (and most importantly in big games which is why we brought him to the club) 2) be predictable to his small forwards by creating a contest (without infringing) and 3) strengthen the versatility in his game (his rucking and follow up work was not much better than Fullarton’s).

Regardless, to take the next step we will need to address other areas too. Our backline looked shaky at times - save for Starc who I think should finish top 5 in our B and F. Our midfield, outside of Clugg and Neale also looked very beatable - which is why the Dunkley addition is such a win.

Looking at 2022, it was another ‘what if’ year. The Essendon Covid game hurt us, and meant we had to play three intense games in a row. Importantly, we showed we can adapt and perform under finals pressure, by getting to the prelim with a win at the ‘G which was a nice take away.

If Fagan is replaced, it will be interesting to see if we persist with a taller set up or look to keep speed on the ball - which is when we have looked at our best.

 

[Nunez]

I guess I was more meaning what Dan offered the team overall - was a superior second ruck, a better mark, literally anywhere, doesn't play for frees (which I am sure no Lions fan can stand) - i accept that Joe hit the scoreboard more in the first part of the season, not going to suggest otherwise or id be wrong.

IDK - I just think Dan is much more value for money than Joe will ever be and that we've backed the wrong horse really - not sure Joe was ever a need o be honest. Anyway, Im not going to die on a hill over it, just stating that I'd have preferred Dan any day of the week over Joe - not that it matters know. We're stuck with Joe and will now have to play the two talls and will likely go with two rucks.

A more mobile fwd like with Hippy and Dan (as second ruck) and either O or Fort in my view is much better than Joe, Eric and Fort and O.

Dan on his current salary is more value for money than Joe. Dan on the contract Collingwood offered is overpaying for a role player.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Daniher is having a shoulder reco right ?

 

[dlanod]

To add to this, don't think Dan has ever had the opposition number 1 key back play on him in any of his 161 games with us. Joe at least takes a key defender as his matchup.

I'll say you're technically incorrect, but that's only because we served up some truly horrific teams back in 2015 where we literally had no other options forward. I don't fault anyone for having blocked that entire year out of their memory.

McStay spent entire games trying to stand on people's shoulders and missing the ball.

 

[Nuggo]

Not sure why people attack Joe. The club keep playing him if anything blame the match committee.

Simply don't treat Joe as a saviour. He is a cog in a system and just needs to play his role.

Is he on more than what we should have paid, perhaps, but that is the difference in drafting and developing well over bringing in outside players.

Also I don't believe Joe was the difference in making the GF or not.

I think his injury has impacted him fairly heavily. This could be a concern going forward if his shoulders are knackered.

 

[On the quiet]

Joe kicked 19 goals in the first 6 rounds of this year - Dan's best ever goal tally was 28 last year. I like Dan a lot more than most but c'mon people.

Couple of soft teams in those early rounds Bombers and North, and even PA don't have a stellar backline. But Joe did kick 3 against Geelong in round 4

I think when fit he is a dangerous forward and a better option than McStay.

 

[Tom14]

Couple of soft teams in those early rounds Bombers and North, and even PA don't have a stellar backline. But Joe did kick 3 against Geelong in round 4

I think when fit he is a dangerous forward and a better option than McStay.

Essendon and North were his two quietest games in that period. As you say he kicked 3 against Geelong and then 4 on Darcy Moore who always has trouble with him.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Couple of soft teams in those early rounds Bombers and North, and even PA don't have a stellar backline. But Joe did kick 3 against Geelong in round 4

I think when fit he is a dangerous forward and a better option than McStay.

He's better than McStay periodt

 

[Section 5]

Regarding Jo, he played very well before his injury and quite serviceable after returning
Hippy was serviceable after returning from an ACL and got better with each game
Hopefully both back to best in 2023

I just wish Jo would do the basics in marking and leading right.
No need to jump very high just do the basics in contests and leading.
This will result in more marks taken during the year and possibly more frees for him instead of against

 

[25 years on]

What do you mean by current group? Does adding Dunkley and Ashcroft change the current group? Or are you talking more and bigger changes?

IMO there’s so many guys in our best 22 that have another level to go to and the current core we have is good enough to take us all the way. Add Dunkley and Ashcroft to the team then more games into guys like Dev, Wilmot and Lohmann and I think the squad is only getting better and has loads of improvement from a team that just made a prelim.

If you add Dunkley, Ashcroft, and the other three you mentioned, that means taking a five out, I would say that’s a pretty big change to our current group. Who would you say we drop?

 

[mattsmob]

If you add Dunkley, Ashcroft, and the other three you mentioned, that means taking a five out, I would say that’s a pretty big change to our current group. Who would you say we drop?

Wilmot and Dev were already in the team to finish the season so I don’t need to take anyone out for those 2. I’d take Answerth out for Ashcroft who was playing on the wing in the prelim. I really like Ah Chee and would have him as the sub but would replace him with Dunkley and have Berry, Ashcroft, Bailey and Hugh spending time on the wing. Would love to get Lohmann in on a permanent basis but it’s pretty hard to do so with our current forward set up so would be bringing him in at every opportunity if someone like Zorko needs a break.

 

[a mayes ing]

Wilmot and Dev were already in the team to finish the season so I don’t need to take anyone out for those 2. I’d take Answerth out for Ashcroft who was playing on the wing in the prelim. I really like Ah Chee and would have him as the sub but would replace him with Dunkley and have Berry, Ashcroft, Bailey and Hugh spending time on the wing. Would love to get Lohmann in on a permanent basis but it’s pretty hard to do so with our current forward set up so would be bringing him in at every opportunity if someone like Zorko needs a break.

I would say Lohmann is up against McCarthy. McCarthy has been down on form and goes missing quite regularly but will then play out a great game. If Lohmann consistently gets 1-2 goals a game in the VFL and regularly applies that elite defensive pressure that he was providing up until his debut, then l think he will add quite a bit of value and keeping it in our f50,

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Debatable and in your opinion - Ill agree to disagree on that one FoF

When McStay kicks 50+ in a year I'll consider him to be close to Daniher's level. He has all the tools but he's far too inconsistent.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

This season was perfectly meh.

We never really seemed to get going in H&A, but the finals series made up for that feeling of not really getting anywhere near our best footy. The arse fell out of our defence and our midfield dropped off a bit as well. The forward line was potent as always but our lack of defensive run crippled us. Burnt on turnover far too often.

Few passengers got carried throughout the year which was frustrating. Hopefully, the change in mindset that we saw in the finals is a sign that the coaching staff and match committee are willing to be more daring with their choice of selections. I understand backing players in to fight through injury, but when the opposition starts to play through them, it might be time to reconsider their position in the 22.

Not a bad year per se, but a re-tooling of the midfield and backline will be in order if we're going to take the next step in 2023.

 

[Lion_LegacyXL]

Joe wasn't the problem in the prelim, there were at least 19 other players that didn't turn up to play that night. His inclusion wasn't the 12 goal difference between us and the cats.

 

[KissKiss]

I'd agree that a fit Joe is a different story. But I do agree that there is still merit in question our forward line mix. I think there is a fair argument that we have too many goal kicking forwards and not enough who do the defensive hard work. And McStay was the best tall at actually chasing and pressuring. If we replace McStay with Fort its not going to improve.

So do we need to tinker with the forward setup (at potentially the cost of some goal scoring ability)?

Charlie, Joe and Hippy are auto inclusions but only Charlie really defends well. Rayner depends on his mid time but again doesnt really run defensively. Zorko and Bailey can do it but probably could do a little more. As much as I hate to say it but Linc is probably one in danger. He has a great ability to pop up in key moments and take great marks. But do we need that from a small? Would we be better served by someone who can run up and down the ground more?

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Marcus Adams

24

Marcus Adams

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

57.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

235.8

4star

worries me. His head injury that surfaced long after the game (IIRC) seemed to suggest to me a bleed i.e. a stroke rather than concussion.

I hope he is OK and we haven't heard anything about his injury, so I hope he is making a full recovery.

Anyone know what is going on?

 

[StevoJenkins]

Marcus Adams worries me. His head injury that surfaced long after the game (IIRC) seemed to suggest to me a bleed i.e. a stroke rather than concussion.

I hope he is OK and we haven't heard anything about his injury, so I hope he is making a full recovery.

Anyone know what is going on?

Heard that his injury has him thinking of retirement/may force him to retire.
Puts extra need on keeping Gardiner.