Play Nice 2022 AFL/AFLW Crowds/TV Ratings/Stream thread

[Gigantor]

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Geelong vs Sydney has ZERO interest for neutrals. Compare it to 2021, 2017 and 2016 where there was a fairytale story to get behind. Both Geelong and Sydney had combined played in 10 of the previous 17 Grand Finals.

There was no team for neutrals to get behind. Just boring old Geelong yet again and an opponent who had been a regular on GF day.

Combine that with literally the WORST possible time slot for TV ratings, plus a one sided game, and you get poor ratings.

I think there is a lot of truth in that, and I say this as a NSWelshman.
Not even Robbie could erase the flatness I felt as we approached the opening ball up.
Then the opening 3 or 4 minutes reminded me of that opening AFLW game between Carlton and Collingwood back in 2017.
Then the Swan's first few clean possessions missed their mark by miles.
Hawkins gets a couple of goals in quick succession out of a ruck contest, and you knew right then, this game is basically over.

 

[Dan26]

It begs the question. What combination of teams would get the highest TV ratings?

The traditional answer is Sydney, as they have played in the 5 highest rated Grand Finals, but some of the novelty has worn of with them for neutrals, due to lots of recent success.

I think either Essendon or Carlton (big clubs with no recent success) playing at 7pm versus someone in a close game, but I'm not sure which opponent for either of these two would draw the highest rating.

Perhaps Ess/Carl vs Fremantle. The Dockers with no premiership, or any real success, plenty of neutral interest and goodwill. The two biggest AFL states involved.

 

[Bjo187]

It begs the question. What combination of teams would get the highest TV ratings?

The traditional answer is Sydney, as they have played in the 5 highest rated Grand Finals, but some of the novelty has worn of with them for neutrals, due to lots of recent success.

I think either Essendon or Carlton (big clubs with no recent success) playing at 7pm versus someone in a close game, but I'm not sure which opponent for either of these two would draw the highest rating.

Perhaps Ess/Carl vs Fremantle. The Dockers with no premiership, or any real success, plenty of neutral interest and goodwill. The two biggest AFL states involved.

I would say Sydney v Brisbane in a close game. The footy states have guaranteed good numbers, you have the biggest side from nsw and qld and it brings in an influx of additional watchers.

The biggest all Vic grand final would be Collingwood v Essendon imo.

*interesting when you compare the 'reach' of the last three grand finals:

• 2020 = 6.23 million
• 2021 = 6.34 million
• 2022 = 5.76 million

So both the biggest tv audience 'Sydney' and biggest pre game 'Robbie Williams' and you are still dropping 4 to 500,000 viewers. It does show though that the game potentially rated well if it had have been a decent contest, but it was never going to pass the last 2 games played at night despite having those big ticket draw cards, simply because of the most unfriendly timeslot, 2.30 on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

 

[weewilly]

I would say Sydney v Brisbane in a close game. The footy states have guaranteed good numbers, you have the biggest side from nsw and qld and it brings in an influx of additional watchers.

The biggest all Vic grand final would be Collingwood v Essendon imo.

Or Collingwood v Carlton or Richmond!

 

[The_Wookie]

Any combination of Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond would go crazy.

 

[weewilly]

All in all considering everything the match had going against it EG" played at the wrong time, great weather that allowed people to go out and about and the game was over for all intents and purposes by half way through the third quarter it is not such a bad figure!

To put the GF figures into perspective the high rating #1 show The Block on CH9 last night got 1,040,000 across the capital cities.

If the NRL was ever stupid enough to play their GF or SOO on a Sat arvo again it would be lucky to get half the ratings that they now get on Sunday night prime time!
It will be interesting to see what two not that popular Sydney tams get for the NRL GF on Sunday night!

I know one thing for sure worn out past his used by date Barnsey the NRLs headline act will come nowhere near the fantastic show that Robbie Williams and Mushroom Events put on!

 

[manicmagpie]

Dunno whether crowds are a great indication of much other than who got the home finals. All you need next year is the Suns getting a couple of home finals and the crowds are going to look a lot worse, even if every game is sold out.

I think most people understand that, however being the 3rd highest total ever (2nd really, given 2010 had 2 Grand Finals) is still a great achievement given the matchups we got.

Easy to forget that there was only one final that wasn't between clubs from different states, whereas 2018 (the only year with higher crowds) had five derbies. Most of the matchups we did get would have been seen as not very promising for big crowds.

However, we achieved:

Week 1:
3 x sellouts
The only game that didn't sell out (Melb v Syd) was the highest non-derby crowd in Week 1 ever - 11k higher than next best

Week 2:
Coll v Freo the highest Semi-Final crowd ever (let alone for a non-derby) under the Final 8 system

Prelims:
Geel v Bris the 4th highest non-derby PF in Final 8 system, best not involving Richmond or Collingwood
Syd v Coll a sellout, 3rd highest AFL crowd at SCG ever

Grand Final
Highest since standing room abolished

We did about as well as possible given the matches.

 

[parano1a]

What combination of teams would get the highest TV ratings?

Collingwood v Richmond (2 biggest Victorian supporter bases)
West Coast v Adelaide (2 biggest interstate supporter bases)

 

[Dan26]

Collingwood v Richmond (2 biggest Victorian supporter bases)
West Coast v Adelaide (2 biggest interstate supporter bases)

Richmond don't have the 2nd biggest Victorian supporter base. Essendon do.

It's Coll, Ess, Carl, Rich.

And there is a significant gap between 2nd and 3rd, also.

Supercoach club supporter rankings (which are consistent with just about every survey that has ever been done, which all show exactly the same order)

Coll 19,921
Ess 19,342

Carl 16,283
Rich 14,223
Haw 12,846
Gee 11,735
St.K 7,670
Kang 7,319
WB 6,645
Melb 6,010

 

[Recon_29]

Richmond don't have the 2nd biggest Victorian supporter base. Essendon do.

It's Coll, Ess, Carl, Rich.

And there is a significant gap between 2nd and 3rd, also.

Supercoach club supporter rankings (which are consistent with just about every survey that has ever been done, which all show exactly the same order)

Coll 19,921
Ess 19,342

Carl 16,283
Rich 14,223
Haw 12,846
Gee 11,735
St.K 7,670
Kang 7,319
WB 6,645
Melb 6,010

Significant gap is just not true at all. Not sure you can use fantasy football figures to justify your argument either considering its mostly for a younger crowd. Carlton had the highest home attendance of all clubs this season and didn't play finals. I think Collingwood are the top dog and the other 3 are just about as big as eachother. Carlton and Essendon seem to have less bandwagon fans than Richmond however.

 

[Dan26]

Significant gap is just not true at all. Not sure you can use fantasy football figures to justify your argument either considering its mostly for a younger crowd. Carlton had the highest home attendance of all clubs this season and didn't play finals. I think Collingwood are the top dog and the other 3 are just about as big as eachother. Carlton and Essendon seem to have less bandwagon fans than Richmond however.

Those Supercoach numbers are replicated in all surveys. Collingwood and Essendon are a clear one a two and always have been. I'm not debating it. I'm stating an unarguable fact.

Look at it this way:

Essendon outdraw Richmond for average attendance versus EVERY non-Vic side in Melbourne since 2004. Yep all 8 of them.

In that time, Essendon has never won a final, Richmond has won three flags, and Essendon play their home games at Marvel, while Richmond play theirs at the MCG, yet Essendon still outdraw Richmond versus every single non-vic side in Melbourne since 2004.

There has always been a big gap between Essendon (2nd) and Carlton (3rd)

The "return match" between Collingwood and Essendon (not Anzac day) also averages higher crowds than any other "return match" combination between the big four clubs which further cements those two clubs are the clear 1 and 2.

 

[weewilly]

I think most people understand that, however being the 3rd highest total ever (2nd really, given 2010 had 2 Grand Finals) is still a great achievement given the matchups we got.

Easy to forget that there was only one final that wasn't between clubs from different states, whereas 2018 (the only year with higher crowds) had five derbies. Most of the matchups we did get would have been seen as not very promising for big crowds.

However, we achieved:

Week 1:
3 x sellouts
The only game that didn't sell out (Melb v Syd) was the highest non-derby crowd in Week 1 ever - 11k higher than next best

Week 2:
Coll v Freo the highest Semi-Final crowd ever (let alone for a non-derby) under the Final 8 system

Prelims:
Geel v Bris the 4th highest non-derby PF in Final 8 system, best not involving Richmond or Collingwood
Syd v Coll a sellout, 3rd highest AFL crowd at SCG ever

Grand Final
Highest since standing room abolished

We did about as well as possible given the matches.

Standing Room has not been abolished at the MCG!

The ground holds 100,024 fans which is 95,000 seats and 5,024 standing room spots'

My understanding is the the MCC could sell 10,000 standing room tickets but wont do it as the Shane Warne Stand becomes too crowded.
This will change when the SWS is replaced after the 2026 Comm games when the capicity will increase to between 105,00 to 110,000.

They even sold 1000 standing room tickets in the MCC Members!

"Approximately 7,500 seats and 1,000 standing spaces will be made available for walk up access on AFL Grand Final Day 2022 on a first-in, first-served basis." MCC

 

[manicmagpie]

Standing Room has not been abolished at the MCG!

The ground holds 100,024 fans which is 95,000 seats and 5,024 standing room spots'

My understanding is the the MCC could sell 10,000 standing room tickets but wont do it as the Shane Warne Stand becomes too crowded.
This will change when the SWS is replaced after the 2026 Comm games when the capicity will increase to between 105,00 to 110,000.

They even sold 1000 standing room tickets in the MCC Members!

"Approximately 7,500 seats and 1,000 standing spaces will be made available for walk up access on AFL Grand Final Day 2022 on a first-in, first-served basis." MCC

Yes, there's limited standing room around the ground, with tickets for specific small areas.

I'm talking about the days when most of the grandstands did not have seats and they just squeezed in as many as they could, hence the 110k-120k crowds of the time.

 

[Underarm]

It begs the question. What combination of teams would get the highest TV ratings?

The traditional answer is Sydney, as they have played in the 5 highest rated Grand Finals, but some of the novelty has worn of with them for neutrals, due to lots of recent success.

I think either Essendon or Carlton (big clubs with no recent success) playing at 7pm versus someone in a close game, but I'm not sure which opponent for either of these two would draw the highest rating.

Perhaps Ess/Carl vs Fremantle. The Dockers with no premiership, or any real success, plenty of neutral interest and goodwill. The two biggest AFL states involved.

A close game between Sydney and Brisbane.

The people in the AFL states watch it regardless. The Northern states will tune in, but out again if it's a blow out.

 

[Walshawk]

Yes, there's limited standing room around the ground, with tickets for specific small areas.

I'm talking about the days when most of the grandstands did not have seats and they just squeezed in as many as they could, hence the 110k-120k crowds of the time.

All of the grandstands have always had seats. If you are talking about the massive crowds around 1968 - 1973 in particular, they would just keep packing them in beyond what we now consider safe - people in the aisles, etc. They may have pulled back a little after that, but until the GSS was built in 1992, you could usually buy standing room tickets on the day from the Salvos who would go around the pubs flogging them off.

 

[dave10]

Those Supercoach numbers are replicated in all surveys. Collingwood and Essendon are a clear one a two and always have been. I'm not debating it. I'm stating an unarguable fact.

Look at it this way:

Essendon outdraw Richmond for average attendance versus EVERY non-Vic side in Melbourne since 2004. Yep all 8 of them.

In that time, Essendon has never won a final, Richmond has won three flags, and Essendon play their home games at Marvel, while Richmond play theirs at the MCG, yet Essendon still outdraw Richmond versus every single non-vic side in Melbourne since 2004.

There has always been a big gap between Essendon (2nd) and Carlton (3rd)

The "return match" between Collingwood and Essendon (not Anzac day) also averages higher crowds than any other "return match" combination between the big four clubs which further cements those two clubs are the clear 1 and 2.

Where have you been? You should contribute more often! Some insightful points. I was trying to find those SuperCoach figures.

 

[weewilly]

All of the grandstands have always had seats. If you are talking about the massive crowds around 1968 - 1973 in particular, they would just keep packing them in beyond what we now consider safe - people in the aisles, etc. They may have pulled back a little after that, but until the GSS was built in 1992, you could usually buy standing room tickets on the day from the Salvos who would go around the pubs flogging them off.

100% correct! And back in those days it was total attendance of ALL people who were in the stadium that went through a turnstile.

It that criteria was used now the "attendance" would be 104,000 - 106.000 when you count in the Police,Security,Media,the performers,the football clubs staff and the people needed to run the MCG and man the food outlets.

 

[Dan26]

Where have you been? You should contribute more often! Some insightful points. I was trying to find those SuperCoach figures.

I've been around here and there. I don't post as much as I used to on the main forums. Life gets in the way unfortunately.

 

[MiguelM]

How many people tried to tune in with 7Plus only to get Border Force and gave up? Channel 7 need to fix the stupid streaming rules so 7 Plus can stream it, what is the difference anyway FFS? Also fix the screen size so you can cast off a mobile or tablet to TV.

Who knows, might get worse as people are pushed to Kayo/Foxtel, after all they pay most of the money for rights.

How do they know your TV is tuned in to the footy?

Also, post lockdowns, there would be many more people at BBQs/gatherings.

I do think 2:30 was too early. 3:20 would be my preference. Not a fan of Twilight at all. Either day or night, not in between.

 

[Dan26]

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[weewilly]

The GF will go to twilight from next season maybe a 4,30 -45 pm starting time and when the next $4.6 Billion Media Deal kicks in it will be a Night GF 7 pm start!


"Who knows, might get worse as people are pushed to Kayo/Foxtel, after all they pay most of the money for rights.

How do they know your TV is tuned in to the footy?"

Foxtel and Kayo know instantly how many are tuned into them via the set top boxes!

FTA is just an educated guess based on a few viewers around the nation.

"OzTAM is the official source of television audience measurement for the five mainland metropolitan markets in Australia – Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth – and nationally for subscription TV.

OzTAM TV ratings are audience estimates that are based on actual viewing behaviour of 5,250 homes in Australian metro cities.
The homes provide a representative sample of the Australian population and when the TV in these homes is switched on, the meter lights up and asks who is watching. Viewers log in and out when they enter or leave the room and the meter gauges all TVs within the home."

 

[Recon_29]

"OzTAM is the official source of television audience measurement for the five mainland metropolitan markets in Australia – Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth – and nationally for subscription TV.

OzTAM TV ratings are audience estimates that are based on actual viewing behaviour of 5,250 homes in Australian metro cities.
The homes provide a representative sample of the Australian population and when the TV in these homes is switched on, the meter lights up and asks who is watching. Viewers log in and out when they enter or leave the room and the meter gauges all TVs within the home."

All this talk of TV ratings and it's all based off 5,250 homes. So it seems they don't take into account gatherings at all. Not sure all the hysteria about ratings is even warranted if that is the case. However, I do think the game will be shifted to twilight and I don't mind the idea now, it has grown on me personally. It is still Saturday afternoon.

 

[The_Wookie]

The GF will go to twilight from next season maybe a 4,30 -45 pm starting time and when the next $4.6 Billion Media Deal kicks in it will be a Night GF 7 pm start!


"Who knows, might get worse as people are pushed to Kayo/Foxtel, after all they pay most of the money for rights.

How do they know your TV is tuned in to the footy?"

Foxtel and Kayo know instantly how many are tuned into them via the set top boxes!

FTA is just an educated guess based on a few viewers around the nation.

"OzTAM is the official source of television audience measurement for the five mainland metropolitan markets in Australia – Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth – and nationally for subscription TV.

OzTAM TV ratings are audience estimates that are based on actual viewing behaviour of 5,250 homes in Australian metro cities.
The homes provide a representative sample of the Australian population and when the TV in these homes is switched on, the meter lights up and asks who is watching. Viewers log in and out when they enter or leave the room and the meter gauges all TVs within the home."

Fox ratings are also based off the oztam survey. Kayo was supposedly going to be included in May.

All this talk of TV ratings and it's all based off 5,250 homes. So it seems they don't take into account gatherings at all. Not sure all the hysteria about ratings is even warranted if that is the case. However, I do think the game will be shifted to twilight and I don't mind the idea now, it has grown on me personally. It is still Saturday afternoon.

Based on over 10,000 homes. Gatherings in these homes count.

 

[Recon_29]

Fox ratings are also based off the oztam survey. Kayo was supposedly going to be included in May.



Based on over 10,000 homes. Gatherings in these homes count.

Intetesting, would be cool to know how they they calculate the gatherings? For example I was at a BBQ with 30-40 people on the weekend with 1 tv source coming from 7plus. That's 30-40 people for 1 of their streaming numbers.

 

[weewilly]

As I said the FTA TV can only be an estimate - using a few thousand meters out of millions of TV sets around the nation that have no way of counting how many people are actually watching each TV screen and then you have all the private BBQs,Pubs (about 7000) and Clubs (about 6400) that would have at least tens of thousands extra watching if not hundreds of thousands around the nation.