Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[bulletproof]

The circuit breaker Collingwood should be looking for is getting Geelong to trade 25 and/or 33 to get back into next year’s second round.

That will enable Geelong to trade next year’s first and that should be the deal.

Geelong has never been afraid to move their own future first down to a weaker club’s future second.

I think this would be fair and doesn’t put Henry through the distraction of the national draft.

 

[Finknottle]

Pick 33 is a fair trade for Esava, but I wouldn’t want to trade him for a good pick then just throw that away for Henry. It’d be a lot of picks and Esava for Henry.

And some of us would prefer Sav to Henry. How many specimens like Ratugolea do you see getting around the AFL? Ollie Henry types are quite common. Why do you think Hinkley and PA are interested? They look at his physical and athletic attributes and think the cost of the experiment is small (given Geelong doesn't rate him) but the upside could be huge.

 

[foxdog50]

I cant see us structurally doing that as we look so much better with blitz around the ball.
This is why i reckon we draft someone like phillips if sav goes.

What draft range is Phillips ment to go?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

And some of us would prefer Sav to Henry. How many specimens like Ratugolea do you see getting around the AFL? Ollie Henry types are quite common. Why do you think Hinkley and PA are interested? They look at his physical and athletic attributes and think the cost of the experiment is small (given Geelong doesn't rate him) but the upside could be huge.

The problem is we don't have a spot on the seniors for sav.

Don't step on the man's career when it's maybe his last shot

 

[year of the cat]

The circuit breaker Collingwood should be looking for is getting Geelong to trade 25 and/or 33 to get back into next year’s second round.

That will enable Geelong to trade next year’s first and that should be the deal.

Geelong has never been afraid to move their own future first down to a weaker club’s future second.

I think this would be fair and doesn’t put Henry through the distraction of the national draft.

Why would we trade our F2 along with half our other picks for 25 only to trade back in for a F2 in order to trade our F1? Doesn’t make sense and I doubt we’d either relent to that extent or even go to that much trouble.

 

[Stokey]

Isn't Wright the guy that did the JOM and Wingard trades.

We should have stuck with offering 38.

 

[bulletproof]

Why would we trade our F2 along with half our other picks for 25 only to trade back in for a F2 in order to trade our F1? Doesn’t make sense and I doubt we’d either relent to that extent or even go to that much trouble.

I think we underestimated Collingwood’s resolve a little. I actually think Geelong are being very unreasonable when it comes to Henry. But I clearly place a higher value on him than Geelong do.

I would have done either of our first round picks straight away. Not 7 but the other two.

I think he is a very promising player.

 

[D BRIDGE]

The circuit breaker Collingwood should be looking for is getting Geelong to trade 25 and/or 33 to get back into next year’s second round.

That will enable Geelong to trade next year’s first and that should be the deal.

Geelong has never been afraid to move their own future first down to a weaker club’s future second.

I think this would be fair and doesn’t put Henry through the distraction of the national draft.

I'd be happy to play the game "chicken" with you.

 

[Stokey]

And some of us would prefer Sav to Henry. How many specimens like Ratugolea do you see getting around the AFL? Ollie Henry types are quite common. Why do you think Hinkley and PA are interested? They look at his physical and athletic attributes and think the cost of the experiment is small (given Geelong doesn't rate him) but the upside could be huge.

Just being a specimen doesn't mean that much. Majak Daw would have been the best player the league has seen if being a specimen was all it took.

 

[foxdog50]

“Take me back I’ve changed I promise I’m much better than when we were together last time”

He actually is a good player... did well for Bulldogs when he played there, especially on Grand Final day

 

[year of the cat]

I think we underestimated Collingwood’s resolve a little. I actually think Geelong are being very unreasonable when it comes to Henry. But I clearly place a higher value on him than Geelong do.

I would have done either of our first round picks straight away. Not 7 but the other two.

I think he is a very promising player.

Fair enough. Hard to know what the thought process is behind it. It appears though that Mackie/Wells don’t value him as highly as others might as you say. Interesting to hear why.

 

[Boxhead_31]

The circuit breaker Collingwood should be looking for is getting Geelong to trade 25 and/or 33 to get back into next year’s second round.

That will enable Geelong to trade next year’s first and that should be the deal.

Geelong has never been afraid to move their own future first down to a weaker club’s future second.

I think this would be fair and doesn’t put Henry through the distraction of the national draft.

Nope, need a Fr2 and Fr4 to be able to trade Fr1

 

[foxdog50]

Correct

So in hindsight, that's why we gave up heap to Brisbane in picks knowing we didn't have any positions to fill....
Plus we will have 2 rookie spots?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So in hindsight, that's why we gave up heap to Brisbane in picks knowing we didn't have any positions to fill....
Plus we will have 2 rookie spots?

I think we should have 3 rookie spots with Zane gone and Close and Atkins upgraded

 

[bulletproof]

Fair enough. Hard to know what the thought process is behind it. It appears though that Mackie/Wells don’t value him as highly as others might as you say. Interesting to hear why.

My gut feel is they think Ollie Dempsey might be better and more versatile player and they don’t feel a forward flanker is a need at the moment.

 

[Boxhead_31]

I think we should have 3 rookie spots with Zane gone and Close and Atkins upgraded

Plus a Cat B rookie spot free with Pauly T being let go

 

[fpm84]

I think we underestimated Collingwood’s resolve a little. I actually think Geelong are being very unreasonable when it comes to Henry. But I clearly place a higher value on him than Geelong do.

I would have done either of our first round picks straight away. Not 7 but the other two.

I think he is a very promising player.

Totally agree with this. Players of Henry’s quality don’t come along every day, let alone the family connection meaning he will be a Cat for life if we get the deal done.

There may be no obvious immediate need for Henry in our 2023 side but it’s highly likely Hawkins and Rohan are both done in the next 24 months and by then Cameron will be 30+. He will play plenty of senior footy and kick plenty of goals for Geelong.

I see Henry as being a more valuable asset than Bruhn and would have traded #18 for Henry early in the trade period.

On top of that if the deal doesn’t get done we’ve given up an enormous amount of picks both now and 2023 for very little.

 

[Finknottle]

Just being a specimen doesn't mean that much. Majak Daw would have been the best player the league has seen if being a specimen was all it took.

Nic Natanui, Majak Daw and Esava Ratugolea. That's what I'm talking about. As rare as hens' teeth. Doesn't guarantee anything but the upside could be huge. If Sav goes to Port and becomes a weapon I'll be tuning in to watch. As some have said, maybe that's would be a good outcome.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Def a chance... Sav can take grabs though.
MM was a spoiling machine.

Mal could kick though.

 

[CatRiot]

P33 for Sav. I'd take that in a heart beat and run for the hills.

I wouldn't care so much if we did that Sav trade and the Bowes trade only, then traded excess picks in this years draft for next. Henry trade is just cherry on top if it works out.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think we underestimated Collingwood’s resolve a little. I actually think Geelong are being very unreasonable when it comes to Henry. But I clearly place a higher value on him than Geelong do.

I would have done either of our first round picks straight away. Not 7 but the other two.

I think he is a very promising player.

I think you're right that Collingwood value him higher than we do.

It's like having a girlfriend leave you for a guy who doesn't love them as much as you do.

But, Ollie wants home and 38 was unreasonable yes, 25 was better but I can see why they're angry. In the end 25 + whatever we get for Sav is the most it can be and more than reasonable

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Furthest I’d go for Henry is 25 + 33 for Henry+ 41.

Effectively it’s:

Henry + 41 for Esava +38 + 48 + 55 + FR2 (32ish) + FR4 (60ish)

Hmmmm. It’s already a lot.

I’d walk away if that isn’t agreed.

Me too thats about as far as id go.
Fyi the fr4 will be later than 60 more 70 and a lot of those later picks this year we werent using anyway so its not as bad as it looks on paper.

The other side of the coin is if we can get henry done for 25 and 58 and get 33 for sav and henry thats a pretty good result all things considered. Better than i would have expected months ago given sav is a fringe player.

 

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[Pure_Ownage]

The circuit breaker Collingwood should be looking for is getting Geelong to trade 25 and/or 33 to get back into next year’s second round.

That will enable Geelong to trade next year’s first and that should be the deal.

Geelong has never been afraid to move their own future first down to a weaker club’s future second.

I think this would be fair and doesn’t put Henry through the distraction of the national draft.

Thats not realistically possible though as coll have already traded their future 2nd. The only way would be if they got a future 2nd for grundy (either melbs or freos) and then sent that back to us (ie future 1st for henry and a 2nd and we keep 25) but i doubt this is likely-geelong didnt go to all this trouble with the brisbane trade kf we were planning to move our future 1st.

The draft route will cause media hype yes but ultimately henry will get to us at 25 and even if he doesnt collingwood will get nothing. 25 is pretty fair and we shouldnt pay overs (ie 25 + 58 or a similar small upgrade should be it) they wilp back down just before the trade deadline and do it for our price if henry and his manager just hold strong.

Hes a good young player and he would be nice to have but hes not a critical list need..we should not overpay for him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What draft range is Phillips ment to go?

As i said to another poster fothergill round medallists traditionally go late ie 4th round to rookie but given the lack of key defenders this year i wouldnt be surprised to see him go anywhere from the 2nd round onwards just depends on one club being prepared to go needs early.