No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[Present Not Past]

If we drop everyone who isn’t a norm smith medal winner then we might have a bit of a problem

Everyone can play like they're the best on ground.
It just takes great effort and commitment to the red, white and black.
Everyone else can **** off.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Would love to know how the playing group is currently feeling.
No doubt a certain contingent absolutely sh*tting bricks.

Good, about time

 

[Dr Spaceman]

If we are going to recycle. I’d rather a 1 year deal on stack.

The potential is worth the crack

Lyon back with a crack at stack

 

[bird_man]

Where do you see Narkle fit?

If he's a small/half forward then I'm taking who we've already got ahead of him. He doesn't have the extreme pace & flukey skills that Stack has.

As an aside, it's gonna be fascinating what roles Ross sees Billings & Gresh playing.

He's always looked to have pretty good pace IMO

I'd say he'd be looking to play that high half forward, mid role more than just a genuine small forward

Stack probably has the most upside but it's a worry that not even Richmond can get his head right

 

[phantom13]

There’s a lot of rhetoric around our list being s**t. I don’t buy it at all. Our list is significantly better than what we are seeing from it, which is why I’m so excited for Lyon to fix what we’ve got. We have so much potential in this current crop, but who is giving their all to make the most of it?

Ross is a much more invested and educated mind when it comes to analysing a list so ill give him all the carriage in the world to do what he does best but ultimately (and the man with the crystal call gringo2011 agrees) the list is better than we saw this year.

Its a sturdy backline that really does its job, a potentially potent and star studded forward line and a workmanlike midfield. It definitely doesnt need a full rebuild but assesment, gameplan and then ongoing and continuous assesment.

Put it this way if Ross was in pre trade week i doubt Cordy would have been the only move.

 

[bird_man]

Ross is a much more invested and educated mind when it comes to analysing a list so ill give him all the carriage in the world to do what he does best but ultimately (and the man with the crystal call gringo2011 agrees) the list is better than we saw this year.

Its a sturdy backline that really does its job, a potentially potent and star studded forward line and a workmanlike midfield. It definitely doesnt need a full rebuild but assesment, gameplan and then ongoing and continuous assesment.

Put it this way if Ross was in pre trade week i doubt Cordy would have been the only move.

Ross Lyon recruited Zac Dawson to two different clubs

Wouldn't be surprised to see him get the best out of Cordy

 

[phantom13]

Ross Lyon recruited Zac Dawson to two different clubs

Wouldn't be surprised to see him get the best out of Cordy

Fair, was more saying i think Ross might have managed to get someone a bit more inspiring.

FWIW If Cordy is playing then i dont think Battle is and i wouldnt rate that at all.

 

[bird_man]

Fair, was more saying i think Ross might have managed to get someone a bit more inspiring.

FWIW If Cordy is playing then i dont think Battle is and i wouldnt rate that at all.

Or Battle plays forward

 

[saintbill]

Blokes are going to need to have a solid tank if they expect to get a game under Lyon.

The likes of McKenzie and Wood are likely to be favourites of Ross. They both work their ass off.

I can see Clark and Higgins types regularly left out of the side.

Maybe under Ross, King will decide to actually move and stop being a statue.

I know for a fact, that King was told to stand shoulder to shoulder with his opponent and try and push off. Crap coaching.

He should be in constant motion using his athleticism. Ross's game plan will demand far more from him aerobically.

 

[Minga]

Amusing that Alison has lasted longer on an AFL list than Poulter - I guess talls get given more time. I wonder how he’ll fit into the new Ross Lyon era, and if a new forwards coach might bring him back into the forward line.

 

[phantom13]

Or Battle plays forward

Maybe, personally not a fan of that, he had a breakout year this year as a backman after being shunted around in different spots for a few years.

Let him play where hes done his best work for me.

 

[sauce_head]

Blokes are going to need to have a solid tank if they expect to get a game under Lyon.

The likes of McKenzie and Wood are likely to be favourites of Ross. They both work their ass off.

I can see Clark and Higgins types regularly left out of the side.

Maybe under Ross, King will decide to actually move and stop being a statue.

I know for a fact, that King was told to stand shoulder to shoulder with his opponent and try and push off. Crap coaching.

He should be in constant motion using his athleticism. Ross's game plan will demand far more from him aerobically.

If that is a fact re King, then that is indeed disappointing coaching.

 

[stavro#4]

Fair, was more saying i think Ross might have managed to get someone a bit more inspiring.

FWIW If Cordy is playing then i dont think Battle is and i wouldnt rate that at all.

Or battle plays forward.

Look at the Freo grand final line up.

Agile is the best word to describe its set up.

Horribly shit team outside of 5-6 guns

Mayne and Fyfe played the agile talls.

(Membrey and Battle)

Pav was the power forward (king)

2 elite smalls forwards Ballantyne and Walters

(Higgins and ??? (Butler?))

And a defensive forward Sutcliffe

(No clue who could do it for us)

He plays 2 rucks - so we are in trouble here already.

Back 6 is 3 agile talls. 2 who can intercept. 1 lock down

McPharlin Johnson and Dawson

Howard Cordy(?) and Wilkie

Duffield and Pearce as running backs.

Sinclair and Coffield.

Spurr from Memory was a shut down small

Paton

Midfield he ran 2 taggers Crowley and De Boer

We have Windhager and Ross

Defensive winger Mzungu

Dmac for us.


Mundy Hill Barlow became the primary movers

Steele crouch and Gresham

Lachie Neale was a sub.

We still have Hill Billings Clark Owens Jones NWM Webster Wood Sharman.

We are lacking in the ruck department.

Nowhere near as much established stars

Really lacking gun intercept marks.

Positives: more depth. Lots of potential

 

[phantom13]

Or battle plays forward.

Look at the Freo grand final line up.

Agile is the best word to describe its set up.

Horribly s**t team outside of 5-6 guns

Mayne and Fyfe played the agile talls.

(Membrey and Battle)

Pav was the power forward (king)

2 elite smalls forwards Ballantyne and Walters

(Higgins and ??? (Butler?))

And a defensive forward Sutcliffe

(No clue who could do it for us)

He plays 2 rucks - so we are in trouble here already.

Back 6 is 3 agile talls. 2 who can intercept. 1 lock down

McPharlin Johnson and Dawson

Howard Cordy(?) and Wilkie

Duffield and Pearce as running backs.

Sinclair and Coffield.

Spurr from Memory was a shut down small

Paton

Midfield he ran 2 taggers Crowley and De Boer

We have Windhager and Ross

Defensive winger Mzungu

Dmac for us.


Mundy Hill Barlow became the primary movers

Steele crouch and Gresham

Lachie Neale was a sub.

We still have Hill Billings Clark Owens Jones NWM Webster Wood Sharman.

We are lacking in the ruck department.

Nowhere near as much established stars

Really lacking gun intercept marks.

Positives: more depth. Lots of potential

Weve had the discussion about playing the 2015 footy, lets not do it again.

Ross is gonna do what Ross is gonna do, hes forgotten more about footy than you or i will ever know. Personally id like to give Battle some stability following his best ever year, Ross might not, hes the coach its his call.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Players who had zero or minimal games 2008.

Khan Haratuku , Luke Miles

Luke Miles

Age

39

Ht

186cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

5.5

2star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.5

2star

No current season stats available

D

16.5

4star

K

5.5

3star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.5

3star

, Jayden Attard

Jayden Attard

Age

40

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.4

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

4.2

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.2

5star

( ACL ), Glen Chivers, Luke Van Rheenan , Eljay Connors, Jack Steven

9

Jack Steven

Age

36

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

, Brad Howard

Brad Howard

Age

38

Ht

180cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

3.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

1.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

3.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

1.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

, Michael Rix

Michael Rix

Age

45

Ht

198cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.8

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

4.3

3star

HO

11.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.2

2star

K

2.2

1star

HB

5.0

4star

HO

17.0

5star

(1), Ben McEvoy

7

Ben Mcevoy

Age

36

Ht

200cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

4.7

2star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

8.5

2star

K

3.9

1star

HB

4.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.8

3star

G

0.4

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

(1). Matthew Ferguson

Matthew Ferguson

Age

41

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.8

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

(2), Baker ( Suspension, Knee Injury, Shoulder surgery ) (2). Jarryd Allen

Jarryd Allen

Age

38

Ht

193cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.8

1star

K

2.8

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.3

4star

( Career ending injury 4), Matt Maguire ( Stress fractures 4) , Gehrig (Hand Injuries , 5) X Clarke ( injury 8) Birss ( irrational hatred of coach 8 ). All others played more than that.

St Kilda Playing List for 2008 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

2009:
zero games to: Sam McGarry, Ross Tungatalum, Gaertner, McGrath, Simpkin, Haratuku , Miles, Paul Cahill, Alistair Smith

Alistair Smith

Age

35

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.7

3star

K

8.7

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

, Connors, Allen, Maguire, Howard, Lynch, Stanley, Heyne, L Fisher, X Clarke.
1 game to Jack Steven

9

Jack Steven

Age

36

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

, C Begley.
3 games to David Armitage

David Armitage

Age

37

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.0

5star

.

St Kilda Playing List for 2009 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[bird_man]

Maybe, personally not a fan of that, he had a breakout year this year as a backman after being shunted around in different spots for a few years.

Let him play where hes done his best work for me.

I'm not too fussed as long as he doesn't end up on the wing

He was definitely good playing in defence but is more of a 3rd tall than a key defender. Even Wilkie was playing on the key forwards ahead of Battle

I think if Cordy could play a Dawson role if frees up Wilkie as the 3rd tall

There's no doubting King needs another forward to help him out. Hopefully that's Sharman but he still needs to pit on some beef

 

[Munga]

Players who had zero or minimal games 2008.

Khan Haratuku , Luke Miles , Jayden Attard ( ACL ), Glen Chivers, Luke Van Rheenan , Eljay Connors, Jack Steven, Brad Howard, Michael Rix (1), Ben McEvoy (1). Matthew Ferguson(2), Baker ( Suspension, Knee Injury, Shoulder surgery ) (2). Jarryd Allen ( Career ending injury 4), Matt Maguire ( Stress fractures 4) , Gehrig (Hand Injuries , 5) X Clarke ( injury 8) Birss ( irrational hatred of coach 8 ). All others played more than that.

St Kilda Playing List for 2008 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

2009:
zero games to: Sam McGarry, Ross Tungatalum, Gaertner, McGrath, Simpkin, Haratuku , Miles, Paul Cahill, Alistair Smith, Connors, Allen, Maguire, Howard, Lynch, Stanley, Heyne, L Fisher, X Clarke.
1 game to Jack Steven, C Begley.
3 games to David Armitage.

St Kilda Playing List for 2009 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[Sully111]

Ive said it before. Battle has gun key forward written all over him.

 

[phantom13]

I'm not too fussed as long as he doesn't end up on the wing

He was definitely good playing in defence but is more of a 3rd tall than a key defender. Even Wilkie was playing on the key forwards ahead of Battle

I think if Cordy could play a Dawson role if frees up Wilkie as the 3rd tall

There's no doubting King needs another forward to help him out. Hopefully that's Sharman but he still needs to pit on some beef

He was pretty good as the first key defender when Howard went down and i think the 3rd key defender thing is a bit of a myth personally. Every defence plays as a system now, usually only one specific one out man on man key defender and ours is Howard.

Anyway, i already said if Ross moves him thats Ross' call, he is (or will likely be in charge) and he knows more about the caper than we do.

 

[UnfinishedBusiness]

My other half has already agreed the hypothetical first born son will be named Jack as a tribute to the saints

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Scoops thinks announcement is ‘imminent’ let’s absolutely go!

When am I booking in 23’ premiers & champions tattoo?

 

[Drop Kick]

Ive said it before. Battle has gun key forward written all over him.

He's been tried as a forward multiple times, kept going where the ball ain't, isn't that why they tried him in other positions and the
backline was where he showed the most promise.

 

[John2010362340]

Found it. Hit play.

Whateley - Full Show (18.10.22)

Adam Gilchrist joined us off the top, Scott Greaves spoke Scottish cricket, we took your calls, had Sarah Olle to talk AFLW, Gareth Hall joined us as well as Pat Cummins and Brad Blanks, and much more.

player.whooshkaa.com

1:04:30 in

Thats Joe Riewoldt.. He was unreal..

 

[Sully111]

He's been tried as a forward multiple times, kept going where the ball ain't, isn't that why they tried him in other positions and the
backline was where he showed the most promise.

Yes

But our forward line was a shambles mostly

It's time for a fresh look at most things. I believe in a well coached side he can be a very good key forward.

 

[George]

2009:
zero games to: Sam McGarry, Ross Tungatalum, Gaertner, McGrath, Simpkin, Haratuku , Miles, Paul Cahill, Alistair Smith, Connors, Allen, Maguire, Howard, Lynch, Stanley, Heyne, L Fisher, X Clarke.
1 game to Jack Steven, C Begley.
3 games to David Armitage.

St Kilda Playing List for 2009 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Sam was a terrific wingman/rebounding defender, was part of our school footy team that won the state title in 2008 and he played a similar position when we were together at the Dragons. It's funny how it works out, he wasn't even the best player in our school side, and the guy that was played Dragons too but was never drafted.

I think a lot of it comes down to luck, in terms of being drafted but also getting drafted to the "right" team. Sam would've played senior footy for a side down the bottom I'm sure of it. But a late pick and behind guys like Fisher Gwilt Gilbert it was near on impossible to see how he made it.

There would be players like him that come and go every year and sometimes are just unlucky. For pick 80 or whatever he was it was tough to see him break through to a side pushing for a GF. Ross didn't give him or any of the young kids much of a chance to be honest. Fair enough we were playing for a GF and I wouldn't take it back, but just wish there was some future planning. Hope that's the case this time around.