VFL 2023 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 1 - 22 (Merged threads)

[Mondyboy]

I insist on being called delusional..........

Ha. Ha.


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[Jimmae]

Yet, the club improved last year and currently undefeated after you claiming before the Cats game that our line-up would fail

I didn't expect the Cats to be struggling for match fitness that badly, that's my mistake. I don't expect us to see many games like that for the remainder of the year. Our effort and ability needs to lift, and easy way to do that is to bed more capable and talented players for roles that make sense for them.

I suggest you remain with guessing what our players are eating, rather than trying to school anyone on this site what you think the club should be doing

Your bias on certain players is truly pathetic

What the actual **** are these series of statements. How are they even interrelated to one another to come to that conclusion. My take on diet is one that actually part of a larger conversation in sports nutrition/dietetics, but it's something that a professional football club should be looking more into.

Melbourne did so in 2014, figured out a program, and haven't really looked back. The spearheads behind that were Dave Mission and Dr Zeeshan Arain... where's that IP in our football club? Peter Bruckner was signed on as a consultant in 2019 for them, is he still kicking?

You don't have answers for this, and I'm not expecting them from you, so I'm done here.

 

[Arr0w]

I didn't expect the Cats to be struggling for match fitness that badly, that's my mistake. I don't expect us to see many games like that for the remainder of the year. Our effort and ability needs to lift, and easy way to do that is to bed more capable and talented players for roles that make sense for them.

Jim, you are bordering on being a pessimist, not sure where it has come from. Talking us down while making allowances for the Cats is just another example

What the actual * are these series of statements. How are they even interrelated to one another to come to that conclusion. My take on diet is one that actually part of a larger conversation in sports nutrition/dietetics, but it's something that professional football club should be looking more into.

Melbourne did so in 2014, figured out a program, and haven't really looked back. The spearheads behind that were Dave Mission and Dr Zeeshan Arain... where's that IP in our football club?

How do you know what is going into a player's mouth, how do you know we aren't ticking all the boxes in this area?

It's what we see is on field, no one has a clue as to what's in a players body and mind, just by looking at their kicking action

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Aph!
A brawl has broken out in the VFL thread of all places.

 

[Jimmae]

Yes. I know the game. And there are multiple examples where he’s looked lost when playing forward. In juniors he mostly played as a defender. Which shows.

But - Jimmae, arguing with you is a mug’s game. I can’t be bothered being called delusional.


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He was playing as the spare defender prior to 2019, and then made a name for himself because he earmarked time for - and performed in - the midfield and could push forward. That's what shot him into top 5 calculations before his ACL injury.

 

[Arr0w]

Clakson must be brainless, imagine playing Sheezel at HB, when he was a top 3 pick as a mid/forward

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Move it along thanks

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Didn't watch the game, but I hardly think there is grounds for Chicken Little/The Sky is Falling meltdowns after that performance.


The VFL/Ressies is more of a development league than anything. I just hope Cunners got through the game unscathed and no injuries.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Move it along thanks

Melting over the 2s hope the 1's get up if they don't Netflix tonight won't be coming anywhere near this site.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Didn't watch the game, but I hardly think there is grounds for Chicken Little/The Sky is Falling meltdowns after that performance.


The VFL/Ressies is more of a development league than anything. I just hope Cunners got through the game unscathed and no injuries.

He did, he does have to make it through the slippery floor of the showers, over extending as he towels off, carrying/picking up his bag & navigating the tall steps on the bus - but i reckon he’ll make it

 

[Jimmae]

Didn't watch the game, but I hardly think there is grounds for Chicken Little/The Sky is Falling meltdowns after that performance.


The VFL/Ressies is more of a development league than anything. I just hope Cunners got through the game unscathed and no injuries.

The only bird related reference going on here is your pigeon holing of others' comments. People here are upset with the ultra-defensive game style, and how players in the VFL are being developed presently.

These are simple personnel changes that can be done, and coaches should be highly capable of training players on the basics of making these changes. We're so focused on maintaining structure, instead of developing skills and teaching players how to read moments in the game.

Structure is ****ing basic, if they're having trouble communicating that and the next layer to that, they shouldn't be coaching.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Watched a bit of the first half.

I've seen better disposal level watching U14 local footy.

 

[Aphrodite]

Aph!
A brawl has broken out in the VFL thread of all places.

So what’s new

 

[Blues4lyfe]

I feel like im watching an under 16s footy match

 

[Foucault1989]

Read through the previous arguments about Kemp

Whatever we do with Kemp we need to do something. He is too talented to be in the VFL. We need to find a way to get him into our AFL side. I've long thought he would be okay on a wing. He is tall, mobile and has a bit of dash. Also a beautiful long kick. Either that or as an inside mid. I think he needs to get into a game near the contest or running to space. I can see how at AFL level he may struggle to get the ball as a forward.

 

[The Bighouse]

Read through the previous arguments about Kemp

Whatever we do with Kemp we need to do something. He is too talented to be in the VFL. We need to find a way to get him into our AFL side. I've long thought he would be okay on a wing. He is tall, mobile and has a bit of dash. Also a beautiful long kick. Either that or as an inside mid. I think he needs to get into a game near the contest or running to space. I can see how at AFL level he may struggle to get the ball as a forward.

Agree, have thought the same re: wing position probably best suited. Can drift back to defend and forward.
Just needed to be conditioned for the running.
Though it appears we’ve gone a different route with our next wingers.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Read through the previous arguments about Kemp

Whatever we do with Kemp we need to do something. He is too talented to be in the VFL. We need to find a way to get him into our AFL side. I've long thought he would be okay on a wing. He is tall, mobile and has a bit of dash. Also a beautiful long kick. Either that or as an inside mid. I think he needs to get into a game near the contest or running to space. I can see how at AFL level he may struggle to get the ball as a forward.

Wouldn't he make a decent sub? He's a bit of an everywhere player who hasn't found his groove. Let him have that role where if someone goes down, he plugs the gap. Hopefully in the process we find the area that is best fit and use him there permanently.

 

[Foucault1989]

Agree, have thought the same re: wing position probably best suited. Can drift back to defend and forward.
Just needed to be conditioned for the running.
Though it appears we’ve gone a different route with our next wingers.

True but besides Hollands and Acres (who could be injured), we have O Brien and Cottrell. More chance of getting a spot there rather than third tall (forward or back) or midfielder

 

[Foucault1989]

Wouldn't he make a decent sub? He's a bit of an everywhere player who hasn't found his groove. Let him have that role where if someone goes down, he plugs the gap. Hopefully in the process we find the area that is best fit and use him there permanently.

Yeah good call.

 

[ray8182]

Agree, have thought the same re: wing position probably best suited. Can drift back to defend and forward.
Just needed to be conditioned for the running.
Though it appears we’ve gone a different route with our next wingers.

Hollands, acres, O’Brien and cottrell are elite runners.

Kemp isn’t an elite runner as far as l know. I don’t think he can play wing because of this. He may not even be able to play any midfield position purely because he doesn’t have the tank for it.

When l first saw kemp play what l saw was a guy who moves and makes decisions like a defender.


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[Salt Lake Cities]

Did we get any injuries??

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Did we get any injuries??

In this thread? Sounds like it.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

looking at kemps size and physical attributes he probably should be taking cowan spot as Mitch can play hybrid also .. this is a damning statement for someone who has been in the system this long -- there are reasons why Cowan was promoted ahead of kemp and plowman that only those inside the club would know .. maybe they should give him runs on the ball just to keep up his appetite for the game but if he doesn't get to break into our starting 22 I don't see him hanging around next year and he will be a good acquisition for someone for a fourth rounder

 

[Fevolution!]

Read through the previous arguments about Kemp

Whatever we do with Kemp we need to do something. He is too talented to be in the VFL. We need to find a way to get him into our AFL side. I've long thought he would be okay on a wing. He is tall, mobile and has a bit of dash. Also a beautiful long kick. Either that or as an inside mid. I think he needs to get into a game near the contest or running to space. I can see how at AFL level he may struggle to get the ball as a forward.

We are so far past trying to fit previous early draft picks into the AFL 22 in positions that they can’t play.
He’s no where near a spot in the midfield or wing. Would be at least 8 blokes in front of him.
It’s defender or bust.

 

[Foucault1989]

We are so far past trying to fit previous early draft picks into the AFL 22 in positions that they can’t play.
He’s no where near a spot in the midfield or wing. Would be at least 8 blokes in front of him.
It’s defender or bust.

Could you name 8 players that might be ahead of him on a wing that would actually play wing? I.e don't say Walsh or Cerra as they play as mids.

Why not try him in that role in the VFL? Isn't that player development? You don't just pigeon hole a player in a position that we have surplus of and watch his career at the club waste away.

Look at Richmond with Dan Rioli. Dropped him to the VFL and developed him as a defender. Liam Jones was going no where as a forward. Threw him back and look at the result. He's played an extra 5 - 6 seasons when he looked done.

As it stands, pending they are all fully fit, Kemp is behind Marchbank and McGovern for that third defender role . I wouldn't even be surprised if Plowman was picked ahead of him if McGovern went down.

So I ask you again, what's the harm in trying him in a different role we might need in the VFL? Hollands might not be able to get through a full season and I'm not sold on O Brien as the next best option.

If we don't try something, we'll be watching him running around for another club next year. Too talented to let go