Review Round 3, 2023 - Bulldogs vs. Brisbane Lions

[Nathan Barley]

Or we can ask the umps to help get him back in form like they did with JUH

 

[Tom14]

Don't get me wrong, I'd drop Hipwood this week but that video and in general the Joe and Kingy talk is just reactionary rubbish.

Champion data fed Kingy the stat that Hipwood is their lowest rated 100 game player 2 weeks ago, so he'll be banging on about it for another few weeks until he gets a new drop of talking points.

 

[Dalions]

Champion data fed Kingy the stat that Hipwood is their lowest rated 100 game player 2 weeks ago, so he'll be banging on about it for another few weeks until he gets a new drop of talking points.

Or until he kicks 5or 6 in a game.
And then he’ll be talking him up.

 

[Tom14]

2 examples? These videos are bloody pointless

First one looked reasonable drawing his opponent away but slow movement meant we couldn't capitalise. Second looked a bit worse he perhaps should've realised his role then was to crash a pack and set it up for the smalls

Wonder what it would look like if they analysed his finals game against Melbourne last year

Having read the article now I think the bit I'm most offended by is their commetns on the defence. To me the problem on Thursday was the total absence of dare and risk in ball movement, and our players were overly concerned with helping out in team defence and then were unwilling or unable to run hard in attack, not that Joyce and Payne were being beaten by their forwards.

Joyce and Payne have been fine enough from a defensive point of view, but they present big issues in terms of their ball use right now. I don't mean in terms of making mistakes (although they have, but so have others), but in terms of speed of decision-making and willingness to bite off difficult kicks. Too often we ended up with one of them with the ball having to make the call to quickly kick in board to the corridor or switch, and they don't have the skill or the willingness to do it consistently. We needed to get better ball users ready to take a quick handball from them more often.

After ranking 1st for scoring from chains started in D50 last year we are now bottom (only 3 rounds so a fair bit to play out, but not a good starting spot). We have to find a way to transition the ball more rapidly whilst still continuing to correct our defensive system and helping out the back 6.

 

[Dalions]

Having read the article now I think the bit I'm most offended by is their commetns on the defence. To me the problem on Thursday was the total absence of dare and risk in ball movement, and our players were overly concerned with helping out in team defence and then were unwilling or unable to run hard in attack, not that Joyce and Payne were being beaten by their forwards.

Joyce and Payne have been fine enough from a defensive point of view, but they present big issues in terms of their ball use right now. I don't mean in terms of making mistakes (although they have, but so have others), but in terms of speed of decision-making and willingness to bite off difficult kicks. Too often we ended up with one of them with the ball having to make the call to quickly kick in board to the corridor or switch, and they don't have the skill or the willingness to do it consistently. We needed to get better ball users ready to take a quick handball from them more often.

After ranking 1st for scoring from chains started in D50 last year we are now bottom (only 3 rounds so a fair bit to play out, but not a good starting spot). We have to find a way to transition the ball more rapidly whilst still continuing to correct our defensive system and helping out the back 6.

We have too many players run forward of the ball in those situations leaving no one left to run from behind.

 

[Tom14]

We have too many players run forward of the ball in those situations leaving no one left to run from behind.

I agree normally but that was not the problem Thursday night. There was a lack of willigness to run forward or progress the ball forward with speed - defensive running from the mids and backs was actually ok for the most part.

 

[Gadzorks]

Who is/was more enigmatic Joe Daniher or Jared Brennan?

Don't know about that, but I'd prefer to watch Brennan.

Those go go gadget arms and Gumby impersonations were awesome to watch.

 

[dlanod]

Don't know about that, but I'd prefer to watch Brennan.

Those go go gadget arms and Gumby impersonations were awesome to watch.

90% of my all time highlights from watching the Lions are Jared.

 

[M Malice]

I agree normally but that was not the problem Thursday night. There was a lack of willigness to run forward or progress the ball forward with speed - defensive running from the mids and backs was actually ok for the most part.

That is a huge worry, although still a small sample size the good sides this season are playing gut running, quick play on, running past receiving handballs, running in waves footy.

 

[M Malice]

Don't know about that, but I'd prefer to watch Brennan.

Those go go gadget arms and Gumby impersonations were awesome to watch.

90% of my all time highlights from watching the Lions are Jared.

After his first game I thought we had a hall of famer, 5x AA on our hands.

 

[Gadzorks]

Vid in this link shows the segment showing how Hippy is constantly in no mans land.

‘You’re getting it wrong’: Lions’ big dilemma exposed amid ‘next to useless’ claims

‘You’re getting it wrong’: Lions’ big dilemma exposed amid ‘next to useless’ claims

www.foxsports.com.au

Ouch.

You can't coach heart and Eric (plus other stars) isn't playing with heart.

Reset expectations - go to the gabba, have a hoot watching my team and don't watch the scoreboard. Don't watch away games.

Happy footy.

 

[Gadzorks]

90% of my all time highlights from watching the Lions are Jared.

Rhan Hooper still makes me smile. He could run.

 

[KissKiss]

Some thoughts on our season so far. I'm a glass half full person so work with me here.

1st game. Port & Hinkley getting smashed in the media. They got them self primed to smash us. Just like Dad said in his interview.

2nd game. Lions smashed in the media and playing at home. Hold big grudges against Melbourne. Lot of talent in our team. We win but it is a hard physical game early in the season leaving the boys sore.

3rd game. Doggies & Bevo smashed in the media. They got them self primed to smash us and we are still sore from last weeks game. Coupled with a changing game plan, new players still syncing and we are off the mark and lose by a couple of goals away.

Pies game coming up. Lions switched on. Game on. Not sure we will win but confident we will have a go. I don't think our season is finished or a disaster yet.

I just worry that it keeps the same pattern going. We have another up game at home so everyone goes see looks it fine. Thats how nothing changes and the problems keep getting ignored

 

[martinson]

The thing with Eric is that he's low on confidence and that seems to have sapped his energy to run and contest, and particularly defend where necessary.

He's just a liability at present.

 

[Viceregal]

That is a huge worry, although still a small sample size the good sides this season are playing gut running, quick play on, running past receiving handballs, running in waves footy.

Not a worry at all - I have seen us do that at least once this year!

 

[Dalions]

I just worry that it keeps the same pattern going. We have another up game at home so everyone goes see looks it fine. Thats how nothing changes and the problems keep getting ignored

So you don’t want them to have a good game and win at home?
It’s generally not what we do when we are at home it’s what happens when we are away that needs fixing.
2 away games after this one to get things back on track.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Yeah, don't necessarily take anything Kingy et al say as gospel. Their MO is: pick a narrative; cherry pick footage that fits that narrative; cherry pick obscure stats to back them up; bang on about it for weeks until player/coach/team turns form around and then stfu.

 

[twhowler]

Ouch.

You can't coach heart and Eric (plus other stars) isn't playing with heart.

Reset expectations - go to the gabba, have a hoot watching my team and don't watch the scoreboard. Don't watch away games.

Happy footy.

I think by far the most damning thing is that through the entire footage never ONCE does he get out of a job. Whatever he was supposed to be doing - presenting, being a dummy, crumbing - never did he run.

I really wish both our big key forwards would get on the lead more. It is so hard to spoil 200cm players legally when the ball is kicked to them well. Hipwood kicked multiple goals on the lead in the first two finals games. Against Richmond they kept arm-chopping him because he's too bloody tall.

 

[martinson]

I think by far the most damning thing is that through the entire footage never ONCE does he get out of a job. Whatever he was supposed to be doing - presenting, being a dummy, crumbing - never did he run.

I really wish both our big key forwards would get on the lead more. It is so hard to spoil 200cm players legally when the ball is kicked to them well. Hipwood kicked multiple goals on the lead in the first two finals games. Against Richmond they kept arm-chopping him because he's too bloody tall.

Totally agree. With all the mumbo jumbo about Kingy cherry picking and people describing the intricacies of forward entries and what everyone should be doing the most obvious thing that stood out was that he barely moved, tried to go with his man or create another option. . Just wandered around.

 

[LongLion]

Expecting a big game from Hippy on Thursday

 

[M Malice]

Just watched the Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

29

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

Youi gamechanger highlights on lions.com, gee he looked really back to his best, was that the case or was it selective editing?

BTW who was on JUH for most of the night?

 

[On the quiet]

Just watched the Harris Andrews Youi gamechanger highlights on lions.com, gee he looked really back to his best, was that the case or was it selective editing?

BTW who was on JUH for most of the night?

Joyce mostly on JUH. Mind you one or two soft penalties handed out to JUH, including one committed by Harris.

Harris had a good matchup with distinct height advantage and he was able to peel off and intercept, which is his strength.

 

[Viceregal]

I think by far the most damning thing is that through the entire footage never ONCE does he get out of a job. Whatever he was supposed to be doing - presenting, being a dummy, crumbing - never did he run.

Totally agree. With all the mumbo jumbo about Kingy cherry picking and people describing the intricacies of forward entries and what everyone should be doing the most obvious thing that stood out was that he barely moved, tried to go with his man or create another option. . Just wandered around.

I noticed him not moving all that fast then I realised that he was moving at the same pace as his opponent.

My issue wasn't that he wasn't moving fast, it was that he was just following the other guy around when it is supposed to be the other guys job to follow Eric around. If he changed direction and went into space maybe the other guy would have to pay more attention to him and so not be available to crumb etc.

Eric, by his actions, needs to demand more respect (or enjoy the goal-fruits of such respect not being paid) ... can you imagine how much fun Charlie would have if his opponent was jogging off into the distance in front of him!

 

[Tom14]

Yeah, don't necessarily take anything Kingy et al say as gospel. Their MO is: pick a narrative; cherry pick footage that fits that narrative; cherry pick obscure stats to back them up; bang on about it for weeks until player/coach/team turns form around and then stfu.

The question I have for Kingy and Joey and the fox footy analysis crew is - What is your brand? What do you stand for? Who among you is going to stand up and say 'Hey boys, I've got a fresh set of takes from Champion Data, come with me!'

On a side note, its very funny that Kingy has repeatedly been passed over for On the Couch for years with relative newcomers getting the gig.

 

[martinson]

The question I have for Kingy and Joey and the fox footy analysis crew is - What is your brand? What do you stand for? Who among you is going to stand up and say 'Hey boys, I've got a fresh set of takes from Champion Data, come with me!'

On a side note, its very funny that Kingy has repeatedly been passed over for On the Couch for years with relative newcomers getting the gig.

Most of these guys try to bamboozle everyone with data and supposed in depth analysis to give the impression they have greater insights than everyone else out there.

The issue with Kingy is that he's much like he was as a player. Just plain annoying.