Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[Blue1980]

You cant have any organisational development changing leadership positions every two years and not being able to handle setbacks, learn from them , and move forward - people have to learn to embrace error as part of building to success...

When Cook said the world doesn't come to an end if the team doesn't make finals- he was speaking the truth from a perspective of experience and maturity.

he probably knows as does Voss and anyone else with a brain - that the list is unbalanced, unfinished and has a lot of holes....

until that is sorted expectations have to be commensurate with ability.

The talking down expectations began very early, which makes me think the club internally knows more than they are letting on in regards to players carrying injuries, being underdone with lack of pre seasons etc in which they knew things would get worse as far back as around the time of the St Kilda loss.

If the above is true with injury hit players we are carrying and underdone guys on top of that, that would explain this ultra defensive game plan, as the coaches think we’d be destroyed if we tried a more free flowing style.

It’s the only rationale I can come up with. Either that or Voss is a complete idiot for persisting with it all year.

 

[WeninRome]

We can’t sack Voss. This player power culture can’t continue.

Bin the troublemakers and get Voss some better support to help with his weaknesses.

Hardwick was a dead man walking at one stage.

 

[Bluebager]

We can’t sack Voss. This player power culture can’t continue.

Bin the troublemakers and get Voss some better support to help with his weaknesses.

Hardwick was a dead man walking at one stage.

have you watched this movie Before? not every fairy tale has a silver lining!!

 

[katmanblue]

Teague would have done a lot of the groundwork/recruitment IMO.

I think we got caught up in the whole “destination“ club bullshit. (Not a term you hear much anymore).

Overpaid in draft capital and coin.

jd2010 i agree, In hindsight it was the moment the list strategy died.

At that stage we had zero interest from any decent players and were coming off a two win season as well as only paying 95% of salary cap.

How were we meant to get anyone through the door without overpaying?

How were we meant to get to the cap floor?

It's easy to say we overpaid in hindsight.

A fwd line of H Charlie Cuningham Fisher Gov looked quite juicy on paper. If that came off, then we aren't having this conversation.


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[HarryFlashman]

many other hodl your view- did you take a poll? Why nto start one that way we can have a record of who is who in this zoo...

Dude can u please proof read just a little, would like to understand what you’re trying to say, thank u

 

[kreuze_missile]

Dimma.

 

[katmanblue]

Hawks of all teams came back and nearly beat us in one of these early 2022 wins. Voss really had no answer for the change in momentum. We were very lucky to win.

There were other similar games where we scraped in wins.

It’s so clear Voss can’t coach.

If we had a decent coach we would have easily made finals in 2022.

And that's after playing a perfect quarter of football.

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[JustaBattler]

The talking down expectations began very early, which makes me think the club internally knows more than they are letting on in regards to players carrying injuries, being underdone with lack of pre seasons etc in which they knew things would get worse as far back as around the time of the St Kilda loss.

If the above is true with injury hit players we are carrying and underdone guys on top of that, that would explain this ultra defensive game plan, as the coaches think we’d be destroyed if we tried a more free flowing style.

It’s the only rationale I can come up with. Either that or Voss is a complete idiot for persisting with it all year.

Maybe it is the only rationale that makes sense....the slow play isnt the game plan...never was no one has slow play as a game plan...makes no sense.

Poor execution is to be expected from too many players- but when you get better players doing it - I know they are NQR.

Cook and Voss are not dumb campaigners - much as people on here want to think so.

and our list is not nearly as good as people think either.

It was the consensus at the start of the year that improvement had to come from teh bottom 6-10 players - well where are they and where is it?

and even with all that - 3 goals a game separates us from top8 - the ladder says more about the players than the coach or his game plan maybe that reality is too hard to stomach for some- but that is the reality.

 

[Del9Sep24]

We can’t sack Voss. This player power culture can’t continue.

Bin the troublemakers and get Voss some better support to help with his weaknesses.

Hardwick was a dead man walking at one stage.

Hardwick was on an upward trajectory year on year from year 1.

Voss is straight down with 2 clubs. Check the numbers.

There is a stupid amount of evidence now to say he is not even an average head coach.

The club needs to use their brain unlike when they hired him and end this charade immediately.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Maybe it is the only rationale that makes sense....the slow play isnt the game plan...never was no one has slow play as a game plan...makes no sense.

Poor execution is to be expected from too many players- but when you get better players doing it - I know they are NQR.

Cook and Voss are not dumb campaigners - much as people on here want to think so.

and our list is not nearly as good as people think either.

It was the consensus at the start of the year that improvement had to come from teh bottom 6-10 players - well where are they and where is it?

and even with all that - 3 goals a game separates us from top8 - the ladder says more about the players than the coach or his game plan maybe that reality is too hard to stomach for some- but that is the reality.

Nice try trying to lump Cook with Voss.

One a proven successful campaigner in his role, the other, well.....the other looking like he hasn't improved much since his first senior coaching gig.

3 goals a game, what does that even mean?

We've just lost 7 of our last 8 games.

 

[Limestone]

have you watched this movie Before? not every fairy tale has a silver lining!!

I think I’ve seen this film before…
and I didn’t like the ending…

 

[Beer n Skittles]

The talking down expectations began very early, which makes me think the club internally knows more than they are letting on in regards to players carrying injuries, being underdone with lack of pre seasons etc in which they knew things would get worse as far back as around the time of the St Kilda loss.

If the above is true with injury hit players we are carrying and underdone guys on top of that, that would explain this ultra defensive game plan, as the coaches think we’d be destroyed if we tried a more free flowing style.

It’s the only rationale I can come up with. Either that or Voss is a complete idiot for persisting with it all year.

We’re not choosing to play ultra defensive games, the opposition are.

Fans are right - if we could play free flowing footy Charlie and Harry would kick a bag of goals each and we’d win most games. If it’s slow and ultra defensive we can barely score. So teams want to make games against Carlton slow and ultra defensive.

The team doesn’t have the foot skills to combat opposition flooding, and we’re not winning clean centre clearances to get easy goals in before flooding can happen.

 

[Azzurro]

Hardwick was on an upward trajectory year on year from year 1.

Voss is straight down with 2 clubs. Check the numbers.

There is a stupid amount of evidence now to say he is not even an average head coach.

The club needs to use their brain unlike when they hired him and end this charade immediately.

Wrong. So wrong.

Hardwick missed finals years 1, 2, 3. Lost elimination final in each of years 4, 5, 6. Missed finals completely in year 7 and was nearly sacked. Premiership year 8 etc.

Unrealistic expectations continue to be the problem. This list is utterly unproven. A team of champions (up for debate but certainly we have stars on every line), but nowhere near a champion team. Yet.

 

[WeninRome]

Hardwick was on an upward trajectory year on year from year 1.

Voss is straight down with 2 clubs. Check the numbers.

There is a stupid amount of evidence now to say he is not even an average head coach.

The club needs to use their brain unlike when they hired him and end this charade immediately.

We were on an upwards trajectory last year. I don’t think that’s it’s an unfair statement to say that we would have made finals with a healthier list.

However, the wheels have come off for whatever reason this season.

We can’t keep sacking the coach.

 

[AceAndy]

We can’t keep sacking the coach.

I am afraid we can. Two more losses in the next fortnight and i think Voss will be shown the door.

 

[JustaBattler]

Nice try trying to lump Cook with Voss.

One a proven successful campaigner in his role, the other, well.....the other looking like he hasn't improved much since his first senior coaching gig.

3 goals a game, what does that even mean?

We've just lost 7 of our last 8 games.

You dont thiunk COok the CEO will have a say on Voss's staying or going? Do you really think he wont have a view either way or that any view he does have would be of no interest to the Board? the same Board that brought him in to fix stuff ?

I'm not trying anything except to say that Cook may have a different view on where the Club should be at and why - than people with your line of thinking.

 

[Del9Sep24]

Wrong. So wrong.

Hardwick missed finals years 1, 2, 3. Lost elimination final in each of years 4, 5, 6. Missed finals completely in year 7 and was nearly sacked. Premiership year 8 etc.

Unrealistic expectations continue to be the problem. This list is utterly unproven. A team of champions (up for debate but certainly we have stars on every line), but nowhere near a champion team. Yet.

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Years 1-4 of Hardwicks coaching under the win % column it is increasing. Just to explain in case you missed the original point.

Now post Voss’s if you want to further prove the point. We have the luxury to see such a long track record of incompetence. Use it. There wouldn’t be anyone else in the country who would do a better job? Get a grip.

 

[Del9Sep24]

We were on an upwards trajectory last year. I don’t think that’s it’s an unfair statement to say that we would have made finals with a healthier list.

However, the wheels have come off for whatever reason this season.

We can’t keep sacking the coach.

They can and will until they choose a decent coach. The only question is how much time is wasted in between.

 

[Azzurro]

Years 1-4 of Hardwicks coaching under the win % column it is increasing. Just to explain in case you missed the original point.

Now post Voss’s if you want to further prove the point. We have the luxury to see such a long track record of incompetence. Use it. There wouldn’t be anyone else in the country who would do a better job? Get a grip.

The only point I was really seeking to disprove was your falacious claim of a constant upwards trajectory in Hardwick's coaching years. Your selective use of the data speaks volumes - you didn't claim year on year improvement over a specific time frame.

In any case, they started from a very low base of 6 wins in Hardwick's first year, with a total of 8 in year 2. On evidence of your recent posting history, if Hardwick was our coach at that time you would have called for his sacking mid year 2, on the grounds of gross incompetence

Thanks for the tip but I'm velcro personified.

 

[Skull Face]

I want a cook lead review of the entire football department, find out what isnt working and replace it be that Voss or his team around him or this faction within the playing group refusing to buy in.

Last thing we want to see is a snap call to sack Voss due to media pressure after a few more losses.

 

[Del9Sep24]

The only point I was really seeking to disprove was your falacious claim of a constant upwards trajectory in Hardwick's coaching years. Your selective use of the data speaks volumes - you didn't claim year on year improvement over a specific time frame.

In any case, they started from a very low base of 6 wins in Hardwick's first year, with a total of 8 in year 2. On evidence of your recent posting history, if Hardwick was our coach at that time you would have called for his sacking mid year 2, on the grounds of gross incompetence

Thanks for the tip but I'm velcro personified.

I don’t need to cherry pick data between the two it wouldn’t matter which data or timeframe Voss will get crushed in any metric against any competent coach.

Richmond finished 15th the season before Hardwick took over. In his second season they won 8 games. Dusty was in his 2nd year. Rance and Cotchin 4th year and Riewoldt 5th year. And if you don’t understand what that all means, it means they were still rebuilding and 8 wins is satisfactory.

Compare that to where Carlton’s list is currently at. If you’re happy with how they are playing at this stage I don’t know what else to say. To have this list playing as bad as they are is astounding.

The only reason Voss gets so much support from mates in the media is because he is a good bloke. But that doesn’t get results as a head coach. I would hope supporters would be more worried about wins and losses than if a good bloke gets the sack a year early. Winning comes first, that’s how the proper clubs operate.

 

[Blue1980]

I don’t need to cherry pick data between the two it wouldn’t matter which data or timeframe Voss will get crushed in any metric against any competent coach.

Richmond finished 15th the season before Hardwick took over. In his second season they won 8 games. Dusty was in his 2nd year. Rance and Cotchin 4th year and Riewoldt 5th year. And if you don’t understand what that all means, it means they were still rebuilding and 8 wins is satisfactory.

Compare that to where Carlton’s list is currently at. If you’re happy with how they are playing at this stage I don’t know what else to say. To have this list playing as bad as they are is astounding.

The only reason Voss gets so much support from mates in the media is because he is a good bloke. But that doesn’t get results as a head coach. I would hope supporters would be more worried about wins and losses than if a good bloke gets the sack a year early. Winning comes first, that’s how the proper clubs operate.

We are staggering in our ineptitute. There maybe white anting players, but I don't think Voss is the guy to fix things.

 

[Gointocarlton]

We are staggering in our ineptitute. There maybe white anting players, but I don't think Voss is the guy to fix things.

To me it would appear the guy/girl to fix the problems at Carlton that have existed for 2 odd decades hasn't been born yet.

 

[Accidental genius]

Clutching at straws comparing our current predicament with dimma/tiggies before their run of success.

If no club sacked coaches would they all go on to win 3 flags?

The question for the people wanting to give Voss more time to prove himself……what progress are you seeing with the current run of losses that gives you some hope?

I’m seeing detioration not progress. So what are we waiting for?

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Clutching at straws comparing our current predicament with dimma/tiggies before they’re run of success.

If no club sacked coaches would they all go on to win 3 flags?

The question for the people wanting to give Voss more time to prove himself……what progress are you seeing with the current run of losses that gives you some hope?

I’m seeing detioration not progress. So what are we waiting for?

I've not seen one answer to this question yet....it's been put repeatedly in various iterations.

Well, it's a really bad look to be failing so badly on the field.

Reality is, WCE aside, we're presently the 2nd worst team in the competition.

And Voss has shown NOTHING to suggest he has any fixes at all.