Preview Round 23 - Essendon Bombers vs The Greater Western Sydney - Saturday, August 19th - 4:45 pm @ Unsponsored Stadium, NSW

[Mercurial89]

He is not our future if he keeps playing like he has this year at both levels. I do not care what level of development you are at you need to go when it is your turn. It may not work out and you get beaten because you are not physically ready but you need to make the contest . Compare him to Tsatas who has played two games and is a mile away physically but one is having a crack 100% of the time even though he comes up short physically while the other is doing a few nice things but not always putting himself into a position to have an attempt to impact. I am not asking for him to star crashing in like a maniac. I just want to see him not just lurk out wide where he knows he will not get used and run at the footy. If anyone looks at the behind the goals vison or watches from the top level behind the goals you will see what I am saying. It is why I have sat there the last two weeks. He is actually positioning himself during games where he will not be at the contest. He will not be dropped but I am going to call it out.
Francis was the future as well at one stage.

That's why I mentioned him not playing instinctively.
He may be getting coached on positioning, second guessing himself and not applying it to the contest.

Throwing around the soft efforts tag (and I understand you don't use it lightly) is dangerous as we don't know what players are thinking or being coached on.
Two prime examples, walla when he was passing off shots well within goal, got absolutely mauled for it to the point he made a public apology, we know that was the coaching instruction and his issues with following it. The answer there is not dropping the bloke.

Langford, was always criticised for being slow with ball in hand, making slow decisions.
We all know he is a smart player but he was so I his own head he was terrified of making the wrong decisions. Over thought everything.

Cox is the future, (I'm not saying he will make it, but our future depends on trying) it requires exposure at the level and coaching.

 

[ydc55]

He is our future though.
He's not alone on that front of choosing when to go.

The smart thing to do is give him the final two games and coaching. Doesn't need to be dropped because fans aren't happy with his efforts.
Especially when it's obvious that he's not playing instinctively which can show itself as being soft.

Take away that he was a top ten pick and he has done very little at vfl and then afl level.
baldwin is a far superior defender in far superior form.
baldwin was a rookie but that means nothing now.
cox is a 25% chance to make it from here In my opinion.

 

[naraku]

In: Setterfield, Draper, Caldwell, Wanganeen.
Out: Cox, Kelly,Phillips, Guefli.

 

[faible]

Cox needs continuity in a position, he's just not showing 'it' on a wing despite having a solid first season there. Give him a run in the VFL like Baldwin; settled in one position for an extended period of time until he really has some confidence then worry about him getting AFL games.

Guelfi was solid I felt, did all the stuff that you need him doing as a front half pressure player. I wouldn't be dropping him.

Tex a bit unlucky to cop an injury after some good form then the VFL bye.

Without any injuries it's not super obvious who goes out, but I do think Cox probably could do with some confidence building in the VFL whilst Baldwin plays AFL.

 

[Beerfish]

Well if ever there was a game we'd get a friendly whistle it would be this one.

AFL would love nothing more than having a spot in the finals on the line in our game v Collingwood.

We shall watch with interest

 

[citizen-erased]

In: Setterfield, Draper, Caldwell, Wanganeen.
Out: Cox, Kelly,Phillips, Guefli.

I'd give Hepp or Lav a spell and bring Kelly back to his BP position against Toby.

Kelly - Zerk - Lav
Redman - Baldwin - Hind
Martin - Setterfield - Durham
Perkins - Langford - Caldwell
Menzie - Wright - Tex
Draper - Parish - Merrett
Hobbs - Tsatas - Bryan - McGrath
Snelling/Guelf either o.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'd give Hepp or Lav a spell and bring Kelly back to his BP position against Toby.

Kelly - Zerk - Lav
Redman - Baldwin - Hind
Martin - Setterfield - Durham
Perkins - Langford - Caldwell
Menzie - Wright - Tex
Draper - Parish - Merrett
Hobbs - Tsatas - Bryan - McGrath
Snelling/Guelf either o.

Play Lav on Toby

We cant expect ball movement with those 4 in the same back 6

Its either Kelly or Baldwin and if its Kelly then he plays on Toby

 

[GoDons76!]

Ok if Scott wants us to play finals I think we are all chips in this week and next and if we win both we get a week off. Unfortunatley I think the team is cooked and we are on our last legs (it would of been nice to beat port twice and swans but thats football!)

I would like to see Draper, Stringer, Setterfield and Caldwell in

Out Bryan (their ruckman is like mummy on steroids), guelfi (3qrts of softness doesnt warrant a game), Snelling (Brings nothing) & Cox (needs 13 years in a gym)

But Scott will go in with the same side i bet!

 

[eth-dog]

In: Wanganeen, Caldwell
Out: Kelly, Heppell (rest before farewell game vs Pies)

McGrath - Zerk-Thatcher - Laverde
Redman - Baldwin - Hind
Martin - Hobbs - Durham
Wanganeen - Langford - Perkins
Menzie - Wright - Guelfi
Bryan - Parish - Merrett
Phillips - Cox - Tsatas - Caldwell
Snelling

 

[andleanback]

If draper is going to play it might aswell be this week or just wrap him up for the season.

In - draper stringer setterfield
Out - Phillips kelly cox
Sub - cox

 

[andleanback]

Take away that he was a top ten pick and he has done very little at vfl and then afl level.
baldwin is a far superior defender in far superior form.
baldwin was a rookie but that means nothing now.
cox is a 25% chance to make it from here In my opinion.

He’s done very little at vfl level because he’s hardly played. Would’ve played half a dozen games over 3 years.

 

[Keystone agony]

Take away that he was a top ten pick and he has done very little at vfl and then afl level.
baldwin is a far superior defender in far superior form.
baldwin was a rookie but that means nothing now.
cox is a 25% chance to make it from here In my opinion.

Baldwin is 193cm 1 or 2 years older when he entered the system and built like Jack darling

N.Cox is a 200cm bean pole utility whos had to start out of his best position and had multiple injuries. Alot more than Baldwin over the past 18 months

Skinny tall kids take time

JUH
Cadman
Lukosius
SDK
TDK

All predigious top 20 talents

 

[Seb78]

Ins: Draper Stringer Caldwell Setterfield
Outs: Phillips Cox Snelling Kelly

(Assuming ins are fit to play)?

B: Laverde Baldwin Hind
HB: Redman BZT McGrath
C: Martin Setterfield Durham
HF: Perkins Stringer Caldwell
F: Langford Wright Menzie
R: Draper Merrett Parish
INT: Bryan Tsatas Heppell Hobbs
SUB: Guelfi

Could easily swap Guelfi for Tex tbh.

 

[dank420_]

In: Stringer
Out: Snelling

Stringer pulls hammy in first quarter, Snelling subbed on.

 

[windyhill]

Two wins, fairly ordinary, I think this translates to a win.

 

[Getratugolea]

this is not a game for Bryan

 

[Keystone agony]

I suppose you got to go all in

In: Draper, Stringer, Setterfield, Caldwell
Out: Bryan, J.Kelly, N.Cox, Tsatas
Sub: Tsatas

Harsh on Tsatas

 

[mike14]

this is not a game for Bryan

But wouldn't we want him to have this kind of experience for the upcoming seasons where we might expect a bit more?
Playing Phillips over him really does set us up for future success in any way

 

[andleanback]

this is not a game for Bryan

Why? Hell he 2nd ruck to draper, heck play draper forward as 2nd and just let Bryan ruck.

 

[andleanback]

I suppose you got to go all in

In: Draper, Stringer, Setterfield, Caldwell
Out: Bryan, J.Kelly, N.Cox, Tsatas
Sub: Tsatas

Harsh on Tsatas

Doubt Tsatas is getting dropped after 23 and a goal

 

[eth-dog]

Why? Hell he 2nd ruck to draper, heck play draper forward as 2nd and just let Bryan ruck.

Cos Briggs is a physical ruck. I don't agree with that but that'd be why.

 

[thaibomber]

Rabbit out of hat time I think. If we play the way we have the last few weeks in this one, we will lose it Badly.

 

[andleanback]

Cos Briggs is a physical ruck. I don't agree with that but that'd be why.

I’d give him the opportunity with draper. I’d rather he play the last 2, we know Phillips is gone, should really have 1 eye on the future. Port did okay with a d grade ruck in Hayes and a kid in lord. I think Bryan is more than capable.

 

[Keystone agony]

Doubt Tsatas is getting dropped after 23 and a goal

It would be unlikely

Im just not sure who should be dropped ahead of him

I think we need 2 genuine small forwards with Menzie and Guelfi

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Play Lav on Toby

We cant expect ball movement with those 4 in the same back 6

Its either Kelly or Baldwin and if its Kelly then he plays on Toby

Toby will murder Lav.