Kane Tenace

[WE Are Geelong]

I don't think that calling people names will raise credibility to your argument...it usually symbolises a weakness as they can't think of anything substantial, so they resort to denigrating as a form of attack



Well then give me an example for heavens sake. You've talked about it so often but I haven't seen any evidence, and you haven't offered any. You talk about him being quick, yet there's nothing that you've offered that backs it up. A perfect example of your lack of evidence:



Mixing attack with avoiding the question. Bravo.



THAT I agree with



yet

This is really easily answered again. Tenace is a fast player..here's an example...Wojo was off on one of his runs full tilt...and who should be cruising along side him 20 metres away not sprinting just doing it within himself...Tenace...if you want to suggest Tenace isnt quick you need medical treatment this isnt even a debate. Trying to suggest Tenace doesnt show speed on the park is you being blinded by wanting to win a debate and just making a fool of yourself in the process.

The main point which you completely ignored AGAIN...which shows what a wimp you are is that Tenace keeps getting picked...why? Maybe you are just wrong in your assessment of him and better football minds know more about the game than you...ever consider that?

Trying to win an argument by saying someone hasnt shown any pace on a footy field and even ppl who hate him saying he only gets picked for his pace just shows how freaky and delusional you are willing to go to try win what is just a pissy little debate amongst bored supporters.

I just say what I think mate on here...I dont make stuff up, exaggerate or talk rubbish like you do just to prove a point. Geelong is trying to create a very fast half back line..as in develop it because it has been very successful for other sides in the last two seasons. Blind freddy can see that..except you and a handful of other dim wits on here who wouldnt know the reality of modern footy from a game of scrum rugby...

If you dont like being called names I will write a letter to your mum and apologise ok bro..?

 

[WE Are Geelong]

This is an interesting one from one of the most loyal Cats around. I thought Tenace was poor overall but yes he did get belted off the ball and WAG (LOL) has pointed out that this is not the first time he has copped it.

I think that maybe the hit on Kane may have been borne out of pure frustration from Inspector Gadget. His groin looked gone in the second half..maybe he got hurt just before or actually during his 'double event' of delightful clangers just before half time. Perhaps the injured Don whacked Tenace because he just couldn't catch him.

This would tend to support the 'all he has is pace' view, which if overly simplistic may in fact have some merit. Solomon isn't quick either so perhaps Kane is not the weapon that WAG is trying to point him out to be. One thing we do know for sure about Kane after last Friday is that he's lost in that key defensive part of the ground but you don't need a football brain to work that one out.

Intersting thread this one. The jury is out for mine on Tenace but perhaps Collingwood at the G is a good match for him to hit his straps.

regards,

REB

You're a mind reader mate? Seeing into the minds of footballers playing a game that goes so fast you dont want to blink...but you the guru can see inside every little thought and just tell us all how they think...

My perception of Tenace being hit is the simple fact I see it happen more regularly than I really should expect to see it...thats it so far...you are sort of taking it a few levels above into the world of psychic BS.

Whats Solomon's own leg speed got to do with Tenace being a weapon or not? What makes a guy sprint 20 metres hit someone in the guts behind play when he doesnt see it coming...risk getting 2 weeks....and then sprint off again..? Maybe with that all seeing eye of yours you could tell us what Solomon thinks about when he is on the john too mate...whats going through his mind when he crunches one out?...gotta laugh at you mate..you're talking rubbish...how would you have a clue?

I saw Gary Snr get left at the full back line in 89 once mate...he didnt look too flash. I guess it was the first time he ever played there...other than that he wasnt a bad player though right? People who think Tenace should have just clicked into the perfect defender at the elite level are pretty moronic..and dont know a thing. On top of that Welsh was just having one of those nights out...it happens.

 

[ripitup27]

This is really easily answered again. Tenace is a fast player..here's an example...Wojo was off on one of his runs full tilt...and who should be cruising along side him 20 metres away not sprinting just doing it within himself...Tenace...if you want to suggest Tenace isnt quick you need medical treatment this isnt even a debate. Trying to suggest Tenace doesnt show speed on the park is you being blinded by wanting to win a debate and just making a foll of yourself in the process.

The main point which you completely ignored AGAIN...which shows what a wimp you are is that Tenace keeps getting picked...why? Maybe you are just wrong in your assessment of him and better football minds know more about the game than you...ever consider that?

Trying to win an argument by saying someone hasnt shown any pace on a footy field and even ppl who hate him saying he only gtes picked for his pace just shows and freaky and delusional you are willing to go to try win what is just a pissy little debate amongst bored supporters.

I just say what I think mate on here...I dont make stuff up, exaggerate or talk rubbish like you do just to rpove a point. geelong is trying to create a very fast half back line..as in develop it because it has been very successful for other sides in the last two seasons. Blind freddy can see that..except you and a hanfdul of other dim wits on here who wouldnt know the reality of modern footy from a game of scrum rugby...

I still have not seen Tenace do what Wojcinski does. It's because we don't need him to do that. And as for being picked every week, he isn't, he was dropped for the Sydney game, and the only reason he came in for the Bombers game was because Rooke was injured. Rooke is not a quick HB or anything like that, so all this crap about needing Tenace for team balance is wrong, because Rooke would walk into the side every week ahead of Tenace.

 

[ripitup27]

You're a mind reader mate? Seeing into the minds of footballers playing a game that goes so fast you dont want to blink...but you the guru can see inside every little thought and just tell us all how they think...

My perception of Tenace being hit is the simple fact I see it happen more regularly than I really should expect to see it...thats it so far...you are sort of taking it a few levels above into the world of psychic BS.

Whats Solomon's own leg speed got to do with Tenace being a weapon or not? What makes a guy sprint 20 metres hit someone in the guts...risk getting 2 weeks....and then sprint off again..? Maybe with that all seeing eye of yours you could tell us what Solomon thinks about when he is on the john too mate...whats going through his mind when he crunches one out?...gotta laugh at you mate..you're talking rubbish...how would you have a clue?

I saw Gary Snr get left at the full back line in 89 once mate...he didnt look too flash. I guess it was the first time he ever played there...other than that he wasnt a bad player though right? People who think Tenace should have just clicked into the perfect defender at the elite level are pretty moronic..and dont know a thing. On top of that Welsh was just having one of those nights out...it happens.

Gary Senior was not a defensive player, and neither is Kane Tenace. I'm all for him being in the side if he is playing forward, but not in defense, he is too unreliable.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

I can see your point and it is valid regarding a quiker HB line better example would be Mattner & Gram but I can see Tenace will get exploited now. It was only a couple of plays in the 1st half but they stood out like dogs balls. Tenace is not just poor but attrocious at position himself for a marking contest and is soft as butter in that situation. He needs to develop that part of his game. I think it would also be beneficial to give Josh Hunt a run.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say that Tenace can run off Didak and Davis so we should keep him in the team but Hunt can't because players of Didak's/Davis' quality mean footy is just one on one.... which is it?

Nobody is saying Hunt is there to knock people out. People are saying a player with greater physical presence would be an asset against Collingwoods younger less developed team.

You make some good points again...but I never suggested Tenace would be picking up either of those two players. Hunt would you are right. Maybe Tenace will but to me it would defeat the purpose of what his real role should be...so I wouldnt put him on such players with goal scoring potential. Hunt is a better defender than Tenace...no one is arguing that, not me anyway...for me its all about run off the half back line, what wins pressure footy these days and agreeing with Bomber and the match committee for trying to develop this style throughout the season ongoing...

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Gary Senior was not a defensive player, and neither is Kane Tenace. I'm all for him being in the side if he is playing forward, but not in defense, he is too unreliable.

Well not on the defensive line...I agree. I dont mind him running off half back.

 

[turtlemanistic]

this thread really is quite hilarious. From my goading; to WAG's quoting everyone who says anything negative about Tenace and rebuffing it by saying effectively "you're a fool, you don't know anything" etc. Then there are the people who can see WHY Tenace could fit into the team (the reasons behind it, and I accept the reasoning behind him in the team), yet, like me, are of the opinion that he doesn't fulfill this role that was created for him; and then there are people who support Tenace in the team as an effective player, or at the least, a player reaches the standard of their expectations. Finally there are those who respond to WAG's edited arguments, where they either put out their opinions, or rebuff those of WAG's, and are each met with the same abusive replies

 

[Tonycam*]

Kanes a fill in , simple as that , He will not be in once everyone is back , but still we need them so he is a required player.

 

[sarah.13]

Kanes a fill in , simple as that , He will not be in once everyone is back , but still we need them so he is a required player.

Ahh ! Tony the voice of reason!

 

[WE Are Geelong]

this thread really is quite hilarious. From my goading; to WAG's quoting everyone who says anything negative about Tenace and rebuffing it by saying effectively "you're a fool, you don't know anything" etc. Then there are the people who can see WHY Tenace could fit into the team (the reasons behind it, and I accept the reasoning behind him in the team), yet, like me, are of the opinion that he doesn't fulfill this role that was created for him; and then there are people who support Tenace in the team as an effective player, or at the least, a player reaches the standard of their expectations. Finally there are those who respond to WAG's edited arguments, where they either put out their opinions, or rebuff those of WAG's, and are each met with the same abusive replies

I think you need to get a handle on the fact I quite enjoy just laying it on people on here mate...if you took it to heart I'd be disappointed and surprised.

Its good you put your opinions out there mate...I dont have to agree with them...maybe the next thread I will. I am here because I enjoy talking about footy any time...thats it, whether we agree or not isnt so important to me.

My main reason for going into bat for Tenace is about the game plan they are trying to build. I can see it work come September but it needs more work at the moment. I want to see them persist with it.

 

[Tonycam*]

Ahh ! Tony the voice of reason!

Called sitting on the fence also Sarah, LOL

 

[turtlemanistic]

Phew. I think I'm done with this topic for at least another week.

 

[Cattery]

I think you need to get a handle on the fact I quite enjoy just laying it on people on here mate...if you took it to heart I'd be disappointed and surprised.

Its good you put your opinions out there mate...I dont have to agree with them...maybe the next thread I will. I am here because I enjoy talking about footy any time...thats it, whether we agree or not isnt so important to me.

My main reason for going into bat for Tenace is about the game plan they are trying to build. I can see it work come September but it needs more work at the moment. I want to see them persist with it.

Guess we all enjoy talking about footy or we wouldn't be here, but suggesting, no make that outright saying that those whose opinions differ from your own are lacking in footy knowledge seems a funny way of carrying on a conversation.

You've gone to a lot of trouble arguing for a player who you say yourself needs to improve his kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests [ hardly unimportant aspects of a players make up ] and who you now admit isn't even fulfilling the role he's been chosen for "at the moment."

Despite some rather verbose posts it seems what you're actually saying when it's all boiled down is he's in the side because he can get from point A to point B quicker then most others, hardly a reason for playing him ahead of others who have more diversity to their game surely, and while I agree that the role he's undertaking at the moment is an important one if he ain't cutting the mustard doing it then what's the point, either get him up to speed in the reserves or forget about him altogether.

Seems like a lot of time and effort being put into someone who when/if we have a full list to choose from will be at pretty long odds to even be on the park.

 

[DanA]

You make some good points again...but I never suggested Tenace would be picking up either of those two players. Hunt would you are right. Maybe Tenace will but to me it would defeat the purpose of what his real role should be...so I wouldnt put him on such players with goal scoring potential. Hunt is a better defender than Tenace...no one is arguing that, not me anyway...for me its all about run off the half back line, what wins pressure footy these days and agreeing with Bomber and the match committee for trying to develop this style throughout the season ongoing...

Fair enough. I agree in principle with 90% of what you have been saying. It is the 10% that is more interesting to discuss however, the rest is just slapping each other backs.

I for one would love to see Hunt get a bigger work rate. He is actually quite quick and has fantastic skills. If he could work at covering more ground like Enright & Tenace he would be an extremely valuable player. His 1st half against Port Adelaide was fantastic, did not have enough in the tank to keep it up In my opinion though.

 

[linelefty]

Agreed,

He'sa good footballer, on the periphery of the side who has, perhaps, been given more chances than some others.

But to suggest that hes useless, and a w***er off the field, a powder puff and other general insults is...well.....soft!

I think Woji's improvement has hurt him pretty badly, They've always been tarred with the same "raw pace" brush. Woji's shown that if you develop good torso strength to bust tackles and go in and get it, then you can actually use you're pace.

Don't agree with ya abuse and insults, but agree with the sentiment.........drop him. We could do with a 6foot4 marking wingman instead.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Guess we all enjoy talking about footy or we wouldn't be here, but suggesting, no make that outright saying that those whose opinions differ from your own are lacking in footy knowledge seems a funny way of carrying on a conversation.

You've gone to a lot of trouble arguing for a player who you say yourself needs to improve his kicking, decision making and one on one's in marking contests [ hardly unimportant aspects of a players make up ] and who you now admit isn't even fulfilling the role he's been chosen for "at the moment."

Despite some rather verbose posts it seems what you're actually saying when it's all boiled down is he's in the side because he can get from point A to point B quicker then most others, hardly a reason for playing him ahead of others who have more diversity to their game surely, and while I agree that the role he's undertaking at the moment is an important one if he ain't cutting the mustard doing it then what's the point, either get him up to speed in the reserves or forget about him altogether.

Seems like a lot of time and effort being put into someone who when/if we have a full list to choose from will be at pretty long odds to even be on the park.

Ok... it does come off rude sometimes in an internet forum. Quite often even when I am animated its all fairly tongue in cheek really...just cant convey the body language on line so what do you do?

Why would I suggest in the first place some people lack footy knowledge?...well because what you are conveying right now as to what my opinion is after all that verbosity of mine isnt really correct? So I am wondering what's the point right now to be honest.

Most people want this to be a Tenace vs Hunt, DJ, Prismall thread....or just cos Tenace is quick why select him? I would prefer this to be about the reality of what Geelong is building for come finals.

I prefer to look at this as being a thread about the big picture. Why was Tenace ear marked for senior selection so early on in the pre season? What is the game plan surrounding him being selected which I agree isnt always automatic but its more regular than not at the moment. Is Geelong trying to imitate the fast running half back lines of successful opposition sides of the past two seasons? How far advanced are they or will they revert back to a slower back line come September if it's deemed not to have worked?

Personally I want to see the Tenace experiment continue. For one thing he has played in a high percentage of winning matches this season. It if aint broke..dont fix it. He is fast...but in a different way to Wojo. He gets to important loose footy that has spilled from stoppages or clangers and this puts alot of pressure on opposition defences because they have just cleared the ball and its coming back all too quickly. Because Geelong is always on the attack these days we are wearing sides out and often outscoring them in the last 5 minutes of quarters convincingly....this usually wins you games of footy statistics suggest. Tenace cuts off 50/50 contests before they happen at an important part of the ground. He creates pressure on leading forwards because he can stay with them...one on one he got found out but that doesnt surprise me as he has little exposure to that sort of play.

On the personal side with Tenace I believe he can turn the corner with kicking and decision making. I think one on one marking could be a weak point always. Mackie was in a similar boat exactly this time last year....you really questioned if he would make it or not...you just need to persist. Mackie is a great example of how that persistance pays off. I think Tenace has similar potential.

Overall its about having a purpose. I think Geelong has a purpose with playing Tenace ahead of other guys. Some seem to see it on here..most dont. I am trying to get people to see this could be significant for us moving forwards to finals. That Geelong wants to really look at the finer points of success in the modern game of football and really try competing on all those levels...and one of thos areas is certainly having fast players rebounding and picking up loose football off your half back line.

Because it isnt working perfectly isnt a reason to drop it 2 months out from finals. Going back to the slower style of play resigns you to this without the option of going the more attacking way. I more so suggest...get it right...and this really could be a season to remember...

I prefer the latter scenario and this all being a stepping stone to playing the right type of competitive hard running relentless rebound footy you need to play come finals if you are serious about winning it.

 

[catempire]

Great post WAG.

 

[djlowz]

The only reason Kane Tenace is a bad person is because he does too many farts under the covers and then when he plays he smells like a Dutch oven. Just so you know he is a bad man, a very bad man.

 

[MmkMrMackie]

Ok... it does come off rude sometimes in an internet forum. Quite often even when I am animated its all fairly tongue in cheek really...just cant convey the body language on line so what do you do?

Emotes are your friend.

 

[martyk]

I prefer to look at this as being a thread about the big picture. Why was Tenace ear marked for senior selection so early on in the pre season? What is the game plan surrounding him being selected which I agree isnt always automatic but its more regular than not at the moment.

It's been obvious that Geelong have been attempting to move the ball faster/more direct in '07 so I think you are spot on with that statement. Tenace is seen as a fast runner. This still doesn't change for me the fact that he doesn't use his pace. Wojicinski has never been and still isn't a good defender, and was dropped for not being accountable in the past. His current running efforts well and truly outweigh this now though.
Tenace should be doing what Wojicinski does but can't. He would probably whip Wojicinski in a 100m sprint, but that means nothing at all... as has been proven. Wojicinski has never been in the top sprinting times at the cats.

I see Tenace as a Wojicinski without the run, lateral movment, awareness, kicking ability at full pace etc, etc. You need more than pace to be a good footballer. The best of the best are surely not always speedy.. Voss, Buckley, S.Black, Hird, Kerr, Harvey, Goodes. My point here is, without using his pace to effect(which he doesn't), he is not worthy of a position in the side.

 

[CatFan79]

Personally I want to see the Tenace experiment continue. For one thing he has played in a high percentage of winning matches this season. It if aint broke..dont fix it.

"If it aint broke don't fix" it is a Neanderthal minded statement that only states that you would rather not have the best 22 on the ground. I know you seem to think Tenace is so important to our team and Thompson is building our side around this fringe player but get over it, HE'S NOT IN OUR BEST 22. IF ROOKE WASN'T INJURED HE WOULD NOT BE PLAYING AT ALL!

YOU ARE WRONG!

Tenace is still in the side because we are winning. If he isn't dropped this week (which I think he will) its only because we managed to beat the bombers. If we had lost you could be 100% sure he would be dropped.

Because it isnt working perfectly isnt a reason to drop it 2 months out from finals. Going back to the slower style of play resigns you to this without the option of going the more attacking way. I more so suggest...get it right...and this really could be a season to remember...

Fast ball movement is achieved by using a combination of good stoppage setups, reading the play well, agility in a contested environment, moving the ball quickly and skillfully by hand (in numbers) and efficient disposal by foot. This is what wins premierships, not a guy that can run quick when he finds space.

You love talking up Grandfinals.. Well, these days they are won by playing tight, contested, skillful footy. Tenace has proved time and time again that he lacks ability in these key areas.

Tenace has quick foot speed but rarely gets to use it because he has poor awareness and poor ability to find space in tight situations. When he does get the chance (he needs a paddock around him) he too regularly cannot hit a target.

Hey, he might improve but for now... He's OUT!

 

[WE Are Geelong]

"If it aint broke don't fix" it is a Neanderthal minded statement that only states that you would rather not have the best 22 on the ground. I know you seem to think Tenace is so important to our team and Thompson is building our side around this fringe player but get over it, HE'S NOT IN OUR BEST 22. IF ROOKE WASN'T INJURED HE WOULD NOT BE PLAYING AT ALL!

YOU ARE WRONG!

Tenace is still in the side because we are winning. If he isn't dropped this week (which I think he will) its only because we managed to beat the bombers. If we had lost you could be 100% sure he would be dropped.



Fast ball movement is achieved by using a combination of good stoppage setups, reading the play well, agility in a contested environment, moving the ball quickly and skillfully by hand (in numbers) and efficient disposal by foot. This is what wins premierships, not a guy that can run quick when he finds space.

You love talking up Grandfinals.. Well, these days they are won by playing tight, contested, skillful footy. Tenace has proved time and time again that he lacks ability in these key areas.

Tenace has quick foot speed but rarely gets to use it because he has poor awareness and poor ability to find space in tight situations. When he does get the chance (he needs a paddock around him) he too regularly cannot hit a target.

Hey, he might improve but for now... He's OUT!

Once again you dont adopt the main premise of my argument...you just discuss things in a way that suits you...and is limited to your understanding of the game.

You think its about whether he is in our best 22..I am saying its about the type of game plan we are trying to play. You talk about whether the game plan is built around him..why?..he is just a part of that game plan like any other player.

Tenace has more potential to carry out that game plan according to not just me but the Geelong selectors. Rooke is simply an exceptional player and we have had a great run with injuries this year. It's not that surprising a guy in his 4th year like Mackie was last season who is still finding his feet is in and out of a strong side. Whats the big deal about that?

GFs are won by tight, contested, skilful footy....your words...someone could have written that 50 years ago and it would have made sense too...so in other words what you are saying is completely generic. So whats changed in the game mate? I have discussed the modern game....you havent brought it up yet. My concern is you dont even know the difference between rhetoric and whats actually going on.

my quote...competitive hard running relentless rebound footy you need to play come finals if you are serious about winning it....the difference is it incorporates rebound footy which all starts in defense these days particularly off the half back line. If you watch the last two Gfs they are played between the two half back lines...you havent mentioned this once so my assumption is you simply just dont realise this.

Guys who can run fast when they find space arent important come finals time you say..?...Have you actually watched the last 2 Gfs?...I feel I need to ask you this because I get the sense you havent.

You have an opinion about something great...but you either cant get it down on paper...or wait for it...drum roll...you dont know what you are talking about with regards to the finer points of modern footy.

This argument isnt about Tenace anymore...its about adopting a proven game plan that works in finals...hard running rebound footy off the half back line with fast (yes thats leg speed too) players running the ball out... so we need to try find the right sort of people to play in those positions...its just logical to try a guy with real speed first before anyone else and that is exactly what they are trying first.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[WE Are Geelong]

It's been obvious that Geelong have been attempting to move the ball faster/more direct in '07 so I think you are spot on with that statement. Tenace is seen as a fast runner. This still doesn't change for me the fact that he doesn't use his pace. Wojicinski has never been and still isn't a good defender, and was dropped for not being accountable in the past. His current running efforts well and truly outweigh this now though.
Tenace should be doing what Wojicinski does but can't. He would probably whip Wojicinski in a 100m sprint, but that means nothing at all... as has been proven. Wojicinski has never been in the top sprinting times at the cats.

I see Tenace as a Wojicinski without the run, lateral movment, awareness, kicking ability at full pace etc, etc. You need more than pace to be a good footballer. The best of the best are surely not always speedy.. Voss, Buckley, S.Black, Hird, Kerr, Harvey, Goodes. My point here is, without using his pace to effect(which he doesn't), he is not worthy of a position in the side.

Ok but..how is it I see Tenace picking up loose football from cleared stoppages or clangers across half back and covering quick forwards on leads without using his pace? I mean if going on runs is the only way you show someone you have pace..thats a bit simplistic isnt it?

Footy is played at such a fast pace anyone who regularly gets to loose football is a very fast player...so thats pace being used to effect surely?

This is about trying a guy who has more potential to play within a certain game plan...more so than other options at this stage. Its that simple. If he isnt living up to that potential...it doesnt mean the potential isnt there.

 

[CatFan79]

Once again you dont adopt the main premise of my argument...you just discuss things in a way that suits you...and is limited to your understanding of the game.

You think its about whether he is in our best 22..I am saying its about the type of game plan we are trying to play. You talk about whether the game plan is built around him..why?..he is just a part of that game plan like any other player.

Tenace has more potential to carry out that game plan according to not just me but the Geelong selectors. Rooke is simply an exceptional player and we have had a great run with injuries this year. It's not that surprising a guy in his 4th year like Mackie was last season who still finding his feet is in and out of a strong side. Whats the big deal about that?

GFs are won by tight, contested, skilful footy....your words...someone could have written that 50 years ago and it would have made sense too...so in other words what you are saying is completely generic. So whats changaed in the game mate? I have discussed the modern game....you havent brought it up yet. My concern is you dont even know the difference between rhetoric and whats actually going on.

my quote...competitive hard running relentless rebound footy you need to play come finals if you are serious about winning it....the difference is it incorporates rebound footy which all starts in defense these days particularly off the half back line. If watch the last two Gfs they are played between the two half back lines...you havent mentioned this once so my assumption is you simply just dont realise this.

Guys who can run fast when they find space arent important come finals time you say..?...Have you actually watched the last 2 Gfs?...I feel I need to ask you this because I get the sense you havent.

You have an opinion about something great...but you either cant get it down on paper...or wait for it...drum roll...you dont know what you are talking about with regards to the finer points of modern footy.

This argument isnt about Tenace anymore...its about adopting a proven game plan that works in finals...hard running rebound footy off the half back line with fats players running the ball out... so we need to try find the right sort of people to play in those positions...its just logical to try a guy with real speed first before anyone else and that is exactly what they are trying first.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Its very simple... You're the one who's babbling sh!t to make yourself sound like you know what you're on about.

Regardless of how well you think Tenace can run the ball out, he has serious deficiencies in skill, awareness and ability which is why after nearly 4 years he has not come close to holding down a permanent spot.. If he can over come these one day (very doubtful) he might get a regular gig, until then he won't.

OVER, DONE, FINISHED!

 

[BigBadCam]

Ok... it does come off rude sometimes in an internet forum. Quite often even when I am animated its all fairly tongue in cheek really...just cant convey the body language on line so what do you do?

Why would I suggest in the first place some people lack footy knowledge?...well because what you are conveying right now as to what my opinion is after all that verbosity of mine isnt really correct? So I am wondering what's the point right now to be honest.

Most people want this to be a Tenace vs Hunt, DJ, Prismall thread....or just cos Tenace is quick why select him? I would prefer this to be about the reality of what Geelong is building for come finals.

I prefer to look at this as being a thread about the big picture. Why was Tenace ear marked for senior selection so early on in the pre season? What is the game plan surrounding him being selected which I agree isnt always automatic but its more regular than not at the moment. Is Geelong trying to imitate the fast running half back lines of successful opposition sides of the past two seasons? How far advanced are they or will they revert back to a slower back line come September if it's deemed not to have worked?

Personally I want to see the Tenace experiment continue. For one thing he has played in a high percentage of winning matches this season. It if aint broke..dont fix it. He is fast...but in a different way to Wojo. He gets to important loose footy that has spilled from stoppages or clangers and this puts alot of pressure on opposition defences because they have just cleared the ball and its coming back all too quickly. Because Geelong is always on the attack these days we are wearing sides out and often outscoring them in the last 5 minutes of quarters convincingly....this usually wins you games of footy statistics suggest. Tenace cuts off 50/50 contests before they happen at an important part of the ground. He creates pressure on leading forwards because he can stay with them...one on one he got found out but that doesnt surprise me as he has little exposure to that sort of play.

On the personal side with Tenace I believe he can turn the corner with kicking and decision making. I think one on one marking could be a weak point always. Mackie was in a similar boat exactly this time last year....you really questioned if he would make it or not...you just need to persist. Mackie is a great example of how that persistance pays off. I think Tenace has similar potential.

Overall its about having a purpose. I think Geelong has a purpose with playing Tenace ahead of other guys. Some seem to see it on here..most dont. I am trying to get people to see this could be significant for us moving forwards to finals. That Geelong wants to really look at the finer points of success in the modern game of football and really try competing on all those levels...and one of thos areas is certainly having fast players rebounding and picking up loose football off your half back line.

Because it isnt working perfectly isnt a reason to drop it 2 months out from finals. Going back to the slower style of play resigns you to this without the option of going the more attacking way. I more so suggest...get it right...and this really could be a season to remember...

I prefer the latter scenario and this all being a stepping stone to playing the right type of competitive hard running relentless rebound footy you need to play come finals if you are serious about winning it.

Dude, why are your posts always so freaking long. Do you think that by typing big walls of waffle, that people will cave in and submit just because they can't be ****ed reading it? Call us stupid all you want for not analysing every point of every one of your year 9 essays on the state of the GFC, but personally, I don't have the time.

It would be much better for arguments sake if you could keep it short and simple. Make your point and move on. Don't make the same point over and over and over and over and over, then roll it on its side and do it over and over and over and over and over again.

I admire your dedication to these forums, but seriously... You have some good things to say, but please do so in a less waffle like way.