The rankings (from best to worst) of the 126 VFL-AFL premiership teams

[Back One Out]

29. Hawthorn 2015
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46. Hawthorn 2013
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51. Hawthorn 2014

LOL

 

[HTPunter]

Lower than Geelong 2022

Higher than Hawthorn 2013

That’s where I’d have them. 30-40 range. Difficult to compare them to 1900 sides hence picking out 2 more recent premiers as a guide. I don’t rate Freo 2013 but I do rate Brisbane 2023

 

[Back One Out]

Why the f*** would anyone complain about the Essendon team of 00 being ranked on top? The whole competition had their chance to beat them: one team managed it, by a meagre 3 points.

Carlton 95, Geelong back half of 07 and 08 and St Kilda 09 are the only sides in my 33 years of watching who I would give any chance of beating them and all three of them would still lose more often than not if Essendon played to the peak they achieved in that season

That midfield... OMG!
Jason Johnson... Joe Misiti... Justin Blumfield... Chris Heffernan.. Adam Ramanauskas... Blake Caracella
How could anyone hope to compete with that? Especially with the ruck dominance of Steve Alessio and John Barnes
Greatest team ever!!!!


LMAO that you rate the 2009 Saints higher than the 2001/02/03 Lions, 2013/14/15 Hawks, 2010/11 Pies, 2005/06 Eagles or the 1996/98/99 Roos

 

[Fadge]

Minor Premiership, a game and percentage clear on top of the ladder (and that was only after losing some meaningless games late in the season once top 2 was secured a long way out).

Won a Qualifying Final with no home ground advantage against the 2021 Premiers, beat a red-hot GWS in the Preliminary Final, and the clear second best team in the competition who were at the top of their game in their fifth consecutive finals series.

If this team doesn't make the top 20, he's not doing it right.

 

[PhatBoy]

That midfield... OMG!
Jason Johnson... Joe Misiti... Justin Blumfield... Chris Heffernan.. Adam Ramanauskas... Blake Caracella
How could anyone hope to compete with that? Especially with the ruck dominance of Steve Alessio and John Barnes
Greatest team ever!!!!


LMAO that you rate the 2009 Saints higher than the 2001/02/03 Lions, 2013/14/15 Hawks, 2010/11 Pies, 2005/06 Eagles or the 1996/98/99 Roos

Who gives a f**k how shit you think those individuals were. Pretty sure it doesn’t matter if you’re plowing everyone by 10 goals each week

Equally, you understand that comparing a 26-week period of performance is not the same as comparing three seasons, right?

I don’t give a shit how many flags Hawthorn or West coast won over x-amount of seasons. The whole point of the thread, and my comment within it, is that multiple successful seasons don’t matter shit when you’re ranking a team of one season.

 

[Back One Out]

Who gives a f**k how s**t you think those individuals were. Pretty sure it doesn’t matter if you’re plowing everyone by 10 goals each week

Equally, you understand that comparing a 26-week period of performance is not the same as comparing three seasons, right?

I don’t give a s**t how many flags Hawthorn or West coast won over x-amount of seasons. The whole point of the thread, and my comment within it, is that multiple successful seasons don’t matter s**t when you’re ranking a team of one season.

That's cool, PhatBoy

I've just crossed you off my list of people whose opinions that I rate.

Who needs a brain when you can compare each team's W/L record in the home and away games?

edit: but I totally get it why Geelong fans would wholeheartedly buy into Dan26's criteria of judging teams for one season and ignore the difficulty of winning back-to-back flags.

Big Footy is funny.

 

[PhatBoy]

That's cool, PhatBoy

I've just crossed you off my list of people whose opinions that I rate.

Who needs a brain when you can compare each team's W/L record in the home and away games?

edit: but I totally get it why Geelong fans would wholeheartedly buy into Dan26's criteria of judging teams for one season and ignore the difficulty of winning back-to-back flags.

Big Footy is funny.

Because comparing ‘who could beat who’ doesn’t rely on winning grand finals, does it.

The Dogs of 2016 aren’t going to beat the Essendon that lost in 2001, are they.

Your username is a synonym for taking a shit. I’m not going to be losing sleep that you don’t rate my opinion because I understand that in a head-to-head scenario, comparing teams statistically over the course of a season worth of games is as good a means as any.

 

[Back One Out]

Because comparing ‘who could beat who’ doesn’t rely on winning grand finals, does it.

The Dogs of 2016 aren’t going to beat the Essendon that lost in 2001, are they.

Your username is a synonym for taking a s**t. I’m not going to be losing sleep that you don’t rate my opinion because I understand that in a head-to-head scenario, comparing teams statistically over the course of a season worth of games is as good a means as any.

There is really no need for any discussion, then

I don't even know why Dan26 bothers with the write ups, to be honest

All we really need to see is the number of wins and losses combined with the For/Against percentage.
Like the Home & Away ladder, but a Ladder for the Ages.

Really that's all you and him are valuing. Home & Away win/loss records.
That's what this thread should be renamed: Statistically, the greatest season

Everything else is just fluff.

Losing games because of injuries? Whatever...
Overcoming those injuries to win the flag? Pfft.
Key injuries to your opponents? Irrelevant...
Improving over the course of the season? Meh...
Facing tougher opposition in September? Nuh...
Going from "hunters" to the "hunted" ?? Pfft.
Opposition teams putting 20 times more work into nullifying your gameplan and strengths?
Maintaining the hunger for victory after winning a flag? Having to reinvent yourselves and tweak your gameplans?
The concept that some years are weaker (more even) than others?

None of this stuff seems to matter.

Just show me the ladder.

 

[Mr Meow]

I wonder what could have helped the Brisbane mids

Probably Ashcroft, or a few of their midfielders hitting their 2023 average for impact.

 

[Shane Heard]

That midfield... OMG!
Jason Johnson... Joe Misiti... Justin Blumfield... Chris Heffernan.. Adam Ramanauskas... Blake Caracella
How could anyone hope to compete with that? Especially with the ruck dominance of Steve Alessio and John Barnes
Greatest team ever!!!!


LMAO that you rate the 2009 Saints higher than the 2001/02/03 Lions, 2013/14/15 Hawks, 2010/11 Pies, 2005/06 Eagles or the 1996/98/99 Roos

Entire season game winning margin average including finals ..7 goals.

Those superstars of the super team you mention also had super super nova stars as well …immortals Mercuri, Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas, Long, Hardwick, Solomon and the all time king of all CHB interceptors who made it look easy ..Sean Wellman.

Deep down in your nimrodish pea brained soul
..you know that team was the greatest side the universe has ever produced..

 

[Mr Meow]

Minor Premiership, a game and percentage clear on top of the ladder (and that was only after losing some meaningless games late in the season once top 2 was secured a long way out).

Won a Qualifying Final with no home ground advantage against the 2021 Premiers, beat a red-hot GWS in the Preliminary Final, and the clear second best team in the competition who were at the top of their game in their fifth consecutive finals series.

If this team doesn't make the top 20, he's not doing it right.

Their profile fits most closely with the 2005/2006 West Coast team. That side averaged 17-5 and 122% over those two years (including a minor premiership). Collingwood 18-5 and 127% in 2023 - or averaging 17-5 and 117% over 2022/2023.

Super midfield, good defence, less reliance on a stacked forward line but with players capable of cameos and midfielders who score heavily. From memory that West Coast side had a lot of close finals too - and Collingwood have had 5 very close finals over the past 2 seasons.

 

[Back One Out]

Entire season winning margin average over 25 games ..7 goals.

Those superstars of the super team you mention also had super super nova stars as well …immortals Mercuri, Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas, Long, Hardwick, Solomon and the all time king of all CHB interceptors who made it look easy ..Sean Wellman.

Deep down you know that team was the greatest side the universe has ever produced..

Essendon's 2000 team is not even the best Essendon team I've seen
The Bombers of 1984/85 was a stronger, tougher and more versatile team

Mark Thompson.... Paul Weston.....Billy Duckworth
Glenn Hawker....... Kevin Walsh.........Garry Foulds
Bryan Wood.......... Leon Baker..........Merv Neagle
Terry Daniher.......Roger Merrett.........Mark Harvey
Alan Ezard............Paul Salmon.....Paul Van der Haar

Simon Madden......Tim Watson......Darren Williams

Shane Heard....Neil Clarke....Tony Elshaug
Frank Dunell....Peter Bradbury....Stephen Carey

 

[Shane Heard]

Essendon's 2000 team is not even the best Essendon team I've seen
The Bombers of 1984/85 was a stronger, tougher and more versatile team

Mark Thompson.... Paul Weston.....Billy Duckworth
Glenn Hawker....... Kevin Walsh.........Garry Foulds
Bryan Wood.......... Leon Baker..........Merv Neagle
Terry Daniher.......Roger Merrett.........Mark Harvey
Alan Ezard............Paul Salmon.....Paul Van der Haar

Simon Madden......Tim Watson......Darren Williams

Shane Heard....Neil Clarke....Tony Elshaug
Frank Dunell....Peter Bradbury....Stephen Carey

That’s nice dear..

 

[Danw0w]

Richmond wins the 2017 and 2019 flags with a combined finals margin of 135 and 155 points respectively and this genius doesn't have either in the top 80.

 

[Fadge]

Richmond wins the 2017 and 2019 flags with a combined finals margin of 135 and 155 points respectively and this genius doesn't have either in the top 80.

Suspect it was because they only just snuck into the top 4 on both occasions, combined with it being the weakest era in the history of the game.

 

[Fadge]

Their profile fits most closely with the 2005/2006 West Coast team. That side averaged 17-5 and 122% over those two years (including a minor premiership). Collingwood 18-5 and 127% in 2023 - or averaging 17-5 and 117% over 2022/2023.

Super midfield, good defence, less reliance on a stacked forward line but with players capable of cameos and midfielders who score heavily. From memory that West Coast side had a lot of close finals too - and Collingwood have had 5 very close finals over the past 2 seasons.

Collingwood 2023 comfortably ahead of West Coast 2006 (remembering this assessment is based on a single season - why would Collingwood's lesser record in 2022 drag them down?)

Collingwood had a higher percentage (127 to 120), bigger gap on 2nd place in addition to other teams in the top 4, lost games once top 2 was secured, and won all their finals (West Coast lost their Qualifying Final).

On reflection, top 20 was a bit ambitious. If not top 30, I unsubscribe.

 

[Mr Meow]

Collingwood 2023 comfortably ahead of West Coast 2006 (remembering this assessment is based on a single season - why would Collingwood's lesser record in 2022 drag them down?)

Collingwood had a higher percentage (127 to 120), bigger gap on 2nd place in addition to other teams in the top 4, lost games once top 2 was secured, and won all their finals (West Coast lost their Qualifying Final).

On reflection, top 20 was a bit ambitious. If not top 30, I unsubscribe.

127% in H&A and low 100%s for finals isn't miles away from that Eagles side. Two legitimate home games against Interstate sides around GWS '19/Sydney 2022 level won by under a goal just isn't as convincing as some flags. Winning a QF by a goal rather than losing by a goal doesn't change that output a whole lot. The unbiased statistical models all point to the same thing.

Brilliant flag though and you should be delighted, as you are. But the 2010 Pies I'd take over them by stronger opposition for starters, and likely 2011 Pies too.

Geelong got fairly weak sides last year and had just the one close call (an away final, remember - against a Collingwood side that displayed at least as good form in 2022 as 2023) while being super dominant otherwise for the last few months. Collingwood a year later in a similar scenario with similar kinds of competition ground it out.

I reckon the 2002 Pies, who weren't glamorous at all, could've ground out similar kinds of victories. Remember how close they got to a legendary Brisbane side after two great finals wins against good sides. How do you think they'd have gone?

 

[Fadge]

How do you think they'd have gone?

The battery in my time machine is flat, so I'm not currently in a position to test the hypothesis...

But ok, top 40 for Pies 2023 will do.

 

[dean33]

Minor Premiership, a game and percentage clear on top of the ladder (and that was only after losing some meaningless games late in the season once top 2 was secured a long way out).

Won a Qualifying Final with no home ground advantage against the 2021 Premiers, beat a red-hot GWS in the Preliminary Final, and the clear second best team in the competition who were at the top of their game in their fifth consecutive finals series.

If this team doesn't make the top 20, he's not doing it right.

Let me correct things for you fadge.
The only premier in recent memory that lost 3 of their last 5 home and away games.

Beat a very inaccurate Melbourne by 7 pts after taking one of their prime ball users out in the first 10 mins of the game.
Melbourne win the game on predicted score.

Beat the 7th ranked team by 1 point after the umpires put the whistle away and subsequently missed about 5-6 obvious free kicks to the giants.
Giants win the game on predicted score.

Beat a Brisbane team by 4 points, a Brisbane team that has won 1 game on the mcg in their last 5 years or so. A team denied the chance to win the game late by an atrocious umpiring decision… again.

Total lowest aggregate winning margin across their 3 finals games by any premier in living memory.

Cmon fadge, don’t try and rewrite history man.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Let me correct things for you fadge.
The only premier in recent memory that lost 3 of their last 5 home and away games.
Beat a very inaccurate Melbourne by 7 pts after taking one of their prime ball users out in the first 10 mins of the game. Melbourne win the game on predicted score.

Beat the 7th ranked team by 1 point after the umpires put the whistle away and subsequently missed about 5-6 obvious free kicks to the giants.

Beat a Brisbane team by 4 points, a Brisbane team that has won 1 game on the mcg in their last 5 years or so. A team denied the chance to win the game late by an atrocious umpiring decision… again.

Cmon fadge, don’t try and rewrite history man.

Total lowest aggregate winning margin across their 3 games by any premier in living memory.

Those factora will all mark it down on Dan's criteria
Perhaps top 40

 

[South of the Yarra]

Let me correct things for you fadge.
The only premier in recent memory that lost 3 of their last 5 home and away games.

Beat a very inaccurate Melbourne by 7 pts after taking one of their prime ball users out in the first 10 mins of the game.
Melbourne win the game on predicted score.

Beat the 7th ranked team by 1 point after the umpires put the whistle away and subsequently missed about 5-6 obvious free kicks to the giants.
Giants win the game on predicted score.

Beat a Brisbane team by 4 points, a Brisbane team that has won 1 game on the mcg in their last 5 years or so. A team denied the chance to win the game late by an atrocious umpiring decision… again.

Total lowest aggregate winning margin across their 3 finals games by any premier in living memory.

Cmon fadge, don’t try and rewrite history man.

You seem very bitter about this Collingwood win. Blaming umpires. Really sad. Although I guess I understand this attitude when you have such a long Premiership drought. You are entitled to be bitter. I would suggest the ability to continuously win clutch games makes us an even better team.

 

[Fadge]

Let me correct things for you fadge.
The only premier in recent memory that lost 3 of their last 5 home and away games.

How many games clear on top should Collingwood have finished?

Would they have received more advantages if they had have finished 3 or 4 games ahead of second, instead of a game and percentage?

 

[dean33]

How many games clear on top should Collingwood have finished?

Would they have received more advantages if they had have finished 3 or 4 games ahead of second, instead of a game and percentage?

What I’m telling you is fact, no other premier in recent history has entered September in poorer form.

 

[dean33]

You seem very bitter about this Collingwood win. Blaming umpires. Really sad. Although I guess I understand this attitude when you have such a long Premiership drought. You are entitled to be bitter. I would suggest the ability to continuously win clutch games makes us an even better team.

Not bitter at all, lots of good mates are pies fans, just like to be factual and not drink the kool aid coming from the media and Collingwood nuffs.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Entire season game winning margin average including finals ..7 goals.

Those superstars of the super team you mention also had super super nova stars as well …immortals Mercuri, Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas, Long, Hardwick, Solomon and the all time king of all CHB interceptors who made it look easy ..Sean Wellman.

Deep down in your nimrodish pea brained soul
..you know that team was the greatest side the universe has ever produced..

It was a great side. Thankfully Kouta in that 1999 prelim final and the Lions in the 2001 grand final, stopped you from putting back to back flags together.