Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

[Kurve]

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Zidane98]

This one's fallen right off the radar recently. The committal will be interesting to say the least.

 

[Kurve]

This one's fallen right off the radar recently. The committal will be interesting to say the least.

It's sad, the longer it goes on without finding Samantha, the less hope there is she'll ever be found.

 

[mrskafoops]

I just cannot get my head around the why. Why would he have done it? What could have driven him to do it? It seems senseless and such a terrible waste. Both Samantha and POS. Why throw your life away like that? I just don't understand people, which is what draws me to forums like this. To try to make some sense of it.

 

[Underarrest_]

This one's fallen right off the radar recently. The committal will be interesting to say the least.

I think his defence would have received the brief of evidence by now but doesn’t seem as though PS is talking or disclosing where SM’s body is which might be quite telling of how much evidence police have.

 

[Lady O]

I think his defence would have received the brief of evidence by now but doesn’t seem as though PS is talking or disclosing where SM’s body is which might be quite telling of how much evidence police have.

Is it possible that someone else took SM's body and he doesn't actually know where it is?

 

[Underarrest_]

Is it possible that someone else took SM's body and he doesn't actually know where it is?

Personally I think if he’s killed her he disposed of her body too
but it’s possible.
What’s your thoughts on who could have disposed of her body, if P killed her?

 

[31550]

Personally I think if he’s killed her he disposed of her body too
but it’s possible.
What’s your thoughts on who could have disposed of her body, if P killed her?

I just cannot get my head around the why. Why would he have done it? What could have driven him to do it? It seems senseless and such a terrible waste. Both Samantha and POS. Why throw your life away like that? I just don't understand people, which is what draws me to forums like this. To try to make some sense of it.

Is it possible that someone else took SM's body and he doesn't actually know where it is?

Probably need to wait and see what the Crown alleges before we can answer any of the above.
Some might be revealed at the committal hearing, but the details may not be revealed until the actual trial. It's not standard practice for police to provide a running commentary once charges have been laid.

 

[Lady O]

Personally I think if he’s killed her he disposed of her body too
but it’s possible.
What’s your thoughts on who could have disposed of her body, if P killed her?

I haven't really formed a theory, but way back someone was pondering whether he was "carrying out orders" under duress, from someone else who actually had a reason to want her dead.

If you accept this, it makes sense for the murderer and the person who disposed of SM's body to be two separate and unrelated people, acting under instruction from a third party. A "hit" I suppose, but neither of the people able to identify each other or the person who ordered the "hit". All they know is they had to perform an action to prevent an action being performed against them. It's a classic "mob" tactic.

 

[Underarrest_]

I haven't really formed a theory, but way back someone was pondering whether he was "carrying out orders" under duress, from someone else who actually had a reason to want her dead.

If you accept this, it makes sense for the murderer and the person who disposed of SM's body to be two separate and unrelated people, acting under instruction from a third party. A "hit" I suppose, but neither of the people able to identify each other or the person who ordered the "hit". All they know is they had to perform an action to prevent an action being performed against them. It's a classic "mob" tactic.

Possible, if this was the case, it’s a reason that POS wouldn’t t talk as well.

 

[shorsky]

Almost 6 months since Samantha disappeared !

According to Police she is Dead, the result of a deliberate attack by a young man (POS) who they have in custody, and who will face court again next month. Media reports indicate that he ‘is not talking’ and has entered No Plea.

In its simplest form, THAT is the extent of my knowledge of this situation. It must be unbearable for her children, and for her parents.

( oh they found her phone )

With most murders there exists ‘reasons’ - sound or otherwise (depending on who’s making the judgement I guess).

Other than some stories about him being out on the town that night; possibly partying with drugs, since that seems the recreational go-to these days; and getting into a fight, which tends to be common place for alcohol fuelled young people, there appears to be nothing:
no link between SM & POS,
no reason why he would murder her,
no details from police to even hint at the said ‘deliberate act’, nor how they know for sure that she is Dead.

Would some learned person please explain why POS would not enter a Plea - why would he not say ‘Not Guilty’ or ‘I didn’t touch her’ etc. … or am I mistaken about him entering no plea ?
Is this just Police semantics, when the real situation is that ‘he hasn’t said he did anything to her & he hasn’t told us where her body is’ .

I just pray for genuine answers, mostly for her family; and if she was harmed by someone, that they pay a long, harsh penance.

 

[Run n Spread]

Almost 6 months since Samantha disappeared !

According to Police she is Dead, the result of a deliberate attack by a young man (POS) who they have in custody, and who will face court again next month. Media reports indicate that he ‘is not talking’ and has entered No Plea.

In its simplest form, THAT is the extent of my knowledge of this situation. It must be unbearable for her children, and for her parents.

( oh they found her phone )

With most murders there exists ‘reasons’ - sound or otherwise (depending on who’s making the judgement I guess).

Other than some stories about him being out on the town that night; possibly partying with drugs, since that seems the recreational go-to these days; and getting into a fight, which tends to be common place for alcohol fuelled young people, there appears to be nothing:
no link between SM & POS,
no reason why he would murder her,
no details from police to even hint at the said ‘deliberate act’, nor how they know for sure that she is Dead.

Would some learned person please explain why POS would not enter a Plea - why would he not say ‘Not Guilty’ or ‘I didn’t touch her’ etc. … or am I mistaken about him entering no plea ?
Is this just Police semantics, when the real situation is that ‘he hasn’t said he did anything to her & he hasn’t told us where her body is’ .

I just pray for genuine answers, mostly for her family; and if she was harmed by someone, that they pay a long, harsh penance.

Standard practice to not enter a plea until all charges are finalised and a brief presented. Probably under legal advice to not say anything and reserve the plea

 

[31550]

Standard practice to not enter a plea until all charges are finalised and a brief presented. Probably under legal advice to not say anything and reserve the plea

One cannot enter a plea until the committal hearing, This is not scheduled until August. The magistrate will then decide whether to proceed to trial or not. Only then can a plea be entered, and the option remains to enter no plea.

 

[Run n Spread]

One cannot enter a plea until the committal hearing, This is not scheduled until August. The magistrate will then decide whether to proceed to trial or not. Only then can a plea be entered, and the option remains to enter no plea.

Was responding to the last post. A preliminary you can plea but it is more an indication how you intend to.plea. Can also change.
Formal plea is not until the charges are officially read and put to the accused in the presence of a full court including jury pool.
Technically as well you're right you can reserve your plea at preliminary.
Also can be like the mushroom woman where a defendant can forego a prelim or the OPP can disregard a finding and go to trial.
Rarely a case gets kicked at prelim. It's used as a tactic really by both sides. Lay the charges and see what can stick at trial before finalising what you are running with vs lock witnesses into a version of events and see what holes you can poke in at trial.
In this case POS would be advised staying silent and discovering just what the police actually have on him. Then trial strategy/ defence will begin planning

 

[shorsky]

Daily Mail has caught up with the fact Mick has changed his Status on FB.

Tragic one word update from Samantha Murphy's devastated husband

The heartbroken husband of missing Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has offered a sad public update on his life after her suspected murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Percel]

Daily Mail has caught up with the fact Mick has changed his Status on FB.

Tragic one word update from Samantha Murphy's devastated husband

The heartbroken husband of missing Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has offered a sad public update on his life after her suspected murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Weird it took so long, I saw that months ago (based on Facebook faux rage)

 

[31550]

Was responding to the last post. A preliminary you can plea but it is more an indication how you intend to.plea. Can also change.
Formal plea is not until the charges are officially read and put to the accused in the presence of a full court including jury pool.
Technically as well you're right you can reserve your plea at preliminary.
Also can be like the mushroom woman where a defendant can forego a prelim or the OPP can disregard a finding and go to trial.
Rarely a case gets kicked at prelim. It's used as a tactic really by both sides. Lay the charges and see what can stick at trial before finalising what you are running with vs lock witnesses into a version of events and see what holes you can poke in at trial.
In this case POS would be advised staying silent and discovering just what the police actually have on him. Then trial strategy/ defence will begin planning

We are talking about 'entering a plea'.
The question asked was why POS had not done so. My response was that he has had no legal opportunity to 'enter a plea'. The earliest this can happen is at the committal hearing, but he is not required to enter a plea until an actual trial is convened.

 

[Underarrest_]

Daily Mail has caught up with the fact Mick has changed his Status on FB.

Tragic one word update from Samantha Murphy's devastated husband

The heartbroken husband of missing Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has offered a sad public update on his life after her suspected murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How they know for sure SM is deceased is the big question.

 

[jason_recliner]

How they know for sure SM is deceased is the big question.

What's an alternative?

 

[Underarrest_]

What's an alternative?

Not saying there’s an alternative.
Will just be good when we too can know.
Will just have to wait though.

 

[Calann22]

The Facebook page Leave a light on inc
Posted about Samantha they didn’t have an update on the case just a standard post but one of the followers commented the below. Has anyone seen or heard this before ?

“Wonder if they ever investigated the channel 7 footage of two young guys looking through the trees behind the journalist. They told the journalist they were police and to move away but police have their uniform on at all times even in a search. These really young guys were just wearing high vis looking in the tree cavities .”

 

[mrskafoops]

Only a few days to go until the hearing.

 

[Spectrix]

Only a few days to go until the hearing.

I think we're all hoping for some sauce, but it's only a preliminary hearing. A judge will assess the evidence and decide if it's enough to proceed to trial.
I would imagine it'll be a closed court so we can't send a BigFooty rep in .

 

[Spectrix]

How they know for sure SM is deceased is the big question.

Vic Pol were weirdly specific early on about the exact time and place of the death.
I imagine that they gained access to her apple health data which may have shown (for instance) her heartrate declining and stopping.

 

[thumbs_up]

I think we're all hoping for some sauce, but it's only a preliminary hearing. A judge will assess the evidence and decide if it's enough to proceed to trial.
I would imagine it'll be a closed court so we can't send a BigFooty rep in .

That's interesting enough for me at this stage.

 

[mrskafoops]

Major update on Sam Murphy's alleged killer as body remains unfound

The alleged killer of Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy is expected to tune into his next court appearance from the comfort of a prison office.

www.dailymail.co.uk