Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[Blue Reaper]

Carlton has matched contract duration and payments to player age and quality since Cook (and Voss) arrived.

Petracca's mooted money at Melbourne is way way over anything that Carlton is paying anyone based on the formula above.

So Petracca switching Clubs on same money terms as he is currently ( talked about earning) is the first consideration - and only a consideration based on the first assumption below which is an open question :

Will Petracca be able to play at the same standard he hs demonstrated previously at his best at Carlton for the duration of his contract - which in my opinion is a big ask of any player

The second consideration is does Petracca playing at his best and on significantly more money than ( eg Cripps or Curnow or McKay or in due course TDK or Walsh or Weitering) replace and significantly improve the team if one of the above quality players is traded out - because THAT is what the team portfolio question is

The third consideration is - would the team be more improved IF the hypothetical money spent on Petracca was spent in other areas?

The fourth consideration is if the cost of Petracca was not only money but also 'a' Harry McKay and also picks - would the cost to the team portfolio in terms of investment in the draft/trade be warranted?

Now put your feet in Melbourne's shoes

They have one of the best players in the competition who has been granted a very generous long term contract around which they thought they could build their between the arcs and forward fifty team. He is very unhappy. He is also coming back from what has been reported as being life threatening surgery. He will need time to get healthier and fitter and who knows how long that will take and he wants out and has stated it ( apparently) in front of all the player group and has made it clear he wont go anywhere except to a bigger Melbourne Club.

That reduces the options that Melbourne have as far as deal-making goes. That means for all their chest puffery - they wont want a player who doesn't want to be there ( aka Joe Daniher at Essendon) not being 100% committed and causing internal problems because of pay etc etc etc

The two obvious candidates for Petracca are Collingwood ( who dont have player or pick capital to throw around ) Carlton who have a theoretical player in McKay who has unequivocally stated GAGF about moving and Carlton having stated the same - and you have (potentially) Essendon - who will have picks and salary cap space and play in front of big crowds - but dont have a player that Melbourne want.

Melbourne are in a bad position - there is no need for Carlton to make its position as a team and Club worse by helping Melbourne where others ( Collingwood and Essendon) cant.

and I dont think Carlton can afford to throw money around as they did with Williams and McGovern.

Neither of whom would be of any interest to Melbourne.

Fascinating situation - Petracca might have to accept less if he wants out- a lot less and Melbourne will definitely have to accept less than their chest puffer media commentators are suggesting.

I'd like to see Petraca at Carlton as much as anyone else - but I also wouldn't give Melbourne anything except draft picks and players we dont want.

As for those who think giving up Harry for petracca and picks and whatever else Melbourne want and whatever Petracca wants - yeah naaa.

Well put.

Trac is one of my fave non Blues players. But not for McKay (or other spine star players) and not for a salary well above our highest paid players. And not at the expense of jeopardizing our list plan and needs going forward (KPD, speedy mid, freaky forward ). If this happens, and I hope it can ‘cause he’d be amazing for us, has to happen on terms that fit our long term plan.

And if not, we comfortably move on.

 

[RPCB]

Tbh I'd be more concerned about his mental state, bodies can repair but will he put his body in the way?

That’s another thing. He’s suffered so much trauma. It’s going to play on his mind for a long time.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

I spoke to my best mate, hes italian.. he told me lygon st will dishing out free food for a week if true (his words not mine)

Can't understate how big the Italian connection is to Petracca. His off field brand is actually massive and rapidly growing, he has videos with millions of views. Having that connection to Lygon Street and Carlton would be gold for him, and is possibly important for him on a personal level as his heritage is clearly a big thing for him.

Despite all that, I still see no way how we fit him in, unless he sits out a year.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Come on now. The Carlton now is nothing like the Carlton then - I’m sure you can see that.

I never thought we had the making of a Premiership team then - we hoped that Murph, Krooz, Gibbs etc would get us there but nothing had been proven when Judd was traded in (I wanted to trade Fev, keep JK and keep our picks).

We absolutely have the makings now with our star players in their prime years - it would be like adding a young Judd (in terms of player type) to a team that is on the cusp of winning a flag.

We can head into 2025 among a collection of teams that are in with a shot to win a flag, or we can head into 2025 with a team that should not be anything other than Premiers.

You don’t get the off field right in the footy department aka high performance team, then you won’t be winning anything

If we just had one year of somewhat a normal injury list and heaven forbid an unusually low injury list, then I’d be very confident we’d be going incredibly close with what we’ve got now.


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[HereComesJuddy]

Log in today to see what new chat could be about. Petracca again

 

[Blue since 72]

That’s another thing. He’s suffered so much trauma. It’s going to play on his mind for a long time.

Yep, when one errant knee can do that much damage it would give you pause for sure. Not necessarily an easy thing to overcome.

 

[Juice030103]

Seems like we are back to a boring offseason

Sam Edmund saying Houston to saints, and aleer wants to see out his contract

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Seems like we are back to a boring offseason

Sam Edmund saying Houston to saints, and aleer wants to see out his contract

Saints will have the picks to facilitate a Houston move with x2 top 10 picks

 

[mochacinolatte]

Can't understate how big the Italian connection is to Petracca. His off field brand is actually massive and rapidly growing, he has videos with millions of views. Having that connection to Lygon Street and Carlton would be gold for him, and is possibly important for him on a personal level as his heritage is clearly a big thing for him.

Despite all that, I still see no way how we fit him in, unless he sits out a year.

Lmao the buzz word going around "Petrecca Brand".

Opinion of Petrecca has not changed nor will it change unless his convicted of a crime.

1. Going on again after getting knee is pretty ****ing brave in my eyes.
2. Having a different view of life after experiencing a near death experience I can understand.
3. Want to leave a toxic work enviroment understandble, shits rough for anyone who has ever worked.
4. Being concerned with your workplace when they sent you out without doing a proper medical is a very legitimate concerned.
5. Melbourne has lost a lot of integrity in almost killing a player without proper due diligence. Imagine the headlines if Petrecca actually passed away cause they let him on after that hit.

Journalism hit pieces coming in full force.

 

[Juice030103]

Yeh fair enough he’d be a good pickup for them. Just don’t want another nothing offseason

 

[BigFrizz36]

Petracca would certainly make us better, but can't see any of our gun talls departing

If anything you would look at moving on a mid or 2

Welcome back mate.

 

[charred_fate]

You don’t get the off field right in the footy department aka high performance team, then you won’t be winning anything

If we just had one year of somewhat a normal injury list and heaven forbid an unusually low injury list, then I’d be very confident we’d be going incredibly close with what we’ve got now.


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No doubt we would be … and if you add Trac, we’d be going all the way.

(If we didn’t, it would be considered a failure).

 

[BringFevBack2021]

For those interested, here's what I think of the Petracca spleen recovery - based on actual studies:

Splenic Lacerations and Return to Play: Case Report of 2 Professional Hockey Players - PMC

Several sports medicine reviews have highlighted a 3- to 6-month time frame for return to play after splenic lacerations. These reviews are based on several well-defined grading scales for splenic injury based on computed tomography (CT). None of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The spleen typically heals from injury in a similar timeframe, regardless of the extent of the injury - but right under that it states that return to play decisions are difficult in professional athletes without sufficient data to support extended recovery. So it is absolutely typical that a BSI would have a timeframe like this, say 16-20 weeks of minimal activity.

Beyond that, Matthew Lloyd had a period of 204 days between his BSI and returning to play at AFL level. So I feel 20 weeks (140 days) plus an 8 week conditioning block on the back of it (56 days) is probably pretty typical, which would mean Petracca could be finishing up a running program as teams start their pre-season and would be fit and firing on all cylinders by mid November.

I really don't think his recovery is anything to be concerned with at this point

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Lmao the buzz word going around "Petrecca Brand".

I know it's wanky, but in this case it's legit. He does have a bit going on besides footy.

But I also don't buy the narrative that he's damaging his own brand. Nasty journalism.

 

[Dramoth]

It's more about probability why i dont mention Barass and mention Houston. I'd take Barass over Leek for sure but Barass is strongly linked elsewhere so ive omitted him.

Houston ive mentioned because JSoS grew up with him and Vossy knows him. Houston provides coverage off half back, wing and midfield if required. That is great utility value and he has been all australian. Having said all that. To your point i have him third on the list of requirements due to cost.

If we bring in Houston, who is he going to replace? I can’t see a Carlton side going forward that doesn’t have Moo in it, and I honestly think that Moo next year is going to make us start asking why did we think of Houston.

The only possible option would be Boyd really… or Newman. And replacing Newman isn’t going to happen. He’s a general down back. So it’d come down to Boyd. But if we wanted to, we could use Cinc in the role Boyd plays. And then we have Doc coming back in.

We just need a reliable third tall and a solid KPD.

 

[jimsta10]

Can't understate how big the Italian connection is to Petracca. His off field brand is actually massive and rapidly growing, he has videos with millions of views. Having that connection to Lygon Street and Carlton would be gold for him, and is possibly important for him on a personal level as his heritage is clearly a big thing for him.

Despite all that, I still see no way how we fit him in, unless he sits out a year.

are you referring to his cooking videos?

 

[mochacinolatte]

I know it's wanky, but in this case it's legit. He does have a bit going on besides footy.

But I also don't buy the narrative that he's damaging his own brand. Nasty journalism.

I agree with the Nasty Journalism. They writing anything for clicks to reach the KPIs with yearly salary discussion coming up.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Petracca would certainly make us better, but can't see any of our gun talls departing

If anything you would look at moving on a mid or 2

And welcome back !!

 

[KnaveyBlue]

are you referring to his cooking videos?

Yep, particularly on Tik-Tok (I promise I don't watch Tik-Tok, my wife just tells me about it)

 

[mochacinolatte]

If we bring in Houston, who is he going to replace? I can’t see a Carlton side going forward that doesn’t have Moo in it, and I honestly think that Moo next year is going to make us start asking why did we think of Houston.

The only possible option would be Boyd really… or Newman. And replacing Newman isn’t going to happen. He’s a general down back. So it’d come down to Boyd. But if we wanted to, we could use Cinc in the role Boyd plays. And then we have Doc coming back in.

We just need a reliable third tall and a solid KPD.

Boyd/Cincotta would be an upgrade. Replacement for Docherty/Saad/Newman who are getting close to their final years.

Although I prefer we went swinging for KPD, still pretty annoyed there is no rumours us circling around Barass when we knew this was an issue for so many years. You just need someone to pair with Weitering.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Yep, particularly on Tik-Tok (I promise I don't watch Tik-Tok, my wife just tells me about it)

Are you sure your wife is watching Petrecca for his cooking videos?

 

[Dramoth]

Plenty of cap space -

Cuningham
Marchbank
Martin
Durdin

To name a few - there’s $1,000,000 there.

Cunners and Marchbank would have been on league minimum for their 1 year contract. Martin’s contract was heavily front loaded, so he would be on pretty much minimum payments now. And Durdin was a MSD rookie. There isn’t a million dollars there. Maybe 600-700k max.

 

[Dramoth]

A couple of issues.

1. Broken footballer is pure hyperbole.

2. In 4 years time, Cripps is retired, Saad is retired and Weitering, McKay and Curnow are 30+.

And the club is lining up for it’s 5th premiership on the trot.

 

[Dramoth]

That draft is really coming back to haunt us now...

It wasn’t the players. It was one coach.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Petracca would certainly make us better, but can't see any of our gun talls departing

If anything you would look at moving on a mid or 2

Welcome back. Did you happen to see a twice extinct marsupial whilst meandering through the desert?