List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Blue_Fusion]

We have too many mids that can't hit an i50 target... Kennedy is unfortunately the worst of them in that regard.

Yes, he's a great team player, plays wherever, but really what's his alternative? "Nah, Vossy, I don't wanna play forward this week" come on...

He was visibly pissed off at being subbed out, which I totally get given there were at least 5 other blokes that should've been given the vest ahead of him... the outcome of the game didn't hinge on that decision though...

His versatility is likely to be his most attractive trait for other clubs. If we aren't satisfied with what they're offering for him, he will remain a Carlton player as he is still contracted.

Think about this though, come opening round 2025 our forwards will likely be a mix of:

Harry, Charlie, Williams, JSOS, Kemp, Moir, Fogarty, Motlop (assuming Owies is gone too)

Our backs:

Weiters, Newman, Saad, Gov, Haynes, Cowan, new KPD (of course assuming we have a new KPD lined up in light of encouraging Young to look elsewhere)

So that means he can only play mid... that means:

Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra, Kennedy as the mainstays

That mix is not working. The club have rightly identified this.

 

[Doro]

SDK would be well worth a call if he's gettable. Surprised to hear his name come up, though much of the silly season is fake news. He hasn't been great since the flag year, so a change of scene might help. Our backline instantly looks a whole lot more solid with his addition.

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah Kemp gets the third tall forward spot for me. I think JSOS is going to find it hard to get in the best 22 outside of injuries. I also don’t think he can play in defence. One of the more intriguing players heading into 2025 for me.

I see it similar

I hope they don't put Kemp back again

 

[carlton_99]

I really like Zita but he's gone a bit OTT here

 

[SurreyBlue]

Yeah Kemp gets the third tall forward spot for me. I think JSOS is going to find it hard to get in the best 22 outside of injuries. I also don’t think he can play in defence. One of the more intriguing players heading into 2025 for me.

I think JSoS will be 3rd tall. I also feel Kemp can play other positions, ie. 3rd back or midfield.
Having options but will our coaches utilise them? I seriously have concerns now.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Something Walsh needs to address as he’s up at the wrong end of this category too.

With a more outside role, I suspect there'll be more improvement to this.

He's struggling playing inside. The new rule has hurt him. He has a big engine and is an accumulator. The only reason you'd play him inside is because he had a great ability to absorb a tackle and get his hands free to dish off a hb. He can't do that now, he's not afforded the time to fend off tackles with the new htb rule. He knows this so now he's rushing disposal... plus his back clearly didn't hold up.

 

[DangerousD]

There will be a squeeze in a number of positions

Kemp v Jsos, only one will likely be used as a forward. I also don't think Jsos can play as a KPD or 3rd tall defender

I’m convinced one will leave come the end of 25.

Regardless of history or anything else, if at the end of next year, one is stuck in the 2s, I think they will go.

 

[JJBagger]

I really like Zita but he's gone a bit OTT here

Yeah, not a fan of journos being this strong with their personal opinions either. That’s not their job

 

[skadoosh]

I like the way Kennedy plays hard - he's a booming kick and a strong mark.

However, as evidenced by the season...we can't afford to play Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy in the same midfield. Kennedy has said he sees himself as a midfielder. Sounds like both parties are in agreeance that it's in his best interests to find a team who wants him as a midfielder.

Cripps isn't leaving. So it's out of Kennedy vs Hewett as to who takes the other midfielder spot....
It's not an easy decision, but it is a decision which needed to be made.

 

[Doro]

With a more outside role, I suspect there'll be more improvement to this.

He's struggling playing inside. The new rule has hurt him. He has a big engine and is an accumulator. The only reason you'd play him inside is because he had a great ability to absorb a tackle and get his hands free to dish off a hb. He can't do that now, he's not afforded the time to fend off tackles with the new htb rule. He knows this so now he's rushing disposal... plus his back clearly didn't hold up.

The club and Sam wouldn't mention it, but his finals last year to his season this year was chalk and cheese. He had no power in the clinches. We'll see how Inness goes with him.

 

[carlton_99]

Yeah, not a fan of journos being this strong with their personal opinions either. That’s not their job

I don't mind the personal opinion as it is just on his Twitter account not like an article or anything written for Fox. But, that makes it sound like we dragged him forcibly from the hospital to the plane by the hair

 

[Arr0w]

I think JSoS will be 3rd tall. I also feel Kemp can play other positions, ie. 3rd back or midfield.
Having options but will our coaches utilise them? I seriously have concerns now.

Best way to determine who plays where and whether the coaches understand the player's strengths, lay out a best 22, I suspect good players don't make the cut

 

[HarryFlashman]

We are going to have to find a proper damaging small forward.
I think there’s a chance that with rotations (& 2nd jobs) we can field a very tall heavy forward line up that has Kemp, JSOS, Moir, Charlie, Harry, Williams - JSOS is pound for pound is our best pressure player halving one on ones & locking a ball in, Williams is clean & creative around the ball, Kemp I think will only get better on the loose ball and showed a lot working his ass off, Moir looks to have some serious tricks up his sleeve & is dangerous off both feet - you need a speedy/talented as **** small as well to make that work.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I think JSoS will be 3rd tall. I also feel Kemp can play other positions, ie. 3rd back or midfield.
Having options but will our coaches utilise them? I seriously have concerns now.

Kemp is completely untried in the midfield at this level. He’s also not made it as a defender. I think he deserves the opportunity to be settled in one position rather than moved around again. He also has more flexibility than JSOS as if a Gov or (Haynes) gets injured he can go back and play the intercept role. I think he gets first crack as third tall over JSOS.

 

[The Bighouse]

Disappointed isn't the word for me.

The pain that I have for this decision makes me question the $3500 I channeled into the football club (membership, merch, function tickets, etc ) this year.

It's just absurd.

He’s far from a polished product and apart from being a good clubman, is certainly expendable for his on-field shortfalls, especially if we have other targets and collateral is required.

Could he be a welcome addition to NMFC (another, along with Owies ), or MFC, STK, down the highway at GFC or even a replacement at WBD’s?

 

[djw1952]

I think he slides, but on the cusp of the first group

Hey Arr0w: do you think that the Owies decision could be connected to the Port/Houston deal, as Port are supposed to be looking at bringing in small forwards for next season, so perhaps Carlton is trying to help with the Houston deal by sending him Ports way as well as a first rounder? (how they get an extra one of those is a puzzle though?!!) Just wondering why Carlton would push Owies out the door unless it is part of something bigger they are cooking up......

 

[BlueTongue]

I am extremely disappointed with the decision on Kennedy.
One of our very few mids that can kick a goal and take an overhead mark.

Nevermind, we still have Fantasia.....

Yeah. Way to blow up a club's culture. Still, Vossy knows best.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

We seriously could bring in Jesus Christ and journos would still find a way to pick us apart.

 

[BlueTongue]

Yep. He won't do anything to solve our problems on the field so why keep him. I'm glad to see the club starting to get ruthless and culling fringe players.

OK. If we accept this as the new norm, the please explain WTF Fantasia is still doing on the list. Has contributed in no way and I'd rather keep any one of the 3 that have been told to look elsewere.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

My suggested plan for Austin that I wrote up before seeing the news from Mitch Cleary.

Carlton 2024/25 list changes​

Out​

Delist​

• Martin
• Marchbank
• Cuningham
• Akuei (r - b)
• Mirkov (r)
• Durdin (r)

Trade​

• Owies
• Carroll
• Durdin
• Motlop

Creates 7 senior list spots + 2 rookie list A spots + 1 rookie list B spot

List changes​

• Boyd upgrade to senior list (move him to the forward line, effectively takes the C Durdin spot)
• Lord retain rookie (takes the Boyd list spot)
• Duffy b rookie (takes the Akuei spot)

Leaves 6 senior list spots + 2 rookie list A spots + 0 rookie B spots

Trade out Owies, Carroll, C Durdin and Motlop to create the capital to trade for Houston (+F1) and ensure we get two picks before B. Camporeale and then match the bid.

Sign Free Agent​

• Haynes (Take the Marchbank spot)

Trade-In​

• Houston (With Owies out, Williams moves forward, Houston replaces Williams spot in defence)

Draft​

• Berry (Cuningham)
• Hannaford (Martin)
• B Camporeale (Carroll)
• Gerreyn (is a KPF/2nd Ruck, effectively takes Mirkov’s role but Motlop’s senior list spot)

Rookie​

• L Camporeale (Mirkov list spot)
• Charlie McCartin (or whoever is the best ready-made KPD outside the AFL) (S Durdin)

Senior Side​

B: Young Weitering Saad
HB: Houston McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Walsh McKay Fogarty
F: Williams Curnow Berry
Foll: TDK Cerra Hewett
I/C: Cowan Cottrell E Hollands Silvagni Moir

Reserves​

B: Lemmey McCartin Wilson
HB: Hollands Haynes Cincotta
C: Binns B Camporeale L Camporeale
HF: Fantasia Gerreyn Boyd
F: Hannaford O’Keeffe Kemp
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Lord
I/C: M Carroll Monahan Duffy

Why are we better in 2025?​

Most of the improvement will come from having a healthier list. By losing the relentlessly injured players from the list we should develop greater cohesion in the squad. Players can be groomed to play their roles in successful sides in the 1s and 2s. For each role in the 1s, there is someone playing the understudy role in the 2s. They can provide both pressure to perform as a legitimate alternative or be able to step into the role in the event of injuries.

This year we had too many players who were unpickable due to being injured or just way off the standard (Mirkov, Monahan, Akuei).

Backs​

Houston, Saad, McGovern and Newman should be able to provide the rebound out of defence, while I think we just have to hope that Young steps up in the 2nd KPD role, or Lemmey has a huge preseason and leaps into the role.

Mids​

The midfield won’t change much, with the lack of pace proving an ongoing concern, but if Cerra can return to his 2023 form combined with releasing Walsh back into the role of starting forward and then roaming wherever he likes to link up play, we can certainly step up from what was produced this year. TDK is the big X Factor. If he plays a year like he did that month in the middle of the season, we suddenly become a dominant clearance side again.

Forwards​

Up forward, a fit Charlie will help but mostly we saw the importance of being willing to kick to the best option instead of defaulting to lobbing it on Harry and Charlie’s heads all the time. This motivates the forwards to work to create multiple legitimate options and we saw the damage Williams was able to do when playing forward. He was easily the best inside 50 kick in the team and much more opportunistic with ground balls. Add another very clever forward in Berry who can finish his work, Moir getting fitter and Fogarty maintaining the rage with his tackling, I think our forward line looks much more threatening than what we fielded this year.

Apply some scoreboard pressure, get some wins and the team gels to return to the side that was top 2 in round 19.

The following year looks like prioritising a powerful midfielder and KPD in the draft.

Compared to my plan of trading Motlop and C Durdin, list management obviously think Kennedy and Young are more easily replaced/offer better trade value.

I was looking to draft Berry and Hannaford to replace Motlop and Durdin.
Going by the rumours, we could be interested in drafting Jesse Dattoli (replace Kennedy) and Clancy Dennis (replace Young).
I prefer my plan and think it makes us more competitive next year. It seems like they’re really hoping that Lemmey will go back to defence and have a breakout year in the absence of Young.


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[Arr0w]

Hey Arr0w: do you think that the Owies decision could be connected to the Port/Houston deal, as Port are supposed to be looking at bringing in small forwards for next season, so perhaps Carlton is trying to help with the Houston deal by sending him Ports way as well as a first rounder? (how they get an extra one of those is a puzzle though?!!) Just wondering why Carlton would push Owies out the door unless it is part of something bigger they are cooking up......

Apart from Haynes and Houston, I think we have our eyes on a ready made small forward and KPD

A couple small forwards come to mind, no firm idea on the KPD

 

[SurreyBlue]

Kemp is completely untried in the midfield at this level. He’s also not made it as a defender. I think he deserves the opportunity to be settled in one position rather than moved around again. He also has more flexibility than JSOS as if a Gov or (Haynes) gets injured he can go back and play the intercept role. I think he gets first crack as third tall over JSOS.

Kemp deserves the opportunity to also play the intercept defender role.
Also deserves to be given an opportunity further up the ground where he can use his size and athleticism to advantage.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Trading Kennedy this year makes sense, whilst he has currency, he’ll be an UFA next year…

Young and Owies are harder to swallow, because we lack depth in their position… You’d hope we are bringing in upgrades…

If we’re trading all these players, to get another first rounder, to pay Port 2x Firsts for Huston, I’ll absolutely spew…

I’m happy to trade any players, to upgrade our list and upgrade players in positions of need, but not to ruin our depth for 1 player…

 

[Opium]

Yeah, not a fan of journos being this strong with their personal opinions either. That’s not their job

He's quoted facts. What is the issue with his post?

 

[Blue By Blood]

Kemp deserves the opportunity to also play the intercept defender role.
Also deserves to be given an opportunity further up the ground where he can use his size and athleticism to advantage.

The club is already ok with moving on Kennedy as we have too many inside mids and you want Kemp to be thrown in there too? It could work out but I’d much rather settle him forward where he looks way more natural than in defence. He can run and jump and utilise his natural assets. In defence he still tries to mark instead of spoil and he has a hard time curbing his natural instincts. He may also make it as an intercepting defender but the alleged acquisition of Haynes to me suggests they prefer Kemp forward and will persist with that. Forward is the go for him. Third tall and pushing up a bit higher. The bigger issue is getting some quicker, more dangerous smalls at the feet of Charlie, Harry and Kemp to balance it out.