Draft/Trade Talk Only Thread

[Butane]

McMahon has requested to be traded to a Sth Aust club to be with his G/F and child. Let the bidding begin!

Adelaide = pick 8/9?
Port = pick 13/14?

Do you think Port would give us one their first round picks for McMahon. Its hard to judge McMahon's value. His value in our team is limited, but in another team its possible he's what they are after. But for the record....i can't see us getting a first rounder for him, specially if he has asked to be traded.

 

[Go_Dogs]

If it's true that he has requested a move, I'm pretty cut about it - he's been an exciting player to watch, and I'm positive McMahon will blossom into a star AFL player as he was at the start of the year (His first 6 rounds were superb).

If we have to trade him, we'll want to secure a good player for him, or perhaps an early draft pick. Players that I would be interested include;

Adelaide:
Meesen + 3rd Rounder
Reilly
Knights

Port Adelaide:
Surjan
Salopek
Lower + 2nd Rounder

or something along those lines perhaps.

He's certainly worth quite a bit, young 100 game player - and he'd add alot to either side I feel.

 

[Butane]

I was thinking Port might be a good option. They have possibly the best list of young players in the competition and might not need to have an early dip in the draft + there first round pick isn't all that high, so its not as if we are asking for a top 10 pick. I think we would have to bundle something like McMahon+4th round pick + swap our 3rd round selections around(that would be a massive swap of something like 38 for 53). What ever it will be, i'm sure its going to be complex. Actually come to think of it, we would get ripped off doing that.

 

[scooter600x]

I was thinking Port might be a good option. They have possibly the best list of young players in the competition and might not need to have an early dip in the draft + there first round pick isn't all that high, so its not as if we are asking for a top 10 pick. I think we would have to bundle something like McMahon+4th round pick + swap our 3rd round selections around(that would be a massive swap of something like 38 for 53). What ever it will be, i'm sure its going to be complex. Actually come to think of it, we would get ripped off doing that.

The Crows best three midfielders are all 30+ - Edwards, Goodwin and McLeod (I know McLeod's been playing half back but he plays it like an extra midfielder) - and Riscuitto has given it away.

They would be a chance to want instant impact rather than wait for a 17yo to get 50 games under his belt.

Supporters overrate draft picks because we're naturally optimistic - we think they'll all be superstars - but the reality is most end up battling. McMahon would be a guaranteed good player for 100+ games, a mid-late first rounder might be. The draft pick might also be a 200+ gamer (take away his first 50 while he's still finding his feet) but he might also be Lawrence Angwin, Tom Gilligan or Lance Piccione, or Bowen Lockwood, Barry Brooks or Paul Koulouriotis.*

* All these guys were first rounders drafted by Port or the Crows.

 

[lifelike_]

Adelaide:
Meesen + 3rd Rounder
Reilly
Knights

Port Adelaide:
Surjan
Salopek
Lower + 2nd Rounder

or something along those lines perhaps.

He's certainly worth quite a bit, young 100 game player - and he'd add alot to either side I feel.

If we got Reilly for McMahon I'd be very happy. Reilly will be a star, and IMO Reilly > McMahon.

If we did deal with the Crows, I imagine Mattner would be part of the deal. Craig's wasted him on the half back flank/back pocket this year. He's an attacking wingman (and for those playing at home, not a downhill skier). If we did pick him up he'd be a solid addition.

 

[stefoid]

well, theres our extra bargaining chip then. his head hasnt been right for most of this year and it doesnt look like he has been enjoying his footy.

I wonder who will get 23? thats the number I wear. (simon atkins)

it would be an opportune time to trade player for player, in my opinion. a credible small for a credible tall.

or if we are going the 'must get fev or charman' route, trade for a 1st rounder, possibly by throwing in our 3rd rounder, and offer up our two first roudners for the big fish.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Please no....not Mattner. If the club chases him, I'd almost consider stopping supporting them. I watch the Crows almost every week, and he's someone I don't want us anywhere near. Hopeless awareness, can't kick, can't handball, overrated speed, puts his head down and gets tackled everytime he carries the ball, overrated defensive efforts. Simply put, he's not up to the leve imo.

 

[Butane]

We should apply for extra salary cap to keep our playes from wanting to go home like McMahon *Cough Sydney Cough Brisbane*

I mean Sydney basically get Hall for free!

Anyway, back on topic. The more i look at Jordy's career the more i think getting Port's pick 14/15 is actually feasible. He's young(just 24), has played over 100 games, and has averaged 19 touches a game for 3 years. Including this year in what was a poor season by his standards.

 

[G-Mo77]

He's had an ordinary year, first half was good but everyone will remember the second half. Also he apparently wants to go back home. In all honesty we will get very little for him unless there is a decent player from Adelaide or Port tat wants to come back to Vic.

 

[Go_Dogs]

McMahon certainly commands more value than your giving him credit for G-Mo77. He's a young, first round draft pick whose now played over 100 games and is entering his prime years. We've invested a good 7 years in Jordie (could be more than that now) only to miss out on his best football - and believe me his best is VERY good. We've seen this on display this year, and over the past 3 years. He's definitely worth a bit, imo.

 

[G-Mo77]

McMahon certainly commands more value than your giving him credit for G-Mo77. He's a young, first round draft pick whose now played over 100 games and is entering his prime years. We've invested a good 7 years in Jordie (could be more than that now) only to miss out on his best football - and believe me his best is VERY good. We've seen this on display this year, and over the past 3 years. He's definitely worth a bit, imo.

I think he has great value but right now it would be at it's lowest. I hope I'm very wrong about this and we get something better or equal value but I can see us getting shafted on sending McMahon home.

 

[crowman_23]

If we got Reilly for McMahon I'd be very happy. Reilly will be a star, and IMO Reilly > McMahon.

If we did deal with the Crows, I imagine Mattner would be part of the deal. Craig's wasted him on the half back flank/back pocket this year. He's an attacking wingman (and for those playing at home, not a downhill skier). If we did pick him up he'd be a solid addition.

Would be absolutely no chance of getting Reilly, is a future star of the club and will not be traded. IMO Mattner would be a very good pick-up for any side as Neil Craig refuses to play him where he is a dangerous, damaging player.

All reports suggest that John Meesen wants to go home to Melbourne and we all know the Bulldogs need some talls, so if McMahon wanted to go back to SA it would not surprise me at all if a deal was done involving Meesen and a late draft pick.

 

[Go_Dogs]

If McMahon can play a flashy outside role on the side of the Crows tough on ball brigade, you guys would look a million dollars. Meesen could be the one that we look at - he's nearly there to step up and command a regular senior spot . I think we'd want about a 3rd round pick to accompany him though, if he were being traded for McMahon.

 

[Captain Sensible]

All reports suggest that John Meesen wants to go home to Melbourne and we all know the Bulldogs need some talls, so if McMahon wanted to go back to SA it would not surprise me at all if a deal was done involving Meesen and a late draft pick.

I understand that Meeson signed a one year contract last year on the proviso that if it didnt work out then he would be traded home-similiar to Shane Birss did with us the year before.

I'd be happy with a Meeson/draft pick for MacMahon. After all we are over a barrel.

 

[scooter600x]

Would be absolutely no chance of getting Reilly, is a future star of the club and will not be traded. IMO Mattner would be a very good pick-up for any side as Neil Craig refuses to play him where he is a dangerous, damaging player.

All reports suggest that John Meesen wants to go home to Melbourne and we all know the Bulldogs need some talls, so if McMahon wanted to go back to SA it would not surprise me at all if a deal was done involving Meesen and a late draft pick.

It wouldn't want to be too late a draft pick. About pick 27 I reckon.

 

[G-Mo77]

Is Meesan any good or is he just a tall stiff?

 

[ErnieSigley]

It wouldn't want to be too late a draft pick. About pick 27 I reckon.

So McMahon for Meeson and a 2nd round? Is that asking a bit much?

 

[Go_Dogs]

Not sure that the Crows will give up a second round as well - although Craig would be aware of the quality of player he's getting, so I don't think it's too much of an unreasonable stretch. Crows supporters and Meesen Fanboys might not like it too much, but it's a pretty accurate guide to how much their both worth I think.

Messen has potential to become a good ruckmen/forward, however due to injury/attitude hasn't quite taken the steps that he needed to. With Griffen/Maric/Tippet coming through, along with Hudson and Biglands, the Crows have plenty of options and Messen seems to be the bottom of the heap atm. He's showed some encouraging signs over the past 2 years with Norwood in the SANFL where he has often led the ruck. His form for the Crows in his first few AFL games have been average, but that is to be expected really. Given that he's almost ready to step up and play, and is probably a better natural ruck than Big Will, he'd add a lot to our list I think.

 

[stefoid]

both clubs would take macmahon in a second if the price was right (for them)

we got aker for a 2nd rounder, so that will give you some idea of what you can do at the trade table when your options are limited. if there is a bunfight between the two SA clubs for macmahons services, then we could get a first rounder, given macmahons age.

if one club says -'nah....' then its bendover time for us.

what about a deal with port for tredrea?

 

[murphy2bedabest]

both clubs would take macmahon in a second if the price was right (for them)

we got aker for a 2nd rounder, so that will give you some idea of what you can do at the trade table when your options are limited. if there is a bunfight between the two SA clubs for macmahons services, then we could get a first rounder, given macmahons age.

if one club says -'nah....' then its bendover time for us.

what about a deal with port for tredrea?

we got aker for a 2nd rounder because we agreed to pay him out of his lions contract, if the lions had to pay him out for this year we would have given more.
plus the fact is aker is 30 plus and past his prime, even though McMahon has had a poor 2007 he his a good footballer and is about to hit his prime.

btw didnt he say this year that he now call melbourne home, yeah but maybe what is happening with his GF and daughter hasn't had his head right with playing footy

 

[stefoid]

we got aker for a 2nd rounder because we agreed to pay him out of his lions contract, if the lions had to pay him out for this year we would have given more.
plus the fact is aker is 30 plus and past his prime, even though McMahon has had a poor 2007 he his a good footballer and is about to hit his prime.

btw didnt he say this year that he now call melbourne home, yeah but maybe what is happening with his GF and daughter hasn't had his head right with playing footy

not many clubs are going to trade someone to you who is still in contract and pay them to play for you. unless they really, really want to get the guy off the list "hello patty bowden!"

id say aker and macmahon would be on a par at the trade table - age vs superstar status.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

Interesting.

I suppose it depends on a lot of things, such as how adamant McMahon is about going home (which you'd think he would be very) & how much the Crows/Power rate him.

Going for Meesen seems a risk to me, he really hasn't looked too good in his first couple of games. I know it's too hard to tell at this stage, but that's the point. He hasn't proved himself at all. He's just a tall, young & developing ruckmen. McMahon is a proven quality player and could add a lot to Port/Crows.

It's a shame The Crows wouldn't consider Rielly, he's exactly the type we need. Are there any other players, from either The Crows OR Port, in the Rielly mould that could fill a role in our side? Surjan is worth a look at, any others?

If the rumour is true, Meesen would seem a logical trade since we're running very low on ruckmen. That is, unless Port are able to offer something better ... but we really are in dire need of a ruckmen. It doesn't leave us with a whole lot of options.

 

[Captain Sensible]

We do owe Port a favour. They took Peter Rohde off our hands.

 

[Portia]

For reference, at last bids, Port didn't want to give up more than a third-round pick for Jordan Russell last year, even with him being uncontracted and shouting his intention to move back to SA.

 

[OldSchool]

For reference, at last bids, Port didn't want to give up more than a third-round pick for Jordan Russell last year, even with him being uncontracted and shouting his intention to move back to SA.

Would Symes be up for a trade?