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[Fat Jesus]

Just leave it the way it is. Seems to be working. I've changed my mind recently from 5 on the bench to 4 and the sub.

 

[doppleganger]

Do you really need huge contested 1 on 1 KPDs anymore?

IMHO the zone defensive structures and intercepting means we are better served by having athletic players who can read the ball as our defenders.

Go small and have the likes of WHE, Howe, Maynard, IQ as the mid sized intercept players who we accept will be undetsized gping up against a taller opponent. Sure they may struggle if left alone 1 on 1, but how often does that actually happen these days?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

B: Maynard Dean Howe
HB: Houston Moore Crisp
C: Quaynor N Daicos J Daicos
HF McCreery McStay Elliott
FF: Schultz Mihocek Hill
R: DeGoey Perryman Cameron
I: Pendlebury Sidebottom Cox Allan
Sub: WHE

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Do you really need huge contested 1 on 1 KPDs anymore?

IMHO the zone defensive structures and intercepting means we are better served by having athletic players who can read the ball as our defenders.

Go small and have the likes of WHE, Howe, Maynard, IQ as the mid sized intercept players who we accept will be undetsized gping up against a taller opponent. Sure they may struggle if left alone 1 on 1, but how often does that actually happen these days?

No you don't.

Teams score far more from space and fast break than they do from 1v1 or pack marks.
i would bet the actual 1v1's a defender is involved in would be far far lower than people realise.

You need some level of height and athleticism.
But that's to cover ground and make a contest.
Not because they are wrestling in the goal square.
Those days are gone.

When we got cut up last year it was due to midfield accountability.
not defenders losing 1v1.

If our defenders get caught out 1v1, its more of a system breakdown than by design.
It will happen, but its never going to be the reason we win or lose.

Playing two ruckman so one can play defensively helps with this problem immensely.
It why Cox/Cameron is still our best structure.

 

[sr36]

Do you really need huge contested 1 on 1 KPDs anymore?

IMHO the zone defensive structures and intercepting means we are better served by having athletic players who can read the ball as our defenders.

Go small and have the likes of WHE, Howe, Maynard, IQ as the mid sized intercept players who we accept will be undetsized gping up against a taller opponent. Sure they may struggle if left alone 1 on 1, but how often does that actually happen these days?

Yeah, I'm never concerned when it's Moore, Howe and Maynard playing as our talls. Most of 2023 it was just Moore, Murphy and Bruzzy.

 

[Eric Shin]

B: Maynard - Moore - Quaynor

HB: Crisp - Howe - Houston

C: Lipinski - Perryman - J. Daicos

HF: Elliot - Mihocek - Schultz

F: De Goey - McStay - Hill

R: Cameron - N. Daicos - Allan

Int: Pendlebury, Cox, McCreery, Hoskin-Elliot

Sub: Mitchell

E: Sidebottom, Membrey, Frampton

Depth:
Dean, McInnes, Parker, Macrae, Ryan, Jiath, Sullivan, Long, Steene, Smit, Harrison (inj), Markov [?], Johnson [?], Condon [?], 2-3 rookies


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[rdangelo]

Maynard Frampton Howe
Housten Moore Crisp
J.Daicos DeGoey Perryman
Elliott Mihocek Membery
Hill McStay Schultz
Cameron N.Daicos Mitchell

Quaynor Pendlebury Sidebottom McCreery Allan

Thats our best team. Crisp and Housten ball use off half-back. J. Daicos back to the wing, Membery forward and can play behind the ball.

 

[MoreMoore]

B: Maynard - Frampton - Quaynor

HB: Crisp - Moore - Houston

C: WHE - Perryman - J. Daicos

HF: McReery - Mihocek - Schultz

F: Elliot - McStay - Hill

R: Cameron - N. Daicos - DeGoey

Int: Pendlebury, Howe, Allan, Sidebottom, Mitchell

Emg. Cox Membry Reef
Probably rotating Pendles, Sidey, Allan and Titch as sub

 

[hollyfasolo]

McStay an option to play CHB?

i like mihocek an option back and membrey mcstay forward

 

[Jelly Bean]

Do you really need huge contested 1 on 1 KPDs anymore?

IMHO the zone defensive structures and intercepting means we are better served by having athletic players who can read the ball as our defenders.

Go small and have the likes of WHE, Howe, Maynard, IQ as the mid sized intercept players who we accept will be undetsized gping up against a taller opponent. Sure they may struggle if left alone 1 on 1, but how often does that actually happen these days?

If you aren't sure whether you need shut down KPDs anymore, look no further than the difference between having Murphy in 2023, and not having him in 2024. Moore was so often exposed because he was caught between two KPFs.

 

[doppleganger]

If you aren't sure whether you need shut down KPDs anymore, look no further than the difference between having Murphy in 2023, and not having him in 2024. Moore was so often exposed because he was caught between two KPFs.

Murph listed as 188cm on draft guru site, smaller than Crisp and Howe. He was not a big shut down KPD. His skill was reading the play and helping out.

Not being able to replace his role hurt, but Ryan and Jiath are kids who will be groomed to play a similar role in future and WHE actually did it ok late in the season when thrown back.

We dont need a big lump of a KPD.

 

[sr36]

If you aren't sure whether you need shut down KPDs anymore, look no further than the difference between having Murphy in 2023, and not having him in 2024. Moore was so often exposed because he was caught between two KPFs.

I think the difference was that Frampton played as a shut down defender, whereas we were better off with Murphy's style which was more like Moore and Howe with lots of peeling off your man to interrupt attacks.

 

[windchimes]

B: Maynard - Moore - Quaynor

HB: Crisp - Howe - Houston

C: Lipinski - Perryman - J. Daicos

HF: Elliot - Mihocek - Schultz

F: De Goey - McStay - Hill

R: Cameron - N. Daicos - Allan

Int: Pendlebury, Cox, McCreery, Hoskin-Elliot

Sub: Mitchell

E: Sidebottom, Membrey, Frampton

Depth:
Dean, McInnes, Parker, Macrae, Ryan, Jiath, Sullivan, Long, Steene, Smit, Harrison (inj), Markov [?], Johnson [?], Condon [?], 2-3 rookies


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Sub Sidey in for Allan and I reckon that’s probably the first choice team that the coaches would line up with in round 1 should we have everyone fit.

Hopefully Allan can come in and cement a spot this year.

I reckon our depth looks OK, but a good run with injuries would go a long way for once.

 

[doppleganger]

Sub Sidey in for Allan and I reckon that’s probably the first choice team that the coaches would line up with in round 1 should we have everyone fit.

Hopefully Allan can come in and cement a spot this year.

I reckon our depth looks OK, but a good run with injuries would go a long way for once.

Play Allan as a main centre square inside mid in the pre-season and see how he holds his own against the likes of Mitch, Naicos, Pendles, Perryman and DeGoey.

If he does well, give him a run in the seniors and force the older brigade to push him back out.

 

[Jen2310]

Play Allan as a main centre square inside mid in the pre-season and see how he holds his own against the likes of Mitch, Naicos, Pendles, Perryman and DeGoey.

If he does well, give him a run in the seniors and force the older brigade to push him back out.

He'll have some opportunity with the intraclub and pre-season games. If they play him in Team A. I'll keep an eye out on his pre-season.

 

[doppleganger]

I think the difference was that Frampton played as a shut down defender, whereas we were better off with Murphy's style which was more like Moore and Howe with lots of peeling off your man to interrupt attacks.

Yes - we look better when we have a group on interchangeable 185-190cm atheletic defenders who zone off and intercept and then have Moore.

Howe, Maynard, IQ, WHE, Jiath, Ryan - reckon we have 4 of them in our back group with Moore. And then have a couple of runners....Houston / Crisp / Sidey etc.

 

[cfc19902010]

Maynard Frampton Howe
Housten Moore Crisp
J.Daicos DeGoey Perryman
Elliott Mihocek Membery
Hill McStay Schultz
Cameron N.Daicos Mitchell

Quaynor Pendlebury Sidebottom McCreery Allan

Thats our best team. Crisp and Housten ball use off half-back. J. Daicos back to the wing, Membery forward and can play behind the ball.

WHE?
I’d prefer hosk for versatility to membrey

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

from our 2023 GF winning side:

B: Murphy Dean, Moore, Howe
HB: Maynard, Frampton Houston, Quaynor
C: Sidey, Pendles, Markov Schultz
HF: Hill, Checkers, Elliott
F: Beau, De Goey, Jaicos
R: Cox McStay, Naicos, Crisp
INT: Titch, Cameron, WHE, Ginni Perryman, Lippa

Schultz is too slow to play on the wing.

 

[celestial]

I suppose collingwood may choose a horses for courses approach when it comes to choosing kpd combinations.

When playing against oppositions like Carlton, hawthorn, eagles geelong ,north, sydney and the dogs, you definitely would need frampton and moore in the backline.

Whilst playing teams like essendon or dees, we could probably get away with just having moore as our sole kpd.

 

[sadako1999]

I completely forgot about the racing, I do apologise If i have offended you , was unintentional.

B: B.Maynard J.Howe J.Crisp
HB: I.Quaynor D.Moore S.Pendlebury
C: D.Houston N.Daicos J.Daicos
HF: L.Schultz B.Mihocek T.Membrey
F: J.Elliot D.McStay B.Hill
R: D.Cameron J.DeGoey H.Perryman
INT: (5 from T.Mitchell S.Sidebottom B.McCreery M.Cox B.Frampton W.Hoskin-Elliot)
EMERG P.Lipinski E.Allan

Flawless Victory - Fatality.

 

[ASDFASDFSA]

FB: Maynard, Frampton, Quaynor
HB: Howe, Moore, Houston
C: Daicos, Pendlebury, WHE
HF: Schultz, Mihocek, Hill
FF: Membrey, McStay, Elliot
R: Cameron, Daicos, De Goey
Int: Perryman, Mitchell, McReery, Crisp

Side getting hard to pick... Biggest weakness is still KPD. Think a midfield core of Daicos, De Goey, Perryman, Mitchell and Crisp will at least break even against the very best.

Think the side looks better with Howe as KPD, but that might not be viable against teams with larger KPFs. Don't think we need Howe to rebound when we already have Houston, Maynard, Quaynor, etc.

 

[cfc19902010]

FB: Maynard, Frampton, Quaynor
HB: Howe, Moore, Houston
C: Daicos, Pendlebury, WHE
HF: Schultz, Mihocek, Hill
FF: Membrey, McStay, Elliot
R: Cameron, Daicos, De Goey
Int: Perryman, Mitchell, McReery, Crisp

Side getting hard to pick... Biggest weakness is still KPD. Think a midfield core of Daicos, De Goey, Perryman, Mitchell and Crisp will at least break even against the very best.

Think the side looks better with Howe as KPD, but that might not be viable against teams with larger KPFs. Don't think we need Howe to rebound when we already have Houston, Maynard, Quaynor, etc.

Nice side

Allan in for mine tho
Membrey out and in case of injury

 

[celestial]

It sounded like fly was really keen on giving some of the older players a rest, but injuries made that impossible.
If we are able to maintain a relatively healthy list next year, I can see fly load managing some of the senior players throughtout the season.

Also no more playing young players out of their natural position. Playing allan on the wing in his debut was a mistake, he played so much better in the final game when he was allowed to play as a mid, which is his natural position .

We have to do the same with hdm, no more playing him across the half back line, full time mid only.

 

[Dtennent94]

Do we play two rucks this year? Cox is a really handy backup option to have for the ruck or to throw forward and disrupt defence setups. His stats alone don’t justify his selection among a pretty deep list, but his inclusion somehow just seems to make the team better. With the sub remaining, we can always sub on a runner for him or another tall late in the game if we are fortunate with no injuries. Without Cox, who should relieve Cameron?

Mitchell, Lipinski, WHE, Frampton/Dean, Membrey and even Sidey/Pendles are the other potential starters who have question marks over their place in our best side IMO. Hopefully Allan puts some pressure on those mids or perhaps Parker claims a spot down back and releases Crisp or Houston into more midfield time to improve the side.

What great problems to have!

 

[RobJD]

FB: Howe, Moore, Maynard

HB: Quaynor, Perryman, Houston

C: Sidebottom, Crisp, J.Daicos

HF: Schultz, Mihocek, McCreery

FF: Hill, Mcstay, Elliot

R: Cameron, N.Daicos, De Goey

INT: WHE, Cox, Lipinski, Mitchell, Pendlebury

Emerg: Frampton, Membrey, E.Allan

Interesting, that's effectively 5 new players into our best side over last years - assuming that:

• Mihochek/McStay barely played in the same side last year
• DeGoey/Mitchell were either injured or out for most of the year
• and the new additions of Perryman, Houston and Membrey.

Wonder if we'll initially give Membrey some time in the VFL to adjust to our game plan rather than have him potentially miss games as an emergency.

The interchange lacks speed, guess that's why they were so excited to get both Cochran and Hayes. My expectation is that Parker forces his way into the side, I have Lippa as borderline best 23