Is Phillips genuinely worse than Young?
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Might as well have a throw at the stumps for the season proper vs spare spot for MSD (hopeful late pick held diminishing the choice avail of talent). Obv impressed in pre-season training and we’re already short players in Newman & Cincotta. Another AFL ready body as well.
You could look at the below with some changes not being like-for-like but perhaps covered in previous drafts (Moir for Martin) or Mirkov’s 4th ruck spot replaced in the squad makeup.
Out. IN
Marchbank > HOF
Cuningham > L.Camporeale
Martin > Jagga
Kennedy > B.Camporeale
Owies > Evans
J.Carroll > Lord
Akuei > Duffy
Mirkov > Charleson
S.Durdin > Haynes
M.Carroll > M.Carroll
Not in the areas I prefer
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I like the comparison and right now I am extremely positive on the list changes.
Out. IN
Marchbank > HOF. - I like this kid, Marchbank was a let down, HOF I will be following intently
Cuningham > L.Camporeale. - potential for Lucas is huge, loved Cunnnningham, just not his body
Martin > Jagga. - what we need in the middle, all my chips are in, Martin was great when fit and injury free but that wasn’t often enough
Kennedy > B.Camporeale. - younge option and feel that Kennedy v Hewett someone had to move
Owies > Evans. - probably a tie but cheaper and the pick was needed
J.Carroll > Lord. - I didn’t mind Jack, Lord could be an upgrade, our midfield rotations and how to get this kid into them will be very interesting
Akuei > Duffy. - who knows
Mirkov > Charleson. - who knows
S.Durdin > Haynes. - Upgrade surely
M.Carroll > M.Carroll - that’s a wash
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He is unknown as we don’t know what we will get from him. 2023 was great. 2024 was awful.
I really hope you are right coz if Motlop kicks 35-45 goals we will win probably the flag.
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I'd take the 2025 version of M. Carroll over the 2024 version in a heartbeat. Huge improvement from just keeping Doc company for the year in the rehab rooms.
Had some other issues last year that are well past him. Happy, loving his footy and is fit. Massive upside in 2025.
I said "many teams"
So not very good then.
Well that’s what Hawthorn thought and obviously Austin/Carlton agree with them …
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Following in from the Francis Evans recruitment conversation vs taking a KPP.
I think we made the right call personally.
KPP and Rucks is a very delicate list balancing act, because of the limited amount of spots within the 22 and often versatility of these types of players.
Perfect example is Pittonet a good AFL level ruckman but when we play him with our two tall forwards and TDK we can be exposed for pace.
Similar situation is occuring at GWS at the moment. They have Jack Buckley, Sam Taylor and Himmelberg as the first choice KPD's which meant Haynes was missing out last year and Leek Aleer isn't getting a game who would be best 22 at a number of clubs.
We currently have two lock in tall forwards in McKay and Curnow. With a few third tall options and Lemmy as the backup who has been playing forward and back. Reality is a lot would have to go wrong to not have a tall option up forward (see late last season vs Westcoast and Saints) before depth is an issue with key forwards.
Key backs we have Weitering and Young plus a developing O'Farrell and Lemmy (again also forward). Plus a range of medium defenders who can play tall Hayes, JSOS/Kemp, McGovern, Cowan and Duffy developing. Keeping in mind Young struggled to get a game in 2024 it seems we prefer Weitering with 2-3 Medium defenders playing tall and small.
I don't think KPP depth or talent is our issue at all based on the above. But in saying that we probably need to look at long term prospects in the next few drafts post McKay, Curnow and Weitering hopefully many years from now.
Now when I look at our genuine small forwards.
We have Motlop who is largely unproven, FoG who is critical for me just for defensive pressure but struggles to impact the scoreboard and Williams who is still unknown. Is Francis Evans going to be the answer, I mean odds would say no. But do I think that is more of a need than KPP yes.
Players like Durdin, Cotts, Fantasia and Moir are more medium HF types for me. Not true crumbing smalls which is why I split out the two.
Summary I think we have a better list balance going into 2025.
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
The coaching/LM staff is there to assess the prospects and have a much better understanding of capabilities/depth etc
But from the outside looking in, would have been more comfortable with a Phillips or a McMahon on the list.
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Young is fine once he gets a run at it.
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Seems between the ears with him. Always looks like he’s second guessing himself or taking the ‘easy’ option.
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Yep, I reckon he is so worried about maintaining his place he panics.
Like Russell did towards the end of his time with us
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So long as he doesn’t stop & prop
I don't mind Young, but strangely plays better when Weitering is out
Although, wasn't too bad late in the season
I just wish he was more aggressive
Although, wasn't too bad late in the season
I just wish he was more aggressive
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Seems to be above the shoulders & below the ankles for Young.
Worries too much.
Kicks it too much.
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IMO we would rank bottom 4 in the league:
Adelaide: Rankine, Rachele, Keays, ANB
Brisbane: Cameron, Rayner, Lohnman, Ahchee
Collingwood: Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Schultz
Essendon: Perkins, Gresham, Kako, Guelfi
Fremantle: Bolton, Switkowski, Frederick, Walters
Geelong: Stengle, Close, Miers, Mannagh
Gold Coast: Rogers, Rosas, Long, Berry
GWS: Greene, Daniels, Jones, Stone
Hawthorn: Watson, Ginnivan, Moore, McDonald
Melbourne: Pickett, Chandler, Spargo, McAdam
North: Curtis, Zurhaar, Ford, Hansen
Port: Rioli, Berry, McEntee, Mead
Richmond: Mansell, Campbell, Rioli, Green
St Kilda: Higgin, Garcia, Butler, Collard
Sydney: Papley, Hayward, Adams, Wicks
West Coast: Ryan, Long, Owies, Cripps
Bulldogs: Weightman, West, Vandermeer, McNeil
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Has been more aggressive in match sim during the preseason, which may be him reacting to feedback.
I’m with you. Do t think he’s as bad as others say. KPD size. Mobile. Pretty good one on one. Has played some very good games without Weiters and at the end of 2024. Would love him to grow in confidence and lock down a position
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I’ll stand by my opinion that Young was good in the back half of last season and if he continues to play with a bit more urgency he can lockdown a spot in the 22
Me and my housemate both noticed he was quick to give the handball to a running player or kick to a relieving option
Me and my housemate both noticed he was quick to give the handball to a running player or kick to a relieving option
The main problem he has is when he gets the ball it’s always hurried leading to poor disposal and decision making.He needs to build his confidence.
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Fantasia and Elijah supply into the forward areas will help as well as kick a few themselves.
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