Preview 2025 Rd 5 Carlton vs West Coast Saturday 12th April 1.20PM AEST @ Adelaide Oval

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


4 changes!

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Don’t disagree but why should we need reinvigoration?

Every week there are good reasons we should do well but we never do. This is nearly 12 months of poor performances and we are something like 250 days without a win

I am really tired of the same crap yet expecting things to change. Until I actually see it happen I don’t trust this group anymore

More circuit break than reinvigorate

 

[Coops93]

He’s still a pup. I’d rather him get shrugged off making an attempt than not. We’ve got more than a few who don’t do either.
Kid always has a crack, I’ll back him to be a 200 gamer.
Seems to be one that’s going to have fingers pointed at him by those looking for a victim.

Hollands is an interesting one and I think the criticism he gets comes from not being the type of player we really needed or wanted, but drafted anyway.

His style of play is defensive running, structured winger. Which is great and he's very good at that role, which is why he's been at half back. Issue is, we drafted this type of player when every Carlton fan in the world can see we need dangerous attacking and creative outside runners. We got half that right, outside runner, but he's very limited in attack. He will likely be a very solid 200 gamer given he's a good role-playing winger that works hard. Unfortunately, we didn't need a role-playing winger at this point in time, we need attacking threats. Imo what he is, is a VERY Michael Voss (the coach) type of player. As is Cottell, as is Acres, as is Cincotta - limited talent-wise but blue collar effort types. Voss will play those guys over talent every single time.

Because of this, though, I think he gets unfair criticism. The lukewarm feeling towards him isn't his fault but rather the frustration is more towards the recruiters. Ollie is just the guy stuck in the middle.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

I disagree. Cannot imagine any complaining at all, no matter whether we win our next four. Or lose them all.

We are all just happy little vegemites, who are so proud of our great club.

Nobody is happy with 0/4.

Simply no point applying all of the blame on one person .

We clearly have an issue with football management across list management, coaching & player output.

Our next HOF appointment is clearly pivotal.

Changing the coach may give us a sugar hit - but it won’t fix our list issues or lack of depth in the coaching group!

 

[ctwenty1]

Whilst being staggered at Lord's omission, the only conclusion I can get to is that he is not following specific instructions or something of the like, otherwise it makes no sense.

McGovern and Docherty would want turn out something amazing this week, I really like the team this week aside from those two still being in the team. 4 weeks is a long enough for Match Committe to get an idea where both are at, which is nowhere near it....

The issue with McGovern and Doc is when they are dropped, they'll be dropped for awhile as they wont be coming back anytime soon. I suspect they are being given the maximum opportunity to run into some form.

Lord will come in an out of the side as required - not saying that is good for him, thats just the nature of his age and ulitmately his position

 

[goreds]

Hollands is an interesting one and I think the criticism he gets comes from not being the type of player we really needed or wanted, but drafted anyway.

His style of play is defensive running, structured winger. Which is great and he's very good at that role, which is why he's been at half back. Issue is, we drafted this type of player when every Carlton fan in the world can see we need dangerous attacking and creative outside runners. We got half that right, outside runner, but he's very limited in attack. He will likely be a very solid 200 gamer given he's a good role-playing winger that works hard. Unfortunately, we didn't need a role-playing winger at this point in time, we need attacking threats. Imo what he is, is a VERY Michael Voss (the coach) type of player. As is Cottell, as is Acres, as is Cincotta - limited talent-wise but blue collar effort types. Voss will play those guys over talent every single time.

Because of this, though, I think he gets unfair criticism. The lukewarm feeling towards him isn't his fault but rather the frustration is more towards the recruiters. Ollie is just the guy stuck in the middle.

The ‘blue collar effort types’ are just not cutting it for us. Cottrell I can understand as he hits the scoreboard and has a bit of mongrel.

I agree that Ollie was a poor selection and Voss is very limited with his options.

We have a 2 way running machine on the other wing already (Acres), we need a weapon or at least someone who can kick on the other.

 

[Coops93]

The ‘blue collar effort types’ are just not cutting it for us. Cottrell I can understand as he hits the scoreboard and has a bit of mongrel.

I agree that Ollie was a poor selection and Voss is very limited with his options.

We have a 2 way running machine on the other wing already (Acres), we need a weapon or at least someone who can kick on the other.

Thing is, in that same draft we drafted a creative attacking winger and he's been banished to the 2s for his whole career despite winning the VFL BnF.

Jaxson Binns isn't perfect and I'm conscious of the "The best player on the team is the guy not playing" type of mindset, but to me he really is the kind of winger/hff I want right now. His skill isn't perfect, but he is creative offensively. He tries the crafty kicks, the cheeky passes etc. Now he's not perfect, like I said despite the creative attacking mindset his skill can let him down, but right now I'd much rather someone try to be creative when going forward than just another blue collar 2 way runner.

Another I wouldn't be surprised asks for a trade by the end of the year. I think he'd have suitors as well. He's the type I could see thrive on the Suns in that Hardwick style attack.

 

[Magruder]

Anyone watch Hawthorn this time last year?

Couldn't move it, couldn't hit a target, had no overlap BUT they also struggled to defend turnover.

The same 'ball movement ladder' from this time last would probably have them sitting dead last.

This game can change fast, for better or worse.

 

[Arr0w]

Thing is, in that same draft we drafted a creative attacking winger and he's been banished to the 2s for his whole career despite winning the VFL BnF.

Jaxson Binns isn't perfect and I'm conscious of the "The best player on the team is the guy not playing" type of mindset, but to me he really is the kind of winger/hff I want right now. His skill isn't perfect, but he is creative offensively. He tries the crafty kicks, the cheeky passes etc. Now he's not perfect, like I said despite the creative attacking mindset his skill can let him down, but right now I'd much rather someone try to be creative when going forward than just another blue collar 2 way runner.

Another I wouldn't be surprised asks for a trade by the end of the year. I think he'd have suitors as well. He's the type I could see thrive on the Suns in that Hardwick style attack.

Binns was a poor selection at that range, his kicking was never strong from his junior years, still now they are to non dangerous areas, struggles to compete in 50/50 situations

I think Lucas will, if not already surpass him

 

[Soapy V]

Thing is, in that same draft we drafted a creative attacking winger and he's been banished to the 2s for his whole career despite winning the VFL BnF.

Jaxson Binns isn't perfect and I'm conscious of the "The best player on the team is the guy not playing" type of mindset, but to me he really is the kind of winger/hff I want right now. His skill isn't perfect, but he is creative offensively. He tries the crafty kicks, the cheeky passes etc. Now he's not perfect, like I said despite the creative attacking mindset his skill can let him down, but right now I'd much rather someone try to be creative when going forward than just another blue collar 2 way runner.

Another I wouldn't be surprised asks for a trade by the end of the year. I think he'd have suitors as well. He's the type I could see thrive on the Suns in that Hardwick style attack.

Yep. We can talk about "weaknesses" etc and reasons why a young player isn't picked BUT you can never truly be sure until they are given a decent run.

The way we use Lord, Binns, Lucas, Wilson, Moir etc is a disgrace. It's not like we have a winning side and it's hard to get a spot. Our senior perfromances are putrid yet young players are barely trusted. They are certainly no worse than what some senior players are offering. How does this help them?

David Parkin always said when he picked a young player it was with the thought of giving them at atleast 4 games in a row. Take the good with the bad and judge them over time not one quarter. Picking them and then dropping them (or these days as sub) makes it bloody hard to adjust, get confidence and feel part of it

 

[Soapy V]

Anyone watch Hawthorn this time last year?

Couldn't move it, couldn't hit a target, had no overlap BUT they also struggled to defend turnover.

The same 'ball movement ladder' from this time last would probably have them sitting dead last.

This game can change fast, for better or worse.

They were trying it just hadn't clicked. You could see they were well drilled, were trying and were playing to a structured plan. They were also a lot younger. It takes time. Crows feel a bit the same to me as do GCS. What they are trying to do is very clear

We aren't doing anything like that. Our focus is contest, win it and kick to next contest

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Hollands is an interesting one and I think the criticism he gets comes from not being the type of player we really needed or wanted, but drafted anyway.

His style of play is defensive running, structured winger. Which is great and he's very good at that role, which is why he's been at half back. Issue is, we drafted this type of player when every Carlton fan in the world can see we need dangerous attacking and creative outside runners. We got half that right, outside runner, but he's very limited in attack. He will likely be a very solid 200 gamer given he's a good role-playing winger that works hard. Unfortunately, we didn't need a role-playing winger at this point in time, we need attacking threats. Imo what he is, is a VERY Michael Voss (the coach) type of player. As is Cottell, as is Acres, as is Cincotta - limited talent-wise but blue collar effort types. Voss will play those guys over talent every single time.

Because of this, though, I think he gets unfair criticism. The lukewarm feeling towards him isn't his fault but rather the frustration is more towards the recruiters. Ollie is just the guy stuck in the middle.

All great points, but I think hindsight creates advantage, or at least blurs fact into narrative.
I’d like someone to name a player taken after Hollands in the 2022 draft that has demonstrated the traits that you’ve outlined above.
I can’t see one to this point. Jones from GWS being the closest, but there’d be concerns over his size at the time.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Don’t disagree but why should we need reinvigoration?

Every week there are good reasons we should do well but we never do. This is nearly 12 months of poor performances and we are something like 250 days without a win

I am really tired of the same crap yet expecting things to change. Until I actually see it happen I don’t trust this group anymore

After 4 rounds

 

[Sector 7G]

Whilst being staggered at Lord's omission, the only conclusion I can get to is that he is not following specific instructions or something of the like, otherwise it makes no sense.

McGovern and Docherty would want turn out something amazing this week, I really like the team this week aside from those two still being in the team. 4 weeks is a long enough for Match Committe to get an idea where both are at, which is nowhere near it....

While I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the replay, Lord got 4 touches after half time. Our midfield got smashed in the 3rd quarter. Rightly or wrongly he is the scapegoat. Think we are 1 midfielder short now

 

[HyphensBack]

I would like at least one of Harry, Charlie or Kemp being a kick away from the contest not our smallest forward - Fogarty, Motlop or Durdin

So annoying to see them being out marked so easily

 

[RAPPA]

It's a Sivagni trait, more often than not, they have serious/grumpy looks on their faces

Resting SOS face

 

[DamoESP]

You just know that Voss is gonna make Carroll the sub....when it should be Doc (who is bloody lucky that he is even still in the side)

 

[swuzzlebubble]

You just know that Voss is gonna make Carroll the sub....when it should be Doc (who is bloody lucky that he is even still in the side)

3 forwards on the named bench so probably one of them

 

[Bfevola]

Thats whats wrong with us and for a long time. We like goody good nice boys. We dont like extroverted guys. We dont like arrogant big time players. We have to coddle the nice boys otherwise they will get upset.

Buck up Carlton seriously. Doc while we all love him and he is heroic with all he has been though, should not be playing at the moment. McGovern who has been taking the absolute Pi## for ages now should be dropped.

So we rush McKay back in but not Hollands who actually showed something last week.

And our Captain Crippa, while he stays on the side obviously is also guilty of our current plight, just banging the ball on the boot and kicking blindly. I mean where is the leadership ?

 

[Gavstar]

Anyone watch Hawthorn this time last year?

Couldn't move it, couldn't hit a target, had no overlap BUT they also struggled to defend turnover.

The same 'ball movement ladder' from this time last would probably have them sitting dead last.

This game can change fast, for better or worse.

Longmire said a few weeks ago on Fox after the findings of the external review at Sydney, they took 3 weeks to devise and implement training around a new game plan.

 

[Red_man2008]

TEAM defence!

We are the best is the comp at stopping oppo team transition - a feather in our cap.

It’s not just about the back 6 of course.

Using Ollie to shut down oppo forwards comes at the cost of our own transition.

We are the AFL’s worst offensive team in transition!

Ollie time & time again is blown out of contests, turns the ball over in defensive positions.

He’s not a defender.

If you want to waste his run & carry by using him as a defensive tagger, it comes at too high a cost.

That’s why we are;

AFL #1 stopping oppo transition
AFL #18 in our own forward transition

What happens when you turn the ball over so often in transition - you lose!

We need better balance!

Id argue that outside of the Richmond game we’ve played the top 3 teams that run and carry. Therefore our data that says we’re number one at stopping this is on point. But our ability to offensively run and carry is hampered because we’re defending the opposition too much. Once we’ve played a few teams that are poor at this our data should improve in the offensive sense.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I would like at least one of Harry, Charlie or Kemp being a kick away from the contest not our smallest forward - Fogarty, Motlop or Durdin

So annoying to see them being out marked so easily

First time all 3 have played this year and having all 3 should allow for your request to be fulfilled - massive change to our team

 

[Accidental genius]

First time all 3 have played this year and having all 3 should allow for your request to be fulfilled - massive change to our team

H Charlie and kemp should have a field day tomorrow

 

[Soapy V]

H Charlie and kemp should have a field day tomorrow

NO EXCUSES this week. We are playing bottom side with close to our best side (on paper) this year and a low injury list

 

[Accidental genius]

NO EXCUSES this week. We are playing bottom side with close to our best side (on paper) this year and a low injury list

Our players can’t hack this sort of pressure …high expectations etc

So hopefully they just try to enjoy playing good footy and the results should take care of itself.

 

[Soapy V]

Our players can’t hack this sort of pressure …high expectations etc

So hopefully they just try to enjoy playing good footy and the results should take care of itself.

If Eagles don't apply any pressure we will thrash them. Too much talent, experience and we love open space

If the Eagles come out like they did against Lions then it could be very different