Preview 2025 Rd 5 Carlton vs West Coast Saturday 12th April 1.20PM AEST @ Adelaide Oval

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


4 changes!

 

[SurreyBlue]

If Eagles don't apply any pressure we will thrash them. Too much talent, experience and we love open space

If the Eagles come out like they did against Lions then it could be very different

Fancy being afraid of WC pressure. How far have we dropped. This will be interesting.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This line is why I've suggested a couple of times now that we shouldn't be surprised to see a few trade requests at the end of the year. It's the same thing Voss did back at the Lions resulting in purging kids every year, and ultimately the go home 5. We've been fortunate we're a big club in Melbourne so you don't normally get kids asking to leave, but I think we could be about to.

Watching vets time after time put up poor efforts get selected and backed to the hilt, while the kids and inexperienced guys get 1 game, maybe 1.5 qtrs as sub, and get immediately dropped. I hate the practice of picking kids for 1 game, let alone as the sub and then dropped. If you're only going to pick them for 1 game, don't pick them. At worst they need 2. But no, Voss will repeatedly give them 1 game, and drop them while senior heads get another go round.

Don't be surprised a few, Moir for example, request a trade if Voss is still around. It's what happened in Brisbane and he's doing the same here.

If Moir requested a trade after the last 2 years I wouldn't bat an eyelid. And not because Voss is a clown.

His fitness base is miles off VFL standard let alone AFL

 

[SurreyBlue]

If Moir requested a trade after the last 2 years I wouldn't bat an eyelid. And not because Voss is a clown.

His fitness base is miles off VFL standard let alone AFL

Genuine question as you’ve been to training - I think.
Who has taken Moir under their wing to help him?
Who is guiding him on expectation?

 

[ESKIE]

This line is why I've suggested a couple of times now that we shouldn't be surprised to see a few trade requests at the end of the year. It's the same thing Voss did back at the Lions resulting in purging kids every year, and ultimately the go home 5. We've been fortunate we're a big club in Melbourne so you don't normally get kids asking to leave, but I think we could be about to.

Watching vets time after time put up poor efforts get selected and backed to the hilt, while the kids and inexperienced guys get 1 game, maybe 1.5 qtrs as sub, and get immediately dropped. I hate the practice of picking kids for 1 game, let alone as the sub and then dropped. If you're only going to pick them for 1 game, don't pick them. At worst they need 2. But no, Voss will repeatedly give them 1 game, and drop them while senior heads get another go round.

Don't be surprised a few, Moir for example, request a trade if Voss is still around. It's what happened in Brisbane and he's doing the same here.

And if they are selected, they're not given a run at it. They're in and out of the side

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Genuine question as you’ve been to training - I think.
Who has taken Moir under their wing to help him?
Who is guiding him on expectation?

Not enough trainings of late to know and tbh I never really pay a heap of attention to that stuff while I'm there anyway.

Watched him every game in the VFL the last year and a bit and through his 17s and 18s years though. That's just part of the parcel with him atm. Huge natural talent but a horrendous tank and terrible application most games.

Had a good patch of games back end of last year before he came into the AFL side late where he really dug in and showed some fight but for the most part he's always gotten by on being freakishly talented rather than fighting tooth and claw for an opportunity.

I still have some faith he'll come good around year 3-4 (mentioned this before we drafted him) but for now he's just a work in progress and imo shouldn't be near the AFL side. Full games in the VFL would do him way more for his development.

 

[blues4flag]

Not enough trainings of late to know and tbh I never really pay a heap of attention to that stuff while I'm there anyway.

Watched him every game in the VFL the last year and a bit and through his 17s and 18s years though. That's just part of the parcel with him atm. Huge natural talent but a horrendous tank and terrible application most games.

Had a good patch of games back end of last year before he came into the AFL side late where he really dug in and showed some fight but for the most part he's always gotten by on being freakishly talented rather than fighting tooth and claw for an opportunity.

I still have some faith he'll come good around year 3-4 (mentioned this before we drafted him) but for now he's just a work in progress and imo shouldn't be near the AFL side. Full games in the VFL would do him way more for his development.

Yep. His form and fitness towards the backend of last year is better than what it is atm, which is concerning after an injury free preseason.

 

[Coops93]

Binns was a poor selection at that range, his kicking was never strong from his junior years, still now they are to non dangerous areas, struggles to compete in 50/50 situations

I think Lucas will, if not already surpass him

Like I said I was cognisant of not trying to put him up as the solution to all, just that I liked his approach. If he's not up to it then that's fine, but he certainly tries to be more creative than others which is what I was more commenting on and that style I want more of.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yep. His form and fitness towards the backend of last year is better than what it is atm, which is concerning after an injury free preseason.

Yeah he was miles better end of last year. Early last year we played him off a wing just to get his fitness base up and I wouldn't be opposed to doing the same again this season. Looks miles off it atm.

 

[Arr0w]

The mantra of plenty past successful coaches, when you bring in a kid, try to give them a block of games, but if they struggle, send them back to develop their deficiencies

We have done it with Cowan, Ollie, Binns, Lord, Lucas, Moir, etc

Some hit the ground running, others need a few stints

 

[Blueing]

If we don't win this one, just scrunch us up throw us in the bin and start again!!!

 

[Soapy V]

Genuine question as you’ve been to training - I think.
Who has taken Moir under their wing to help him?
Who is guiding him on expectation?

I've been to a lot. I can't question effort. He is putting in and working hard on fitness. It has improved

In itself that is a concern as he really struggles with repeat efforts and to do the basics. I have never seen an AFL listed player blow up as quick as he does

We all know how much ability he has and what he can do with ball in hand BUT until he can run out a game he will be a liability. For him to be successful he probably needs to just keep working hard and play games in the VFL this year and then have another pre season

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not enough trainings of late to know and tbh I never really pay a heap of attention to that stuff while I'm there anyway.

Watched him every game in the VFL the last year and a bit and through his 17s and 18s years though. That's just part of the parcel with him atm. Huge natural talent but a horrendous tank and terrible application most games.

Had a good patch of games back end of last year before he came into the AFL side late where he really dug in and showed some fight but for the most part he's always gotten by on being freakishly talented rather than fighting tooth and claw for an opportunity.

I still have some faith he'll come good around year 3-4 (mentioned this before we drafted him) but for now he's just a work in progress and imo shouldn't be near the AFL side. Full games in the VFL would do him way more for his development.

This is a big issue with me. Our leaders don’t help our draftees and if they do, not nearly enough.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This is a big issue with me. Our leaders don’t help our draftees and if they do, not nearly enough.

Based on what?

 

[Soapy V]

This is a big issue with me. Our leaders don’t help our draftees and if they do, not nearly enough.

I am not sure that's an issue Surrey. Cripps Docherty Weitering etc spend a lot of time with younger players. They have dinners, catch ups, extra training all the time. IMO our senior group and how they integrate and support younger players is very good and I have seen that first hand

Moir, as an example, is getting lots of support. He has actually improved. Issue is he's such a long way off it

 

[Soapy V]

Watched him every game in the VFL the last year and a bit and through his 17s and 18s years though. That's just part of the parcel with him atm. Huge natural talent but a horrendous tank and terrible application most games.

Serious question as I never saw him. In juniors did he play many "4 quarter" games?

A few coaches and recruiters I have spoken with over last 12-18 months have really questioned his selection because he was more a "highlights" reel than a consistent player

 

[SurreyBlue]

I am not sure that's an issue Surrey. Cripps Docherty Weitering etc spend a lot of time with younger players. They have dinners, catch ups, extra training all the time. IMO our senior group and how they integrate and support younger players is very good and I have seen that first hand

Moir, as an example, is getting lots of support. He has actually improved. Issue is he's such a long way off it

Great to hear actually. I took this to list management thread, as I didn’t want to derail this one.

 

[Chookaradley]

If we loose I've instructed the fam not to say a single word to me on the drive home from Adelaide

 

[SurreyBlue]

If we loose I've instructed the fam not to say a single word to me on the drive home from Adelaide

My family hasn’t spoken to me for a month.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Eagles by 11. I feel like we’ve already lost this game before it even started. Richmond game 2.0

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Lord dropped but blokes like Haynes McGovern Motlop keep their spots

I don’t get it

Not to mention Cripps not 100% and could do with the rest for long term benefits

Same old same old same old same old same old

 

[TheReal99prelim]

This is because Voss is useless. He can't play more mid types because he has no structure. He won't push them forward at times. In a proper structure Walsh Cripps Lord Cerra Hewett can all go forward

Look at Hawks. Play more mids and teach them how to go forward at times. Day Worpel Newcombe Nash McKenzie Ward etc all go forward at times and rotate. Structure and game style

Exactly right. Any coach with a half a (coaching) brain would develop them to rotate that way

This is why I never buy into the rubbish that player X can only play one position.

They are not coached, drilled, developed or given opportunities to be part of a multi-layered structure

A win tomorrow is akin to the Jayne Mansfield poster covering the hole in the wall at Shawshank Prison. The cracks were gone a long time ago

You never know, McQualter et al may be ready to throw some pebbles right through that "wall"

 

[bmaurizio]

Looking forward to some football success again . The next few games should give us an opportunity to regain some confidence and composure.
However at seasons end a diligent review of operations will have to be done.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

The mantra of plenty past successful coaches, when you bring in a kid, try to give them a block of games, but if they struggle, send them back to develop their deficiencies

We have done it with Cowan, Ollie, Binns, Lord, Lucas, Moir, etc

Some hit the ground running, others need a few stints

Let's make a "block" of games = 3 games

Apart from Hollands and Cowan, maybe I'm missing something but I'm pretty confident Binns, Moir, Lord and L Camporeale have not played 3 consecutve games (and while I'm in a generous mood, I'll even include sub)

I could be wrong but I don't think those 4 players have

 

[Soapy V]

Exactly right. Any coach with a half a (coaching) brain would develop them to rotate that way

This is why I never buy into the rubbish that player X can only play one position.

They are not coached, drilled, developed or given opportunities to be part of a multi-layered structure

A win tomorrow is akin to the Jayne Mansfield poster covering the hole in the wall at Shawshank Prison. The cracks were gone a long time ago

You never know, McQualter et al may be ready to throw some pebbles right through that "wall"

100%

Go look at the better sides and how many "mids" they play.

Lions - Neale, McLuggage, Berry, Ashcroft, Dunkley all spend time HF or Wing

GCS - Touk Miller and Flanders and now playing a lot forward

Swans - Warner is now playing a lot forward to help rotations

Hawks - Day Newcombe Nash Worpel Ward McKenzie


All good sides do it because a good player can play nearly anywhere if the structure is right and the role is clear. But apparently we can't fit in more than 4 mids?

We could easily play Walsh on a Wing, Docherty at HB and even Cripps forward.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

100%

Go look at the better sides and how many "mids" they play.

Lions - Neale, McLuggage, Berry, Ashcroft, Dunkley all spend time HF or Wing

GCS - Touk Miller and Flanders and now playing a lot forward

Swans - Warner is now playing a lot forward to help rotations

Hawks - Day Newcombe Nash Worpel Ward McKenzie


All good sides do it because a good player can play nearly anywhere if the structure is right and the role is clear. But apparently we can't fit in more than 4 mids?

We could easily play Walsh on a Wing, Docherty at HB and even Cripps forward.

Worse still, there are supporters who been duped into this hogwash about fixed positions