Review R6: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. GWS Giants

[rabidcrow]

Berry was a real worry...

Perfect conditions for him and didn't really show anything....

Dowling and Schoenberg have to be worth a look net week surely.

Rachelle (hopefully) for Fogarty seems logical

You keep saying it like it’s fact?
Care to say why, his DE was pretty poor and no tackles.

Nank gave away silly frees, and poor decisions at times. Needs to improve his IQ but still hasn’t played many games yet - that attempted spoil could have been a game changer

 

[CrowBloke]

Watching on tv they got away with plenty of rough play, scragging without being penalised.

I noticed that too.
Very much in line with Hardwick's "incidental punishment" techniques; eg late hits after a mark disguised as momentum bumps, weak attempts at punching the ball which end up being a hit on a player instead, general grub acts.
There's a fine line between tough/unsociable footy and cheap mongrel acts, but Richmond previously and now GCS under Hardwick and GWS under Kingsley cross that line as their default, 4-quarter play.

It suits GWS who made the AFL's chief grub their Captain, ffs.

 

[Southerntakeover]

We executed poorly but still better than they did, defended better than they did, and won the contest. And they're a good side. That's why we won the game reasonably comfortably. Not quite sure why so many of our fans look for every excuse to be so miserable.

Except no one is. Being glad we won doesn't need us to accept every ill thought out claim.

We beat them in the conditions, but come on, we know why they weren't playing free flowing all star football. The same reason we weren't.

 

[footy4ever]

Can Shaun Burgoyne be fired into the sun as a special comments commentator, think I’d rather listen to Jobe Watson.

Is sooooo bad.

 

[CrowBloke]

I thought their midfield would be better than ours but they just butchered opportunity one after the other

Kingsley dropped one, sometimes 2 spare players back to flood our Forward half (a la Geelong), which left them light on stoppages around the ground, and forward. Other posters have commented on how that backfired because:
it was compounded by Nicks (probably Davis?) adding a spare Crow to stoppages such that our stoppage/clearance work negated their forward options + Hogan was out (<== that might have been the game right there, actually, in hindsight).
Add to that Murray/Max (held Toby Grub to NO goals!)/Worrell/Keane were all good

They were like us at times - short 1-2m handballs in a circle work style that had to have a mistake made

Yeah both teams did a lot of that, to static or guarded players.

I made note that we were terrible but they were worse than us

I wasn't at the ground. On TV the conditions looked better than they actually were based on attendees' comments.
There were a lot of miskicked foot passes, more ootf than usual (my impression, I don't have stats), but more than a few missed shots @ goal were close enough not to be wind-affected. Just skill errors eg the TobyGrub miss from about 20m out was a helicopter side-kick that curled left of the goalpost.
Three or more other shots (Taylor, Dawson twice, Thilthorpe) looked on TV like kicks that went off in one direction off the boot rather than curling away because of wind.

 

[Captain Furious]

Good: Great game, love the theatre of a tight, contested slog. Good game doesn’t need to be free flowing and high scoring. Stressful watch but so are great thrillers.
Winning a different way - tight, tough, low scoring. Composed and determined in the final quarter, made me feel better about our prospects than all the other wins this year.
Max turning the tables on Toby.
The rest of the defence. Laird and Milera blanketing a damaging small forward group in conditions that suited them. The mental gymnastics people are doing to continue to hang shit on these two is starting to get embarrassing. No small forward has kicked more than 2 against us this year.
Beating a top 4 side.

Bad(ass): Hinge recovering from a couple of sporadic weeks to be outstanding. Intercept marks, putting his body on the line, 84% disposal efficiency. He might just be our barometer.

Ugly: Not subbing out a clearly injured Fog. Dumb on a bunch of levels. We didn’t need a taller forward line, wasn’t his day anyway.

5 Hinge
4 Max
3 Worrell
2 Dawson
1 Walker

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is sooooo bad.

I dont know who the channel 7 talent scout is for the AFL, but they should have been sacked a long time ago!

 

[CrowBloke]

I had a prior appointment, so wasn't able to watch the game live. Saw the score, rang a friend and he said don't bother watching the game.

I read many of the Game Day posts (live) before the game started on TV which suggested that it was a scrappy game, hard to watch.
It started on TV (delayed) about midway through the third quarter (live) but I watched anyway and liked it.
Maybe I just liked the win, ha!
We led all day and they didn't look like overrunning us, even when they got to within 8 or 9 points.

 

[CrowBloke]

It was all Davis on that one (Good move = Davis).

I got your "Davis was fetching Nicks a Diet Pepsi" dig , but I suspect this (bold, above) is true.
I can't remember Nicks ever making a tactical adjustment like that, especially one that worked.

So, if it is true:
--- what are we paying Nicks to do, and
--- when can Davis take over, formally? (asap, please)

 

[1970crow]

He was good I thought.

The metres gained stuff can be misleading. The bomb to the talls players eg Brodie Smith always end up with high metres gained, but little value imho

Milera generally tries to hit up shorter targets

Similarly players who take a lot of the kick outs and opt for the bomb the right flank option have good metres gained and it inflates their possession count.

Milera doesn't utilise either of these freebies and we're better for it I reckon, even though his numbers look worse as a result.

Thought it was his best game for the season.

Got caught holding the ball once but that was only because a quick break was slowed down by a balloon Matt Crouch handball to a stationary player which put us needlessly under the pump

3 of his 16 disposals were kick ins.

 

[dplggr47]

Good: Great game, love the theatre of a tight, contested slog. Good game doesn’t need to be free flowing and high scoring. Stressful watch but so are great thrillers.
Winning a different way - tight, tough, low scoring. Composed and determined in the final quarter, made me feel better about our prospects than all the other wins this year.
Max turning the tables on Toby.
The rest of the defence. Laird and Milera blanketing a damaging small forward group in conditions that suited them. The mental gymnastics people are doing to continue to hang shit on these two is starting to get embarrassing. No small forward has kicked more than 2 against us this year.
Beating a top 4 side.

Bad(ass): Hinge recovering from a couple of sporadic weeks to be outstanding. Intercept marks, putting his body on the line, 84% disposal efficiency. He might just be our barometer.

Ugly: Not subbing out a clearly injured Fog. Dumb on a bunch of levels. We didn’t need a taller forward line, wasn’t his day anyway.

5 Hinge
4 Max
3 Worrell
2 Dawson
1 Walker

Yeh, but Sid was also sore from his ankle knock and being the younger player, they chose to sub him off.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

9 footy show game points gave

Dawson 7
ROB 7
Whitfied 7
Tex 7

 

[dogs105]

Master-class from Davis

 

[Doctor B]

Three or more other shots (Taylor, Dawson twice, Thilthorpe) looked on TV like kicks that went off in one direction off the boot rather than curling away because of wind.

When TT was lining up for that shot on goal I looked at the flags on top of the scoreboard and three flags were blowing in different directions, the winds were swirling a lot. I think they were all struggling with their ball drop on set shots.

We went down to get some food and drinks at halftime on the western side, the wind was unbelievably strong and swirling.

 

[ams4crows]

Any more news on the Fog injury?

 

[GROTTO]

Any more news on the Fog injury?

Injury Update: Darcy Fogarty

The forward suffered a shoulder injury against the Giants

www.afc.com.au

 

[Rotayjay]

It's good to see us hold our opponents to a low score for once.

 

[CrowBloke]

When TT was lining up for that shot on goal I looked at the flags on top of the scoreboard and three flags were blowing in different directions, the winds were swirling a lot. I think they were all struggling with their ball drop on set shots.

Ah ok, that makes sense thanks .

 

[CrowBloke]

Someone in the inner circle has made a call to arms in the whatsapp group to stop going the ball and to start going the man.

Can you be more specific, please?
"inner circle" of what?
"a call to arms" to whom?

Did you take it as a call for the Crows to grub up, like Richmond and now GCS under Hardwick and GWS under Kingsley now?

 

[King Elvis]

I think most of us are pretty happy. I know I am.

That said, I am capable of varying levels of happiness, ranging from Just-Won-A-Flag level to Just-Beat-West Coast level. In all of those levels up to Won-A-Flag level I am able to do two things at the same time: be happy, and see room for improvement.

I am also able to form an opinion about whether a game was ugly or not, win lose or draw.

Right.

I'm passionate and desperately want success for our club - sometimes it might seem negative, but it's more frustration at my belief we often don't ruthlessly chase success.

We are a good team, and I believe our list can challenge for a flag - but I think we need to improve in a lot of areas (ie, selection, coaching, match day tacticsl adjustments, etc) for us to actually win one. Pre determined use of the sub ignoring the conditions and to the detriment of an injured key player is a start example.

Happy we banked the points in a crappy game yesterday, I'll be even happier if we learnt some lessons from the fortnight to strengthen our chance of success.

 

[King Elvis]

Injury Update: Darcy Fogarty

The forward suffered a shoulder injury against the Giants

www.afc.com.au

 

[arrowman]

Injury Update: Darcy Fogarty

The forward suffered a shoulder injury against the Giants

www.afc.com.au

sternoclavicular joint sprain. Yeah, as I thought at the time

 

[FR0GGY]

sternoclavicular joint sprain. Yeah, as I thought at the time

So he’ll be good to go?

 

[Carn The Texan]

9 footy show game points gave

Dawson 7
ROB 7
Whitfied 7
Tex 7

I beg your pardon

 

[Peter Doherty]

So he’ll be good to go?

Sounds like it.