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austinnn said:
Fox website suggesting Windy might be interested in another club that can offer him more minutes on the ball.

As - flippin' - If!

If Windy wants to be an inside mid, he can do that with us, god knows we need him to do that! I would be flabberghasted if Windy left, even more stunned if the Saints let him leave. I'd trade Jack Steele before I let Windy go personally.
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Doubt he leaves. We took spuds number out of retirement and gave it to him. What club is he going to get more midfield time than the saints
 
austinnn said:
Fox website suggesting Windy might be interested in another club that can offer him more minutes on the ball.

As - flippin' - If!

If Windy wants to be an inside mid, he can do that with us, god knows we need him to do that! I would be flabberghasted if Windy left, even more stunned if the Saints let him leave. I'd trade Jack Steele before I let Windy go personally.
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Windy averages the 5th most CBAs across our list (4th if excluding Harry Boyd) and has played predominantly mid most of the season. It’s not silly season yet.
 
I'd trade Jack Steele anyway if he had any takers
 
Probably his manager putting it out there for some reason. Unfortunately for Windy going back to last year the midfield looks better when he’s not in it. It’s probably because we’ve got too many of his type, might not be the case forever but it is for now.
 

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Just about had a gut full of Caroline Wilson whining re AFL fixturing Carlton v Saints on a Fri night
Whingeing it’s not Brisbane etc
FWIW you brain dead gimp we’ve had 1 Fri night game this year - this week is Spuds game. You bang on about “respect” how bout show sone heckin'g respect
If your whinge is why Carlton AGAIN on Fri ok fair enough bht leave us out of it
We scrap and scrape to survive in this comp ….get fck all crumbs off the AFL table as it is and when we get our 1 big Fri night G game you p!ss all over it ?
Fck off!
 
VFL: Sandringham to set up ‘fighting fund’ as it awaits call on alignment with Saints
With its VFL alignment with St Kilda up in the air, Sandringham is taking steps to reclaim its independence and identity as a senior football club.

The VFL fixture listed it as a Sandringham home game.
But the Zebras were not at the bay-hugging Trevor Barker Beach Oval.
They were at RSEA Park, Moorabbin and their jumper carried the St Kilda colours with the word “Sandy’’ across the front and back.
Former Sandringham player Mitch Grant saw photos from the Round 5 match against Brisbane and it’s fair to say the sight of his old club in red, white and black – and not yellow, black and blue – did nothing for him.
“It was disappointing,’’ he says.
Legendary former Sandy administrator John Mennie saw the strip too. “It made me sick,’’ he says.
The appearance of the Zebras in a St Kilda jumper and playing at Moorabbin came 48 hours after the clubs’ alignment tensions hit the news.
The Saints went to Sandy asking for future Sandringham matches to be fixtured at Moorabbin, for the Zebras to wear the St Kilda jumper and for the team to be called Sandringham Saints.
Unsurprisingly, the Sandringham board roundly rejected what it saw as a takeover, and everything points to the alignment, formed in 2009, finishing at the end of the season.
Sandy will leave it to St Kilda to make the final call.
“In protecting our 96-year history, we are adamant that we remain in our colours, play at our home ground, Wilson Storage Trevor Barker Beach Oval, and remain as the Zebras,’’ president Nick Johnstone and CEO Mark Wheeler declared in a message to members and supporters.
Sandy did agree to play three games at Moorabbin this year, but that’s as far as they will go.
If the alignment does end, leaving both clubs to field their own teams next year, it will come as a relief to more than a few past Sandy players.
Grant for one believes the club has gradually lost its identity since being linked with St Kilda and before that Melbourne.
Supporters have dropped off, there’s been little success to match the run of premierships won when the Zebras were with the Demons from 2000-2008 and few players have been drafted out of Sandringham.
Former players have stayed away. Grant saw it when a reunion was held for the 2000 seniors and reserves premiership teams. Only three players showed up.
“This might sound a bit harsh, but this is my take on it … it’s a struggle to have a culture when you’ve got half a list working towards a different goal to the other half,’’ Grant says.
“I found that in my day. The Melbourne merger possibly worked a little bit better, but still, half the guys were trying to get promoted to the seniors and from a Sandy point of view you were fighting to win a game and a premiership. It took the enjoyment out of it when blokes
weren’t fazed too much when we lost a game. It was all about how the individual performed to potentially get promoted.
“I’m a big advocate of the club going standalone. Look at what Frankston’s doing. There’s no reason Sandy couldn’t do it. They’d get a lot of local support in terms of crowds and businesses wanting to come on board. At the moment there’s a reluctance to support a club that doesn’t quite seem to have their culture right. It doesn’t resemble anything like the club us older guys used to play for.’’
Justin Crough, who won a JJ Liston Trophy with Sandringham, is among the most active past players.
Crough would be chuffed to see Sandy go back to operating as they did from 1929 to 1999, as a club reliant only on itself.
He had retired by the time the Zebras signed the first alignment deal when the VFL was revamped to take in AFL reserves in 2000.
A string of other alignments was formed, but gradually the AFL clubs opted to run their own teams.
Only St Kilda, Hawthorn (which has been with Box Hill since 2000) and Melbourne (Casey Demons) remain in alliances.
But it’s clear the Saints now want more.
“We are having a good adult conversation with them (Sandy) at the moment,’’ St Kilda CEO Carl Dilena told the Herald Sun two weeks ago.
“Our guys are very keen on the idea of having players wear St Kilda jumpers from day one and also playing home games at Moorabbin. They are the simple issues from our perspective.
“Sandringham aren’t keen on that. They want to preserve their history and jumper and play at their ground. We are open to seeing which model works and we will explore it. In parallel we are exploring a stand-alone model and that seems more likely based on our discussions.”
The Saints did attempt to bring the alignment closer when they announced late in 2023 that they would rookie-list a Sandringham player every year.
But, believing no Zebras capable of stepping up to the AFL, they didn’t go ahead with it.
Can Sandringham afford to go it alone?
The Zebras do not have a “war chest’’ to fall back on.
But in their message to members, Johnstone and Wheeler noted the club “has done very well in recent years to put itself in a strong commercial position where we do have options should change occur’’.
The Zebras believe they’ll need to raise about $400,000 more each year to put out their own VFL team, meeting the costs of appointing their own coaches (they already have development coaches in Andy Farrall and Jamie Mollo) and an increased salary cap ($110,000 to $250,000).
They also operate a VFLW side, having taken over the Southern Saints’ licence from St Kilda (Saints AFLW players feed into the Sandringham team).
The Saints pay for Sandringham coaches and also make an annual cash contribution of about $250,000.
The Sandy by the Bay social club does not have poker machines but, operating as a function centre and restaurant, it is a major source of revenue for the club, along with sponsorships.
Wheeler says the Zebras will look to establish a “fighting fund’’ to boost the bottom line.
The rift in the alignment comes at a time when the club is planning redevelopments of both buildings at Trevor Barker Beach Oval. The cost is about $4 million.
“We want to build something for the future. We want to make Sandy great again,’’ Wheeler says.
He joined the Zebras late last year after a distinguished stint with Sandringham Dragons, and he imagines the two clubs coming together to give ungrafted players a pathway from the Under 18s to senior football.
In the past few years graduating Dragons have looked more to unaligned clubs, sensing more opportunities.
Wheeler says the club has been overwhelmed with support since dismissing the Saints’ proposal.
“Every time I open my email there’s more emails saying it’s the best move we’ve ever made and we’re right behind you,’’ he says.
“It’s been all positive. We haven’t had one negative conversation about it. There’s been a massive rally-to-arms.’’
The Zebras are hoping to see more of it on Sunday, May 18, when they stage reunions for the 1985 and 2005 premiership teams.
Crough likes the idea of Sandy reclaiming their independence but wonders about the state of play with the competition.
The VFL already has 21 teams, with Tasmania to come in next year. St Kilda’s reserves would make it 23.
“What does the comp look like? There are rumours of AFL reserves coming back in 2027 or whatever it is,’’ Crough says.
“So what happens then? Is it the VFA or the VFL? There’s a lot to play out on that front too.’’
The Zebras got a glimpse of the future when they played Tasmania in an exhibition match at Launceston on Sunday, sending over a young team with no St Kilda players.
They were well beaten. But supporters who followed the game were at least happy to see the team in yellow, black and blue.
 
kosifantutti said:
VFL: Sandringham to set up ‘fighting fund’ as it awaits call on alignment with Saints
With its VFL alignment with St Kilda up in the air, Sandringham is taking steps to reclaim its independence and identity as a senior football club.

The VFL fixture listed it as a Sandringham home game.
But the Zebras were not at the bay-hugging Trevor Barker Beach Oval.
They were at RSEA Park, Moorabbin and their jumper carried the St Kilda colours with the word “Sandy’’ across the front and back.
Former Sandringham player Mitch Grant saw photos from the Round 5 match against Brisbane and it’s fair to say the sight of his old club in red, white and black – and not yellow, black and blue – did nothing for him.
“It was disappointing,’’ he says.
Legendary former Sandy administrator John Mennie saw the strip too. “It made me sick,’’ he says.
The appearance of the Zebras in a St Kilda jumper and playing at Moorabbin came 48 hours after the clubs’ alignment tensions hit the news.
The Saints went to Sandy asking for future Sandringham matches to be fixtured at Moorabbin, for the Zebras to wear the St Kilda jumper and for the team to be called Sandringham Saints.
Unsurprisingly, the Sandringham board roundly rejected what it saw as a takeover, and everything points to the alignment, formed in 2009, finishing at the end of the season.
Sandy will leave it to St Kilda to make the final call.
“In protecting our 96-year history, we are adamant that we remain in our colours, play at our home ground, Wilson Storage Trevor Barker Beach Oval, and remain as the Zebras,’’ president Nick Johnstone and CEO Mark Wheeler declared in a message to members and supporters.
Sandy did agree to play three games at Moorabbin this year, but that’s as far as they will go.
If the alignment does end, leaving both clubs to field their own teams next year, it will come as a relief to more than a few past Sandy players.
Grant for one believes the club has gradually lost its identity since being linked with St Kilda and before that Melbourne.
Supporters have dropped off, there’s been little success to match the run of premierships won when the Zebras were with the Demons from 2000-2008 and few players have been drafted out of Sandringham.
Former players have stayed away. Grant saw it when a reunion was held for the 2000 seniors and reserves premiership teams. Only three players showed up.
“This might sound a bit harsh, but this is my take on it … it’s a struggle to have a culture when you’ve got half a list working towards a different goal to the other half,’’ Grant says.
“I found that in my day. The Melbourne merger possibly worked a little bit better, but still, half the guys were trying to get promoted to the seniors and from a Sandy point of view you were fighting to win a game and a premiership. It took the enjoyment out of it when blokes
weren’t fazed too much when we lost a game. It was all about how the individual performed to potentially get promoted.
“I’m a big advocate of the club going standalone. Look at what Frankston’s doing. There’s no reason Sandy couldn’t do it. They’d get a lot of local support in terms of crowds and businesses wanting to come on board. At the moment there’s a reluctance to support a club that doesn’t quite seem to have their culture right. It doesn’t resemble anything like the club us older guys used to play for.’’
Justin Crough, who won a JJ Liston Trophy with Sandringham, is among the most active past players.
Crough would be chuffed to see Sandy go back to operating as they did from 1929 to 1999, as a club reliant only on itself.
He had retired by the time the Zebras signed the first alignment deal when the VFL was revamped to take in AFL reserves in 2000.
A string of other alignments was formed, but gradually the AFL clubs opted to run their own teams.
Only St Kilda, Hawthorn (which has been with Box Hill since 2000) and Melbourne (Casey Demons) remain in alliances.
But it’s clear the Saints now want more.
“We are having a good adult conversation with them (Sandy) at the moment,’’ St Kilda CEO Carl Dilena told the Herald Sun two weeks ago.
“Our guys are very keen on the idea of having players wear St Kilda jumpers from day one and also playing home games at Moorabbin. They are the simple issues from our perspective.
“Sandringham aren’t keen on that. They want to preserve their history and jumper and play at their ground. We are open to seeing which model works and we will explore it. In parallel we are exploring a stand-alone model and that seems more likely based on our discussions.”
The Saints did attempt to bring the alignment closer when they announced late in 2023 that they would rookie-list a Sandringham player every year.
But, believing no Zebras capable of stepping up to the AFL, they didn’t go ahead with it.
Can Sandringham afford to go it alone?
The Zebras do not have a “war chest’’ to fall back on.
But in their message to members, Johnstone and Wheeler noted the club “has done very well in recent years to put itself in a strong commercial position where we do have options should change occur’’.
The Zebras believe they’ll need to raise about $400,000 more each year to put out their own VFL team, meeting the costs of appointing their own coaches (they already have development coaches in Andy Farrall and Jamie Mollo) and an increased salary cap ($110,000 to $250,000).
They also operate a VFLW side, having taken over the Southern Saints’ licence from St Kilda (Saints AFLW players feed into the Sandringham team).
The Saints pay for Sandringham coaches and also make an annual cash contribution of about $250,000.
The Sandy by the Bay social club does not have poker machines but, operating as a function centre and restaurant, it is a major source of revenue for the club, along with sponsorships.
Wheeler says the Zebras will look to establish a “fighting fund’’ to boost the bottom line.
The rift in the alignment comes at a time when the club is planning redevelopments of both buildings at Trevor Barker Beach Oval. The cost is about $4 million.
“We want to build something for the future. We want to make Sandy great again,’’ Wheeler says.
He joined the Zebras late last year after a distinguished stint with Sandringham Dragons, and he imagines the two clubs coming together to give ungrafted players a pathway from the Under 18s to senior football.
In the past few years graduating Dragons have looked more to unaligned clubs, sensing more opportunities.
Wheeler says the club has been overwhelmed with support since dismissing the Saints’ proposal.
“Every time I open my email there’s more emails saying it’s the best move we’ve ever made and we’re right behind you,’’ he says.
“It’s been all positive. We haven’t had one negative conversation about it. There’s been a massive rally-to-arms.’’
The Zebras are hoping to see more of it on Sunday, May 18, when they stage reunions for the 1985 and 2005 premiership teams.
Crough likes the idea of Sandy reclaiming their independence but wonders about the state of play with the competition.
The VFL already has 21 teams, with Tasmania to come in next year. St Kilda’s reserves would make it 23.
“What does the comp look like? There are rumours of AFL reserves coming back in 2027 or whatever it is,’’ Crough says.
“So what happens then? Is it the VFA or the VFL? There’s a lot to play out on that front too.’’
The Zebras got a glimpse of the future when they played Tasmania in an exhibition match at Launceston on Sunday, sending over a young team with no St Kilda players.
They were well beaten. But supporters who followed the game were at least happy to see the team in yellow, black and blue.
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Every week Saints players don Sandringham colors.
One week it goes opposite and supporters feel sick.
**** em.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Every week Saints players don Sandringham colors.
One week it goes opposite and supporters feel sick.
**** em.
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ThomasR said:
It's all subjective but AFL rating points have him 37th with a rating of 3.6. Was his lowest rating of the year (apart from the sub game where he still managed a 2.2).

Funnily enough Tobie's game (0) was deemed better than Shai Bolton's (-1.8).
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That does not make any sense. Garcia was heavily involved. 37th AFL wide or just our game?

"Lies, damn lies and statistics" is right enough.

I've got some "advice" for Corbin Middlemas:

Try making a name for yourself in the game or at least in punditry before you pour shade on a player. Garcia did not ask to be centre of attention, nor did anyone at the club. Some peanuts in the media decided to try and create some drama at St Kilda because they want Ross Lyon taken down a peg or ten. Garcia similarly didn't ask to be nominated for the RS. I'm sure he doesn't give a shit, and Ross Lyon certainly told us how he felt about individual accolades in the pre-game presser today.

The only thing Garcia can control is his performance, and if he was rated 37th on the ground, then the ratings system needs an overhaul:

10 tackles
10 kicks
9 handballs
8 contested possessions (despite no CBAs)

If stats are not enough, just ask Serong and Bolton how Hugo Garcia should be rated.

The best players on that ground were probably MacRazy, Wilkie, Sharman and Owens, none of whom were eligible for an RS nom. The whole team played their part but Hugo was part of the midfield that rendered Freo's highly rated midfield impotent and useless.

I didn't watch Trainor or the other bloke he suggested, but they'd have to have some games to beat the impact that Hugo had, and - yeah sure lets go there - after a week where he had plenty of attention and would have been embarrassed by his performance, it takes a fair bit of character to serve that up afterwards.

But Corbin "Who?" Middlemas implying that Hugo got that nomination out of sympathy for being benched early in the last game is some embarrassing bedwetting shit that assumes that he felt mistreated my RTB or that he wasn't that good against the Dockers, both less convincing that your Real Estate Agent Just Back From Bali look - which is deeply unconvincing. I might as well imply that you only got your little TV spot because you've been mouth-fluffing the Fox Footy programme manager all week.

And claiming it wasn't a shot and dressing it up as "advice" is the weakest shit ive ever seen, and I've been watching Carlton AND Essendon 2000 - present.

TL DR Don't be a dickhead, Corbin
 
I had hoped that Wheeler would turn Sandy around, but to OUR benefit. I would hate for the alignment to fall apart and THEN for Sandy to get their shit together.

Maybe it's for the best, I think with the people we've got in the big chairs at our club currently, Saints have never been better placed to go it alone in the VFL.

A perhaps stupid question for those who know: how do AFL sides with stand-alone seconds teams in the VFL fill their list? Do these players have the right to get games in our AFL side?
 
austinnn said:
I had hoped that Wheeler would turn Sandy around, but to OUR benefit. I would hate for the alignment to fall apart and THEN for Sandy to get their shit together.

Maybe it's for the best, I think with the people we've got in the big chairs at our club currently, Saints have never been better placed to go it alone in the VFL.

A perhaps stupid question for those who know: how do AFL sides with stand-alone seconds teams in the VFL fill their list? Do these players have the right to get games in our AFL side?
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re your question. if Sants go alone, we still have no rights to palyers. we might develop them, coach them nurture them, but any club can take them
 
austinnn said:
Fox website suggesting Windy might be interested in another club that can offer him more minutes on the ball.
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Classic agent move for an out of contract player. I’m sure the agent’s already spoken to every other club and none are super excited so to justify his existence he gets the media to say shit about it. AFL media are lazy so always just write whatever agents give them.
 

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sammm said:
re your question. if Sants go alone, we still have no rights to palyers. we might develop them, coach them nurture them, but any club can take them
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That is correct but we control everything.

Look Im a lifelong Sandringham supporter.
Some of my fondest memories as a kid
playing kick to kick with Robert Harvey and whatever saints players showed up to watch them on a Sunday.
Was a great way to interact with AFL players as a kid during the early 90s
I got to sit in the coaches box as a 6 year old with Trevor Barker a couple of times.
Cherish the moments its sad how fragile the situation is.

But as a Saints supporter we need to go solo. We need to control the narrative
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Every week Saints players don Sandringham colors.
One week it goes opposite and supporters feel sick.
**** em.
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I don’t blame them. That’s their team, it bothers me when St Kilda ditch the red white and black for something else.

I see this as a win win situation. Sandringham get their team back, and St Kilda get their own VFL side. I have no interest in Sandringham, but I might pay more attention to the VFL if it’s our seconds.
 
DougalHoward said:
I'd trade Jack Steele anyway if he had any takers
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You'd be better to keep him as depth and hope he can return to form. You'd get FA for him. I thought he played well last week. Real selfless hard working game. Perhaps his days of being our best player are long gone but if he's in our best 10 he has a role. When the kids push him aside he can push out to depth.

We should be selling the vision to guys like Windy and Hugo and have a clear plan laid out for him.
 
austinnn said:
That does not make any sense. Garcia was heavily involved. 37th AFL wide or just our game?

"Lies, damn lies and statistics" is right enough.

I've got some "advice" for Corbin Middlemas:

Try making a name for yourself in the game or at least in punditry before you pour shade on a player. Garcia did not ask to be centre of attention, nor did anyone at the club. Some peanuts in the media decided to try and create some drama at St Kilda because they want Ross Lyon taken down a peg or ten. Garcia similarly didn't ask to be nominated for the RS. I'm sure he doesn't give a shit, and Ross Lyon certainly told us how he felt about individual accolades in the pre-game presser today.

The only thing Garcia can control is his performance, and if he was rated 37th on the ground, then the ratings system needs an overhaul:

10 tackles
10 kicks
9 handballs
8 contested possessions (despite no CBAs)

If stats are not enough, just ask Serong and Bolton how Hugo Garcia should be rated.

The best players on that ground were probably MacRazy, Wilkie, Sharman and Owens, none of whom were eligible for an RS nom. The whole team played their part but Hugo was part of the midfield that rendered Freo's highly rated midfield impotent and useless.

I didn't watch Trainor or the other bloke he suggested, but they'd have to have some games to beat the impact that Hugo had, and - yeah sure lets go there - after a week where he had plenty of attention and would have been embarrassed by his performance, it takes a fair bit of character to serve that up afterwards.

But Corbin "Who?" Middlemas implying that Hugo got that nomination out of sympathy for being benched early in the last game is some embarrassing bedwetting shit that assumes that he felt mistreated my RTB or that he wasn't that good against the Dockers, both less convincing that your Real Estate Agent Just Back From Bali look - which is deeply unconvincing. I might as well imply that you only got your little TV spot because you've been mouth-fluffing the Fox Footy programme manager all week.

And claiming it wasn't a shot and dressing it up as "advice" is the weakest shit ive ever seen, and I've been watching Carlton AND Essendon 2000 - present.

TL DR Don't be a dickhead, Corbin
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Shut down an elite mid while playing well himself. He can't stick his stats up his arse. We played one on one footy and he beat his elite opponent.

 
jwikked said:
That makes sense, but we need to be mature enough as a football team to tell him he has to play in the VFL when his form warrants it.

I don't care if he's captain.
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He's not done yet. I'm pretty sure Lyon isn't going to let sentiment get the better of him.
 

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marcus1232 said:
That is correct but we control everything.

Look Im a lifelong Sandringham supporter.
Some of my fondest memories as a kid
playing kick to kick with Robert Harvey and whatever saints players showed up to watch them on a Sunday.
Was a great way to interact with AFL players as a kid during the early 90s
I got to sit in the coaches box as a 6 year old with Trevor Barker a couple of times.
Cherish the moments its sad how fragile the situation is.

But as a Saints supporter we need to go solo. We need to control the narrative
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Its blatantly obvious that both clubs will be much better off leaving the alignment. You simply cant have two clubs pulling in different directions expecting an alignment to work. Sandringham want to continue to play in the VFL and if they raise the funds and get a separate licence good luck to them.

We are basically paying or supplying everything other than the top up players, the benefits in the Saints having their own team far outweighs the extra financial costs. From a St Kilda perspective we should have had our own VFL side from the outset, but unfortunately we couldnt afford it. We are now in a much more sound financial position so its a no brainer for our club.

I can understand the die hard Sandringham supporters thinking the same, so hopefully they survive and continue their long history.
 
I’m heartened to see the mainstream is finally starting to grow a set and are beginning to criticise the afl where they warrant it.
Not too heavy just yet mind you, they haven’t fully dropped yet but little pokes are emerging of the nga, f/s and the heavily compromised joke of a draft.
The inequity of the draw.
The joke of a tribunal system.
The inequity of marquee games.
Even a slight little poke at free agency.
The ball is starting to roll and I can see a major overhaul coming as the fat cats in the afl become threatened.
Thanks to rtb and Bass I reckon.
 
austinnn said:
I had hoped that Wheeler would turn Sandy around, but to OUR benefit. I would hate for the alignment to fall apart and THEN for Sandy to get their shit together.

Maybe it's for the best, I think with the people we've got in the big chairs at our club currently, Saints have never been better placed to go it alone in the VFL.

A perhaps stupid question for those who know: how do AFL sides with stand-alone seconds teams in the VFL fill their list? Do these players have the right to get games in our AFL side?
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They recruit , like Sandringham do, and No they don't.
( Unless given special dispensation , like when West Coast ran out of players , didn't afl lists get reduced during covid )?

So StKilda tip in $250 000 to Sandringham each year that they will need to replace with more than hot air.
It seems that the Saints also pay the coaches. So Sandy are looking at $400 000 extra revenue each year. ( non-aligned clubs get a bigger cap ).

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So to stand alone.
We save $250 000 annually and no change to coaching costs.
Salary Cap is $110 000.
Can the facilities at Moorabbin be used? If so it could almost save money.

Recruiting will be the hard part, but no harder than at Sandringham.
There are 36 non-Saints at Sandy, if Saints VFL was the same it means you can only pay an average of $3000 o_O
Non-aligned clubs have a higher cap and higher list size, so if they were to pay most of their list the same $3000, they would then have $100 000 to play with to get some stars.

If the club was to share the facilities, allowing VFL players to share facilities with VFL players and possibly even access the staff to an extent, perhaps even some combined training sessions , could that be an incentive for ambitious young players without breaching a cap, or does it contravene the AFL's "train with " rules?
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SaintsSeptember said:
They recruit , like Sandringham do, and No they don't.
( Unless given special dispensation , like when West Coast ran out of players , didn't afl lists get reduced during covid )?

So StKilda tip in $250 000 to Sandringham each year that they will need to replace with more than hot air.
It seems that the Saints also pay the coaches. So Sandy are looking at $400 000 extra revenue each year. ( non-aligned clubs get a bigger cap ).

-------------------------------------

So to stand alone.
We save $250 000 annually and no change to coaching costs.
Salary Cap is $110 000.
Can the facilities at Moorabbin be used? If so it could almost save money.

Recruiting will be the hard part, but no harder than at Sandringham.
There are 36 non-Saints at Sandy, if Saints VFL was the same it means you can only pay an average of $3000 o_O
Non-aligned clubs have a higher cap and higher list size, so if they were to pay most of their list the same $3000, they would then have $100 000 to play with to get some stars.

If the club was to share the facilities, allowing VFL players to share facilities with VFL players and possibly even access the staff to an extent, perhaps even some combined training sessions , could that be an incentive for ambitious young players without breaching a cap, or does it contravene the AFL's "train with " rules?
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Cost them close to half a mil per year or more just to not wear saints colours and play at an objectively worse oval. Sillyness.
 

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