Autopsy 2024 Rd 11 Leaders let Blues down in season defining loss to Giants

[CarmenSandiego]

You don't want one bloke carrying the midfield- the best thing Voss has done with Cripps is play him forward more often.

Carlton is losing a lot of games because the collective team football IQ is very low.

It’s a tough conversation but we played our best footy when Cripps was hampered - playing down forward with bursts in the middle - ala Dangerfield role.

It’s not a knock on Cripps, the only way Cripps knows how to play is basically batshit, see ball-get ball and let me do it all. It makes our other mids go into their shells and they’ll never step up.

again it’s not a knock on him, nor is it even his fault - he knows no other way to play. But it’s detrimental to the team at the moment and if we’re to develop any other mids - or get the best out of Walsh & Cerra, then they need to have responsibility. Cripps taking it all on doesn’t help their cause.

 

[RPCB]

Good to see a poor crowd…stop going…stop buying memberships

Yep, I've already decided not to renew for next year. In fact I am only subbing this year to Kayo whenever we have a Kayo game on but I don't think I will bother next month (Norf and WC games are on Kayo). Why bother watching easy wins against shit sides when I know that it means **** all. Will be the first games I miss in years, if I decide to save some money and just not watch at all. What a shame this is what it's gotten to.

 

[95blues]

Let’s break it down….and look at tge numbers..

We kicked 12.10 which isnt great but doesn’t scream we lost cause we kicked poorly

Our forwards aren’t too bad at set shots.

I’m more concerned with the quality of our f50?entries.

We are more quantity than quality.

All that effort moving tge balL up tge ground to only dump kick it in there

We build and build but fail to finish off our hard work.

I wonder how often we do drills at training and preseason to practice ball movement and f50 entries??

My suspicion is we don’t.

How can this many professional afl players in our team all have poor kicking skills ?? It’s not realistic.

A while ago i went back and read scouting reports on all our players.

Almost universally - "Huge tank, runs all day, tends to get under the ball, not damaging by foot". Or different variations of the same things.

Can it be coached to fix those things? Probably? The only player ive ever seen really go from rubbish by foot to "good" was Carazzo. Most stay the same.

The club went safe, built for culture and behaviour. Also built the list around years of being bullied physically with a compketely different HTB interpretation.

 

[macky99]

Captains make players around them better - he burns players. Captains are on field coaches - he isnt.

What rubbish Cripps has carried this team for several years, players around him have gone backwards.

 

[Moon]

Time to watch Hawthorn v Brisbane to see how footy should be played.

You watching Carlton ? Voss?

 

[Juddrockz]

How many goals does Weitering want to give up or poor contesting. Drill your opponent
Major culprits are the big $ earners not fronting up to earn their paycheck on output.
Bad kicking at goal causes losses, again.
Red time goals hurt.
Poorly skilled players.
Durdin non-existent out there.
Motlop, trade/delist rather than persevering.
Jordan Lewis, please don't call CFC games again, dreadful voice/commentator.

Was at the game,Weiters dropped 3 marks in the first 10 minutes then decides" oh shit,I may need to put some Grippo on my hands" then got some off the runner. A little too late.
He had a terrible game Hogan knew what to do and ran him ragged. Running him all over the ground,off course Weiters couldn't keep up with him.
And then in the last quarter Weiters has the chance to rush the ball through for a behind and has a brain fade then aswell costing another goal.
What the he'll has happened to him along with all the senior players these past few weeks???

 

[Accidental genius]

Q2 was 1.5.

The two middle quarters - 4.8.

There's the game, not to mention two dozen deplorable turnovers...

Agree goal kicking is key but watching our team week in week out the sorts of issues I’m talking about can’t be dismissed.

I also agree with others that we need better players.

Particularly some good small forwards. What we have are very average.

 

[flaggers05]

My view is that the biggest problem Carlton have with the list is low footy IQ. Good players knwo how to play within their limitations and how to get the most out of each other and play for each other. I watch Carlton and it becomes obvious that there is far far too much one out going on.

How much of this is a coaching criticism / fault and how much is players I dont know - but there is an overlap.

Big call re Cripps.

Somewhat agree that like Judd, he isnt a team lifter. More of a "f it i'll do it myself".

Good Captain, maybe just not the right type. He inspires players to watch him, not follow him.

If the team around him isn’t up to the challenge, which clearly they aren’t. What choice does Crippa have? The best midfielder we have and arguably in the comp. He is the least of our problems. We are lucky to have him.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Time to watch Hawthorn v Brisbane to see how footy should be played.

You watching Carlton ? Voss?

Voss busy prepping for his presser and working out what garbage he can feed supporters this week.

Be shocked if he is still around in 2026.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

What rubbish Cripps has carried this team for several years, players around him have gone backwards.

How are blokes meant to develop & step up when someone takes it upon themselves to carry them?

Cripps is a bona fide superstar but if we’re going to move forward and contend, we need to move past him being our superhero.

JAB is right, we need him as an on field coach more. Which he can do as mobile 3rd tall fwd with bursts in the middle. It will prolong his career as well.

 

[V23]

Are people seriously defending Motlop in here? Been given way too many chances and would be in the bottom 15 players in the AFL, with little scope for improvement.

 

[Soapy V]

We have holes in our list and some average players but how many are playing anywhere near their best on a consistent basis?

Do people seriously believe we are getting anywhere near the best from this side?

I said it Rd one. Sides pick us apart. We rely on individual talent over any system. We are poorly drilled

We are slow and keep picking a tall side?

It’s the same things all the time yet nothing changes

Makes it hard to have Hope

 

[Juddrockz]

Just kick it long to Charlie or Harry. Trust me it'll work eventually.

And it doesn't cross their minds to lead in opposite directions??? Just bloody mind boogling!

 

[Sam The Doc]

Time to watch Hawthorn v Brisbane to see how footy should be played.

You watching Carlton ? Voss?

Probably avoid the Zorko kick in

 

[kreuze_missile]

I also agree with others that we need better players.

Particularly some good small forwards. What we have are very average.

Name one of our small forwards who is average?

None of them would get picked by either of the sides playing on the MCG right now.

I'd settle for average. But they don't even deserve that.

 

[branedotorg]

You can’t be serious.. Man bleeds blue and carried our midfield like Judd did before him. The only Brownlow medallist we have but yeah. Terrible player

I do believe he is or was our best player but he and Voss are leaders and have a big say on the game plan.

I don't think I can judge his era as captain as a successful one, despite all the individual awards it generated.

I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as JAB but I do favour some change next season and the senior players are as accountable as the coaches imo.

 

[Juddrockz]

When Motlop flew in the last quarter against out talls instead of being on the ground where a small forward should be sums him up.

I thought Motlops role was a small forward? I was at the game an saw something that was quite funny. At a few stages of the game Leer was on him,Leer would lead for the incoming ball and Motlop was chasing him from behind. What the he'll is that???

 

[katmanblue]

 

[David Sylvian]

Oh well got the bye over early….

 

[Accidental genius]

A while ago i went back and read scouting reports on all our players.

Almost universally - "Huge tank, runs all day, tends to get under the ball, not damaging by foot". Or different variations of the same things.

Can it be coached to fix those things? Probably? The only player ive ever seen really go from rubbish by foot to "good" was Carazzo. Most stay the same.

The club went safe, built for culture and behaviour. Also built the list around years of being bullied physically with a compketely different HTB interpretation.

Maybe but as an example when you watch Walsh kick the ball his technique isn’t trash.

Cerra is a beautiful kick.

Hewetts kicks are loopy/lofty but not necessarily wayward.

Lord kicks good.

Cripps although looks awkward he is generally accurate.

Acres and doc can often be wayward.?

I think there is enough kicking skills there.
I’m questioning decision making and composure.

Two things i believe can be coached or at least coached to minimise the errors.

Our team needs an elite small and another dynamic mid …really unfortunate about jagga.

 

[RJCrawf]

How are blokes meant to develop & step up when someone takes it upon themselves to carry them?

Cripps is a bona fide superstar but if we’re going to move forward and contend, we need to move past him being our superhero.

JAB is right, we need him as an on field coach more. Which he can do as mobile 3rd tall fwd with bursts in the middle. It will prolong his career as well.

Sorry, can't buy this. I agree sometimes Cripps takes a bit too much on but I can't accept the notion he's taking opportunities from others to develop and step up.

Cripps is a superstar but is still just one man trying his guts out with every opportunity he gets while the rest of the team are getting a boatload of opportunities to step up over the course of a game (hell, a season) and aren't taking them. They're professional footballers, that's on them.

Crippa's style of play is just plainly and simply at the very very bottom of a long list of problems at this club. I can pretty confidently bet that if you fix even half the problems above that one on the list, Crippa's style of play will become a plus instead of a negative.

 

[flaggers05]

I do believe he is or was our best player but he and Voss are leaders and have a big day on the game plan.

I don't think I can judge his era as captain as a successful one, despite all the individual awards it generated.

I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as JAB but I do favour some change next season and the senior players are as accountable as the coaches imo.

He is or was? Please tell me who is better? Which mid do we have that is better than him? Who asserts themselves on a game like he does? Man played through injuries, poor team performances and multiple coach changes yet ranked best in the league. I see some crazy stuff get thrown around this forum but pot shorting crippa is wild.

 

[Soapy V]

I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as JAB but I do favour some change next season and the senior players are as accountable as the coaches imo.

Whilst I agree IMO the Senior players and the Coaches are on a different page

This is just one issue that has been festering underneath for a long while now

 

[Wickzki]

I wouldn't want to play for Cripps - he is a big problem at Carlton - not the biggest though....the blokes on a Million at Carlton aren't leaders - they aren't on field coaches and never will be apart from Weitering.

Pretty much on the same page as you, though maybe not as brutal in my take last week. Still, I reckon you're spot on.

Your captain’s gotta step up and lead with their voice.

If you’re not a big talker—and let’s be honest, he’s never been that guy—then you’ve gotta lead by example. Set the bloody standard. Do the team thing consistently because your actions lead the way.

The way he ignored a wide-open Ollie Hollands and burned him today summed it up.

Two of our best in their roles—Cripps in the guts, Curnow up forward—too often go for the hero play instead of setting the tone for their positions and the team.

If Cripps wasn’t skipper, I’d cop it. Every team - including successful ones - have hero ball players. But we’re screaming for leadership, and our leaders are too locked in to shake things up.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

JSOS stands out to me as our obvious choice for Capt.