List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[True Believer]

Both SA clubs have nothing to offer. We won't get his value from either for an uncontracted player. Best case from Port is a future first which probably a finals side and a player like Bergman who is a GOP who can't kick or if we could convince Butters that he should come to us a straight swap or what ever he gets in a trade gets handed over to us. If that's the Dogs picks in the mid 20s. Adelaide a couple of FRDPs in the 20s.

There is no way we win out of the trade IMO.

Both would have to involve third parties, that's usually the path through top end trade deals.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[jwikked]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

 

[tomjoad]

This is a weird take from Caro - did someone bother to let her know that Jase Burgoyne is also still out of contract? That’s hardly selling a vision of hope, in addition to everything else going on at that joint.

Caro will say anything to make the Saints look weak, unattractive, and inept. Her wrung out dishcloth face absolutely despise us.

 

[Miha]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

I think we’ll end up doing just that tbh

 

[botts]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

We will do what ever we have to

 

[pebblesofsand]

The recent reports said 12.5 for example Here

I wouldn't make a 7 year offer to a tall guy with questionable durability (we've already got a similar contract on the books- King). But in the AFL environment, to be competitive in the market place nowadays, unfortunately long-term offers are necessary.

I'd be looking at $6 mil over 5 years. Something like that.

With $2 mil in 2026, assuming that uses the 105%. Then $1 mil per year 2027 - 2030.

I'd also be talking to Rowan Marshall and gaining an assurance from him that he'd stay. Before making an offer to De Koning.

You won't need to worry about talking to Marshall because TDK won't be leaving Carlton for 5 × $1.2M.

History shows that players don't leave "big" clubs to go to small clubs for just a little bit extra.

In fact it goes the other way - they will take less money to move from smaller clubs to bigger clubs.

Welcome to "SaintsWorld" aka ............reality

 

[ScrappyDo]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

Yep. Seems silly.

 

[stavro#4]

This is real and there is mutual interest.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Unfortunately I've had to skip the last half a dozen pages. Is there anything super crucial I've missed out on?

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Not sure we can get upset at the club if Nas leaves…. Pretty sure they’d be telling his agent we’ll pay more than whatever offer comes in from outside.

 

[snails13]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

They also said Saints would better it

 

[Saints43]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

Same. 9 year deal.

Honestly, if Nas signed an eight year deal... jeepers.

 

[CHBench]

If Adelaide are throwing around offers like that, what are they trading to us to get it done?

 

[aussierulesrules]

I understand but dissagree. It reminds me of line when we got hill. Well he’s available , and we struggle to bring in talent. So let’s overpay ‘trade wise’

Well I was very strongly against getting Hill- at both the cost of his contract and especially his trade cost (which I thought was exorbitant, and it’s certainly turned out to be)- but this has a lot more going for it, because there is no trade cost.

We also do genuinely need help for Ro, as his body doesn’t seem to be playing ball much these days, and that may only get worse from here, and it’s been very hard for clubs to land AFL standard ruckmen in recent years. As we’ve found.

His ruckwork also leaves a lot to be desired, so our midfield may genuinely benefit from this.

I also don’t really agree that it breaks a ‘hoodoo’ considering how many guys from other teams we have. Anyways it sounds like he’s gonna be coming so hopefully he fulfills his taient

I’m talking about someone that’s considered a “big fish”. Everyone is laughing at us because we’ve had all these swings and misses at guys we’ve offered big contracts to, and the more times that happens, the more you get seen as the ugly guy that no girl wants to date, which alone makes other girls not want to date you.

Somewhat like how getting Malcolm Blight (also on a huge contract) made us an attractive destination for Gehrig, Hamill, Lawrence, Capuano etc.

Had we not signed Blight, G-Train and Hamill in particular probably don’t come, and Hamill transformed our training standards, while Frase won a Coleman or two and put a lot of bums on seats.

I’m not married to the idea, as I think we could afford to wait until we’re playing better footy- so that we can then attract guys of his ilk without having to overpay them so much- but it could also work out very well, depending on how the dominoes fall, once he does sign (if he does).

The promise of a guy like him coming would also likely make a guy like Nas (and Pou) more excited about the idea of sticking around. It would surely be a selling point for them to stay.

 

[aussierulesrules]

That’s very good news if the Adelaide clubs are only offering him that much. That’s less than Mac Andrew and LDU reportedly signed for to stay AT THEIR OWN CLUBS!

You don’t normally need to offer as much to get someone to stay as you do to get them to leave their current club (all things being equal), so if we match their offers, we’re already going above and beyond what you normally need to do.

$1.2mil could be a serious bargain in 8 years time.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Unfortunately I've had to skip the last half a dozen pages. Is there anything super crucial I've missed out on?

****en heaps

 

[Joffaboy]

We matched Battle as well

As for Walsh, not sold on him, andhas a bad back.
We are back to the 80's being Carlton dumping ground.
Take LDU, and Walsh, might as well go GSOS to go with Carroll, Dow, Stocker and Caminiti, because, you know, Carlton have been the powerhouse of the competition....well back.in the 20th century anyway

 

[jumperfan]

If Adelaide are throwing around offers like that, what are they trading to us to get it done?

According to them it’ll be Sam Berry and their first rounder lol

 

[Diehard Saint]

I’m surprised we’re merely matching it, instead of beating it.

Who says we aren’t?
Just means we’ll match it at a minimum.

 

[StCicatriz]

asked chat gpt about liam henry. it worries me now:
It’s fair to say something isn’t right with Liam Henry’s knee right now — and you’re not imagining the drop-off.


Here’s a reasoned guess based on what's publicly known and what usually happens with this type of injury:

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Likely Scenario (Inferred)​

• Cartilage damage requiring surgery in 2024 usually means articular cartilage, not meniscus — and that’s a serious red flag in AFL terms.
• Articular cartilage doesn’t regenerate well, and post-op rehab is long and unpredictable. Even with surgery (e.g., microfracture or MACI), athletes often lose burst and agility.
• Henry’s strength was his explosiveness and evasiveness — if he’s looking slow or hesitant, it could be:
  • Ongoing pain or swelling
  • Loss of trust in the knee (psychological block)
  • Actual reduction in physical capability

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Educated Guess: Moderate to Severe Cartilage Degeneration​

• If he’s back on the field but can't accelerate or change direction like before, it's likely:
  • He’s managing chronic swelling or stiffness
  • Or his surgical outcome didn’t fully restore joint function

In AFL terms, this can be career-limiting unless managed extremely carefully (think Dayne Beams

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Dayne Beams

Age

36

Ht

187cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.6

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

3.6

5star

CL

4.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

, Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

Age

32

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

early years).

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Prognosis​

• Short term (2025): Don’t expect peak form this year; he’s likely on a modified load to just stay on the park.
• Medium term: If things don’t improve, you may see:
  • Further time off mid-season
  • Debates about whether he can hold a spot
• Long term: He may need to reinvent his role — more outside, less cutting — or face persistent setbacks.

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Bottom line: His knee is probably worse than the club has disclosed, and his performance drop strongly suggests he's either not fully recovered — or is carrying a degenerative issue that limits explosiveness. Time will tell if it's manageable or career-altering.

 

[Atomboy]

This is real and there is mutual interest.

Yeesh, what would you have to give up to satisfy the Blues ??.

 

[StCicatriz]

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hardly the first ones. tom lynch's sister joined richmond 12 months out.

 

[StCicatriz]

A mate of mine is very good mates with Jase Burgoyne and asked him about NAS. Apparently Jase thinks nas is going to stay despite him trying his best to get him over there.

i'd love Jase at our club. he looks like he's going to have a very good long career!

 

[TheJackal]

If Walsh rumours are true, that would be incredible. In a 'down year', he is averaging 25.5 touches and 5.3 tackles having played every round.

Hard to believe he is only 24, but he is just what we are after. An elite mid who can actually mid.